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Come on man, do you really think we are going to ink a fighter deal this year or even next year or even after that?

If the IAF insists on 114 MRFA, it'll likely get nothing. But if it is pragmatic and wants another 36 or 48 Rafales OTS, it is possible for a deal to be signed. Navy was smart, and trimmed the number to 26 instead of 54, knowing that 54 would never get approved. Now they'll choose 1 type and likely see the GoI moving into negotiations next year.

But anyway, the argument that just because the IAF has 36 Rafales it is not worthy of a thread to discuss is bogus.
 
If the IAF insists on 114 MRFA, it'll likely get nothing. But if it is pragmatic and wants another 36 or 48 Rafales OTS, it is possible for a deal to be signed. Navy was smart, and trimmed the number to 26 instead of 54, knowing that 54 would never get approved. Now they'll choose 1 type and likely see the GoI moving into negotiations next year.

But anyway, the argument that just because the IAF has 36 Rafales it is not worthy of a thread to discuss is bogus.
This is the 2nd thread and one more MMRCA thread is there. So anything reasonable has been already discussed to death.
 
This is the 2nd thread and one more MMRCA thread is there. So anything reasonable has been already discussed to death.

Rafales are operational in the IAF, and the tip of the IAF's spear. So what's wrong in wanting to discuss about it?

MMRCA, MRCA, MRFA is another topic altogether with a bunch of other airplanes involved as well.

 
Rafales are operational in the IAF, and the tip of the IAF's spear. So what's wrong in wanting to discuss about it?

MMRCA, MRCA, MRFA is another topic altogether with a bunch of other airplanes involved as well.
What else substantial or actual happening is remaining to be discussed?
 
. Rafale reach mach 1.6 with 2 x 2000 liters external tanks (yet called subsonic tanks...).

you live in Rafale la la land Mach 1.6 with 2 x 2000 liter subsonic drop tanks. Dude check yourself into a mental hospital.
 
you live in Rafale la la land Mach 1.6 with 2 x 2000 liter subsonic drop tanks. Dude check yourself into a mental hospital.
You speak as a noob.
I come with evidence : http://rafalefan.e-monsite.com/pages/dossier-rafale-avionique/performances.html
"Selon Air Fan n°297, les bidons de 2000 litres ont été testés dans les domaines transsoniques et supersoniques (configuration à 2 bidons). Confirmé en 2008 dans "Rafale en Afghanistan". " use google translate.

It was tested in 2006, to answer to some that said the bird was under powered....
 
You speak as a noob.
I come with evidence : http://rafalefan.e-monsite.com/pages/dossier-rafale-avionique/performances.html
"Selon Air Fan n°297, les bidons de 2000 litres ont été testés dans les domaines transsoniques et supersoniques (configuration à 2 bidons). Confirmé en 2008 dans "Rafale en Afghanistan". " use google translate.

It was tested in 2006, to answer to some that said the bird was under powered....

Rafale reach mach 1.6 with 2 x 2000 liters external tanks (yet called subsonic tanks...).

from your source citing Air Fan n°297
  • Avec 2 bidons de 2000 litres et 4 AASM, la vitesse semble limitée à 1000 km/h (source "Rafale en Afghanistan" - Avril 2008).

is this a collection of your fantasies ? Are you Air Fan n°297? by the way 1000 km/ h is 0.8 M not M1.6. So even if the collection of fantasies you posted is to be believed - the Rafale cannot hit M.1.6 with two 2,000 liter drop tank when it's limited to 1,000 km/ hr by the FCS while carrying 2 x 2,000 liter tanks according to your source.

Go see a doctor and stop wasting my time.
 
from your source citing Air Fan n°297
  • Avec 2 bidons de 2000 litres et 4 AASM, la vitesse semble limitée à 1000 km/h (source "Rafale en Afghanistan" - Avril 2008).

is this a collection of your fantasies ? Are you Air Fan n°297? by the way 1000 km/ h is 0.8 M not M1.6. So even if the collection of fantasies you posted is to be believed - the Rafale cannot hit M.1.6 with two 2,000 liter drop tank when it's limited to 1,000 km/ hr by the FCS while carrying 2 x 2,000 liter tanks according to your source.

Go see a doctor and stop wasting my time.
With 4 AASM and 2 2000L tanks the speed SEEMS limited to....
AASM can't go supersonic.

In 2006, in France a Rafale flew in full reheat at mach1,6 with 2 x 2000 L tanks. It's a fact. You belive me, nice. You don't, I don't care.

But it's probably too complicated to understand from a average american brain always thinking USA is über alles (as the admiral Rickover, saying from the french developpement of sub launch deterrent missile : "impossible ! it was too hard for us so for them... " ).
 
With 4 AASM and 2 2000L tanks the speed SEEMS limited to....
AASM can't go supersonic.

In 2006, in France a Rafale flew in full reheat at mach1,6 with 2 x 2000 L tanks. It's a fact. You belive me, nice. You don't, I don't care.

But it's probably too complicated to understand from a average american brain always thinking USA is über alles (as the admiral Rickover, saying from the french developpement of sub launch deterrent missile : "impossible ! it was too hard for us so for them... " ).

arrêt, there is a reason it's called subsonic 2,000 liter tank. The hint is in the word SUBSONIC.
 
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First image of an IAF Rafale pilot wearing an Elbit Targo HMDS..from an IAF presentation by ACM VR Chaudhari

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Much better quality seen here at the 3:50 mark

 
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IAF need more 4.5 gen fighter (ie Rafale)

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Last of the first 36 Indian Rafale to arrive in 1 month.


I read somewhere that Dassault has not fulfilled any of the ToT terms in the contract.

Did India blacklist Dassault yet or shall we say Modi does not have the balls? :D

Indian agencies ignored millions paid in kickbacks in Rafale deal: report​

French media reports Dassault paid almost 13m euros to middlemen to help secure sale of fighter jets to India



News DeskNovember 09, 2021

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Indian media on Tuesday published reports regarding a fresh political controversy over the Rafale deal as evidence pointed out that Indian agencies ignored allegations that French company Dassault, the maker of the Rafale jets, may have paid millions of euros to "middlemen".
French portal Mediapart has reported that Dassault paid almost 13 million euros to middleman Sushen Gupta between 2002 and 2012 to help secure the sale of Rafale fighter jets to India.

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Indian agencies failed to investigate these allegations despite having access to incriminating documents on at least some of these payments, NDTV reported.
Read more: French judge tasked with investigating Rafale fighter jet sale to India
"Now NDTV has found more documents that show that in 2019, three years after India signed the Rafale deal, central agencies, including the CBI, were alerted to possible kickbacks paid by Dassault, yet they failed to act on the allegations. Such allegations could have led to a blacklist of Dassault under Indian laws," the report stated.
It said that the documents form part of the CBI's charge-sheet on alleged corruption in the sale of 12 AgustaWestland helicopters to top leaders in India. "They include a statement by Dheeraj Aggarwal, then manager of IT services company IDS, who in 2019 told the CBI that Dassault routed money to Sushen Gupta's Mauritius-based shell firm Interstellar through IDS."
It was reported that the payment period spans the NDA government under Prime Minister Atal Bihari Vajpayee, which was in power till 2004, and the UPA, which came to power right afterwards.
Despite including this testimony in its court filings, the CBI did not initiate a probe against the company, it added.
According to Indian laws, a company can be suspended or banned if it "resorts to corrupt practices," "unfair means" or "illegal activities" during any period of the bidding and negotiations.
Meanwhile, a minister in the Indian state of Maharashtra demanded that the Centre should investigate claims made by the French portal.
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"A lot of news regarding Rafale has been coming in the French media. I think the way the news is coming the government should investigate the matter. We demand an investigation by the government," said Maharashtra Cabinet Minister Nawab Malik.
The 7.8-billion euro ($9.3 billion) deal for 36 planes between the Indian government and French aircraft manufacturer Dassault has long been mired in corruption allegations.
Dassault had initially won a contract in 2012 to supply 126 jets to India and had been negotiating with Indian aerospace company Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL).
By March 2015, those talks had almost reached a conclusion, according to Dassault. But in April of that year, after Modi paid an official visit to France, the talks suddenly broke down to general surprise.
Reliance Group, which has no experience in aeronautics, later replaced HAL and finalised a new contract for 36 jets.
France’s Le Monde newspaper also revealed that France in 2015 cancelled a 143.7-million euro tax adjustment targeting a French firm belonging to Reliance, at the time when the deal was being negotiated.

 
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