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[Taygibay]

Yes, agreed in return Pic! I was indeed giving it as a mere clue.
If the split is SFC served first and regular sqdns later, Bs fit best.

Salut, Tay.

 

[randomradio]

Under MMRCA, the plan called for 12 single and 6 dual seaters per 18 planes squadron.

GN, Tay.

I agree with your post, and it's a good indication. But we don't know what will be the use of this 36 first planes. It seems that MODI was able to ask for them without the Parikar agreement because it was for SFC. In this case perhaps India will ask for more dual seaters.

Original plan was 12 and 6, but that's changed. Now we don't know. It's because IAF decided to induct single seat FGFAs compared to the earlier plan which was only for the two seat version. So the importance for two seat Rafales has only increased.

I won't be surprised if 50% or more of the fleet will consist of Bs.

 

[newindiandefence]

Indian cancelled deal of rafale was about 30 billion for 126 .. how should we use this money??????
Rafael ....30......126


F35.........$7billion......... 40
F16v.......$9billion......... 90
Mig35.....$4billion.........100
Pakfa.....$10billion........100 russian
Total......320
Or
F35.........7.......... 40
rafale......8......... 36
Mig35.....5........ 124
Pakfa.....10........100
Total......300

Or
F35.........7.......... 40
rafale......8......... 36 f16v........5......... 50
Pakfa.....10........100
Total......226

Indian cancelled deal of rafale was about 30 billion for 126 .. how should we use this money??????
Rafael ....30......126


F35.........$7billion......... 40
F16v.......$9billion......... 90
Mig35.....$4billion.........100
Pakfa.....$10billion........100 russian
Total......320
Or
F35.........7.......... 40
rafale......8......... 36
Mig35.....5........ 124
Pakfa.....10........100
Total......300

Or
F35.........7.......... 40
rafale......8......... 36 f16v........5......... 50
Pakfa.....10........100
Total......226

I prefer 36 rafale, 40 f35, Mig35 124,Pakfa Russian current 100..

Original plan was 12 and 6, but that's changed. Now we don't know. It's because IAF decided to induct single seat FGFAs compared to the earlier plan which was only for the two seat version. So the importance for two seat Rafales has only increased.

I won't be surprised if 50% or more of the fleet will consist of Bs.

l cancelled deal of rafale was about 30 billion for 126 .. how should we use this money??????
Rafael ....30......126


F35.........$7billion......... 40
F16v.......$9billion......... 90
Mig35.....$4billion.........100
Pakfa.....$10billion........100 russian
Total......320
Or
F35.........7.......... 40
rafale......8......... 36
Mig35.....5........ 124
Pakfa.....10........100
Total......300

Or
F35.........7.......... 40
rafale......8......... 36 f16v........5......... 50
Pakfa.....10........100
Total......226

I prefer 36 rafale, 40 f35, Mig35 124,Pakfa Russian current 100..

Then future fighters of iaf ...

Hindustan

Suprsukhoi. 320 (2020)
Rafael......... 36 (2020)
Tejas1a...... 120 (2020)
Mig35mki.... 124 (2020)
Pakfa.......... 100 (2020)
F-35 Israel. 40 (2025)
Fgfa............ 147 (2025)
Amca......... 250 (2030)

 

[surya kiran]

Indian cancelled deal of rafale was about 30 billion for 126 .. how should we use this money??????
Rafael ....30......126


F35.........$7billion......... 40
F16v.......$9billion......... 90
Mig35.....$4billion.........100
Pakfa.....$10billion........100 russian
Total......320
Or
F35.........7.......... 40
rafale......8......... 36
Mig35.....5........ 124
Pakfa.....10........100
Total......300

Or
F35.........7.......... 40
rafale......8......... 36 f16v........5......... 50
Pakfa.....10........100
Total......226


I prefer 36 rafale, 40 f35, Mig35 124,Pakfa Russian current 100..





I prefer 36 rafale, 40 f35, Mig35 124,Pakfa Russian current 100..

Then future fighters of iaf ...

Hindustan

Suprsukhoi. 320 (2020)
Rafael......... 36 (2020)
Tejas1a...... 120 (2020)
Mig35mki.... 124 (2020)
Pakfa.......... 100 (2020)
F-35 Israel. 40 (2025)
Fgfa............ 147 (2025)
Amca......... 250 (2030)

Good morning.

 

[R!CK]

Indian cancelled deal of rafale was about 30 billion for 126 .. how should we use this money??????
Rafael ....30......126


F35.........$7billion......... 40
F16v.......$9billion......... 90
Mig35.....$4billion.........100
Pakfa.....$10billion........100 russian
Total......320
Or
F35.........7.......... 40
rafale......8......... 36
Mig35.....5........ 124
Pakfa.....10........100
Total......300

Or
F35.........7.......... 40
rafale......8......... 36 f16v........5......... 50
Pakfa.....10........100
Total......226


I prefer 36 rafale, 40 f35, Mig35 124,Pakfa Russian current 100..





I prefer 36 rafale, 40 f35, Mig35 124,Pakfa Russian current 100..

Then future fighters of iaf ...

Hindustan

Suprsukhoi. 320 (2020)
Rafael......... 36 (2020)
Tejas1a...... 120 (2020)
Mig35mki.... 124 (2020)
Pakfa.......... 100 (2020)
F-35 Israel. 40 (2025)
Fgfa............ 147 (2025)
Amca......... 250 (2030)

Add to that jaguar, mirage and Mig29 and we have a zoo.

Good Day!

 

[[Bregs]]

French weapons supplier to Rafale, Scorpene under scanner for Rs 21 crore donation to NGO

A series of donations worth Rs 21 crore by a French arms company — the key weapons provider to Scorpene submarine and Rafale jets — to an Indian NGO have come under the scanner after income-tax raids on a New Delhi-based consultant in June. The donations, earmarked for mobile medical units in Punjab and Rajasthan, were apparently made under the corporate social responsibility (CSR) programme of MBDA, the French arms manufacturer. Senior officials involved with investigations told ET that the matter has been referred to intelligence agencies for further probe. These officials spoke on the condition they not be identified. “We are awaiting a detailed report before deciding on the next step,” said an official. The Scorpene deal with India is already in controversy after sensitive data on the Indian programme found its way into an Australian daily last week. The NGO in question is Advantage India and its prominent backer is Deepak Talwar, a corporate consultant. The income-tax conducted searches on Talwar’s premises on June 22 following certain mentions in an earlier search on defence consultant Sanjay Bhandari. MBDA has justified the donations, saying that there were only one part of several CSR activities in India which include scholarships for graduates and support for academic institutions. Officials said agencies were alerted on a tranche of money received from the French arms company from 2012-13. Incidentally, FCRA licence of the NGO — under which foreign contributions are allowed — was renewed in April. The government has been actively scrutinising foreign contributions, seeking to find the purpose and destination of millions of dollars flowing in from foreign sources. Several NGOs have been asked to explain the purpose of the funds and FCRA licenses have also been cancelled. The spokesperson for his NGO Advantage India Sanjay Mittal however confirmed that money was received from MBDA as part of its CSR fund. “We have nothing to hide. The NGO have been filing its FCRA and Income Tax details regularly. This was the first project with MBDA and they were very satisfied with our work which was primarily in health, education sectors and livelihood to underprivileged.” Mittal said. When contacted, Talwar refused to comment on the issue. “I have nothing to say”, he told ET. Responding to queries from ET, MBDA said that the contributions were made for a concrete health care initiative and the funds given have been audited and declared to Indian authorities according to the law. “Based on a concrete action plan, MBDA funded Advantage India to provide increased access to health care (free of cost) through Mobile Medical Units at village level and to promote health care through awareness generation about the preventive measures against diseases,” the company said. It added that it has two other CSR initiatives, a scholarship program for aeronautical specialists and a design and development support plan for courses at Hindustan University (Chennai). “”In the frame of our longstanding partnership with India, MBDA decided some years ago to invest into India’s future through some CSR programs,” an MBDA spokesperson said.

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com...rore-donation-to-ngo/articleshow/53951881.cms

 

[BON PLAN]

See this also

future fighters of sum countries combined population don't match india

1. Turkey
F-35..... 60-90 (2025)
Tfx ...... 60-90 (2035)

2. Egypt
Rafael....24-36 (2020)
Mig-35.. 50-70 (2020)

3. Saudi Arab
F-15......86-170 (2016)
Typoon.. 60-80 (2016)

4. Oman
Typoon...12-24 (2020)

5. UAE
F-16e.....70-90 (2016)
Rafael,,Typoon (2024)

6. qatar
F-15......30-40 (2018)
Rafael...24-36 (2020)

7. Indonesia
Su30.......16-20 (2014)
Tfx.......... 40-60 (2030)

8. Iran
Su30....100-150 (2022)

9. Kuwet
Fa18......32-36 (2017)
Typoon..24-36 (2020)

Pakistan - j 31
Malaysia- 39gripen
This is varaitty....
Almost every type of fighter jets...

No Mig 35 in Egypt. Mig 29M instead.
No Eurofighter in UAE : technically not suitable (the Rafale was economically not suitable in 2011.... not the same thing)
F15 in Qatar? first news. specially in 2018.

French weapons supplier to Rafale, Scorpene under scanner for Rs 21 crore donation to NGO

A series of donations worth Rs 21 crore by a French arms company — the key weapons provider to Scorpene submarine and Rafale jets — to an Indian NGO have come under the scanner after income-tax raids on a New Delhi-based consultant in June. The donations, earmarked for mobile medical units in Punjab and Rajasthan, were apparently made under the corporate social responsibility (CSR) programme of MBDA, the French arms manufacturer. Senior officials involved with investigations told ET that the matter has been referred to intelligence agencies for further probe. These officials spoke on the condition they not be identified. “We are awaiting a detailed report before deciding on the next step,” said an official. The Scorpene deal with India is already in controversy after sensitive data on the Indian programme found its way into an Australian daily last week. The NGO in question is Advantage India and its prominent backer is Deepak Talwar, a corporate consultant. The income-tax conducted searches on Talwar’s premises on June 22 following certain mentions in an earlier search on defence consultant Sanjay Bhandari. MBDA has justified the donations, saying that there were only one part of several CSR activities in India which include scholarships for graduates and support for academic institutions. Officials said agencies were alerted on a tranche of money received from the French arms company from 2012-13. Incidentally, FCRA licence of the NGO — under which foreign contributions are allowed — was renewed in April. The government has been actively scrutinising foreign contributions, seeking to find the purpose and destination of millions of dollars flowing in from foreign sources. Several NGOs have been asked to explain the purpose of the funds and FCRA licenses have also been cancelled. The spokesperson for his NGO Advantage India Sanjay Mittal however confirmed that money was received from MBDA as part of its CSR fund. “We have nothing to hide. The NGO have been filing its FCRA and Income Tax details regularly. This was the first project with MBDA and they were very satisfied with our work which was primarily in health, education sectors and livelihood to underprivileged.” Mittal said. When contacted, Talwar refused to comment on the issue. “I have nothing to say”, he told ET. Responding to queries from ET, MBDA said that the contributions were made for a concrete health care initiative and the funds given have been audited and declared to Indian authorities according to the law. “Based on a concrete action plan, MBDA funded Advantage India to provide increased access to health care (free of cost) through Mobile Medical Units at village level and to promote health care through awareness generation about the preventive measures against diseases,” the company said. It added that it has two other CSR initiatives, a scholarship program for aeronautical specialists and a design and development support plan for courses at Hindustan University (Chennai). “”In the frame of our longstanding partnership with India, MBDA decided some years ago to invest into India’s future through some CSR programs,” an MBDA spokesperson said.

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com...rore-donation-to-ngo/articleshow/53951881.cms

Another attack against french (more European than French) company....

 

[[Bregs]]

Govt must hurry and up and seal the rafales deal now lest the vested interests will leave no stone unturned to spoil this deal

 

[PARIKRAMA]

French weapons supplier to Rafale, Scorpene under scanner for Rs 21 crore donation to NGO

A series of donations worth Rs 21 crore by a French arms company — the key weapons provider to Scorpene submarine and Rafale jets — to an Indian NGO have come under the scanner after income-tax raids on a New Delhi-based consultant in June. The donations, earmarked for mobile medical units in Punjab and Rajasthan, were apparently made under the corporate social responsibility (CSR) programme of MBDA, the French arms manufacturer. Senior officials involved with investigations told ET that the matter has been referred to intelligence agencies for further probe. These officials spoke on the condition they not be identified. “We are awaiting a detailed report before deciding on the next step,” said an official. The Scorpene deal with India is already in controversy after sensitive data on the Indian programme found its way into an Australian daily last week. The NGO in question is Advantage India and its prominent backer is Deepak Talwar, a corporate consultant. The income-tax conducted searches on Talwar’s premises on June 22 following certain mentions in an earlier search on defence consultant Sanjay Bhandari. MBDA has justified the donations, saying that there were only one part of several CSR activities in India which include scholarships for graduates and support for academic institutions. Officials said agencies were alerted on a tranche of money received from the French arms company from 2012-13. Incidentally, FCRA licence of the NGO — under which foreign contributions are allowed — was renewed in April. The government has been actively scrutinising foreign contributions, seeking to find the purpose and destination of millions of dollars flowing in from foreign sources. Several NGOs have been asked to explain the purpose of the funds and FCRA licenses have also been cancelled. The spokesperson for his NGO Advantage India Sanjay Mittal however confirmed that money was received from MBDA as part of its CSR fund. “We have nothing to hide. The NGO have been filing its FCRA and Income Tax details regularly. This was the first project with MBDA and they were very satisfied with our work which was primarily in health, education sectors and livelihood to underprivileged.” Mittal said. When contacted, Talwar refused to comment on the issue. “I have nothing to say”, he told ET. Responding to queries from ET, MBDA said that the contributions were made for a concrete health care initiative and the funds given have been audited and declared to Indian authorities according to the law. “Based on a concrete action plan, MBDA funded Advantage India to provide increased access to health care (free of cost) through Mobile Medical Units at village level and to promote health care through awareness generation about the preventive measures against diseases,” the company said. It added that it has two other CSR initiatives, a scholarship program for aeronautical specialists and a design and development support plan for courses at Hindustan University (Chennai). “”In the frame of our longstanding partnership with India, MBDA decided some years ago to invest into India’s future through some CSR programs,” an MBDA spokesperson said.

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com...rore-donation-to-ngo/articleshow/53951881.cms

Govt must hurry and up and seal the rafales deal now lest the vested interests will leave no stone unturned to spoil this deal

Its expected that such attacks would continue.. The beauty is the fact that MBDA is a weapons supplier but not a direct entity. The direct entity which should make people bothered is Rafale International comprising of Dassault Aviation, Thales and Safran.

Now since Meteor and Mica are MBDA products, the whole thing is superimposed into Rafales and and then connected to Scorpene as well.

TBH if i remember correctly MBDA has French (Airbus 37.5%), UK (BAE 37.5%) and Italian (leonardo/finmeccanica 25%) shareholding. Its true Leonardo wanted to exit and Airbus wanted to buy that stake as well.

It would be interesting how anti France and Anti Rafales/Anti DCNS etc will increase such news items but no one points out that GOI is not even bothered by all these wild accusations. For them if there is a irrefutable proof they will cancel all deals but if there is no proof its business as usual.

Let DM MP return, you will hear some good news soon.. As i said Q3/Q4 are marked for payments and hence its time now to declare the intent. and DM Mp already has some more pressure.. See here

Lets just say he said fighter "aircraft" not "aircrafts".. Singular not plural.. so which one is in pole position to do that when the likes of all others have not even entered into exclusive negotiations at all. The only one waiting is the Dassault and for strategic partnership part.. Everything is ready..

Its basically clearing the way for the formal announcement ....

 

[[Bregs]]

Lets just say he said fighter "aircraft" not "aircrafts".. Singular not plural.. so which one is in pole position to do that when the likes of all others have not even entered into exclusive negotiations at all. The only one waiting is the Dassault and for strategic partnership part.. Everything is ready..

Its basically clearing the way for the formal announcement ....

well bro i sincerely hope n pray that this single aircraft do not turn out to be 1970's-80's F-16 but Rafale

 

[BON PLAN]

well bro i sincerely hope n pray that this single aircraft do not turn out to be 1970's-80's F-16 but Rafale

99% done. F16 was a very nice plane, if ordered 15 years ago, but its time is now over.

 

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[Sri]

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http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...PMO-for-final-review/articleshow/53964866.cms

 

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I wish he said something we didn't already know?

1. Offsets worth atleast 3 billion. So even if contract is for 10 billion and offset is 5 billion, hes not wrong. lol

2. Deal between 7.5-7.89 B Euros. Yet his math is so weak he had to estimate offsets as atleast 3 billion.

3. Weapon includes Meteor. Only a moron would buy a rafale without Meteor.

P.S: Thanks @PARIKRAMA as always

Good Day!

 

[BON PLAN]

P.S: Thanks @PARIKRAMA as always

as ever.