Dassault Rafale, tender | News & Discussions [Thread 2]

[Blue Marlin]

It should be like that but it is likely not happening this deal around.

Primo, when a deal is pulling a bigger one, things get complicated.
Secundo, the deal has indeed already reached the stage where not much
can change less the parties end up truly disagreeing and talks break up.
The noise about savings is mostly aimed at the internal market of Indians
so they can get their fix of how great negotiators they believe they are and
also to put MP in a favorable light.
Tertio and that is the variable that I trust you were looking for, the internal
politics of France have now taken over on our end. With the elections coming
in the Spring, Hollande will be very interested in signing and considering how
low his popularity / chances of reelection are, it may push over the edge ( AKA
make him say yes where he should hold fast ) if he deems the resulting news
useful or necessary.
And since this is a govt to govt deal ( where Dassault is but a contractor ), he could.

Honestly, this is a weapon for the Indian side but one with an expiration date.
Once the elections have come and gone, the winners will have different views.
In the least likely scenario, Président Le Pen amy balk at signing altogether.
If, just as unlikely, the Gauche /LEFT remains in power, the French team will have
reached the point you described.
And in the most likely possibility of a Classic Right majority, it will depend on their
leader and the team that forms around him. It could go either way but the pressure
to sign will be significantly lessened with only the strategic partnership keeping it up.

Another potential client decided to wait for 2017 a few months back and they're just
as shrewd as the Indians. And a quick reaction in the most likely case would be ...
well, most likely! It could set the Indian order down to fourth place.

That's your context.
Great day to you and yours, Tay.

indeed there is nothing left but the final hurdle, the french have done their part and its upto the indians to do theirs and sign on the dotted line. he french election may push the hollande to bend a bit more and get a bit to show for.

who the mystery client

 

[Taygibay]

who the mystery client

Decrypt as in 2001 A Space Odyssey :


T.Z.D.

​

Tay.

 

[Blue Marlin]

Decrypt as in 2001 A Space Odyssey :


T.Z.D.

​

Tay.

damn you! it is the uae? malaysia,
i doubt its the saudis.
god no, is it pakistan?

 

[Taygibay]

damn you! it is the uae?

You didn't get the Kubrick reference? HAL in the movie?

 

[Spectre]

You didn't get the Kubrick reference? HAL in the movie?

HAL was a psychopath, France beware..

 

[Taygibay]

LOL He/it was also a front at least by name for a corp known as Big Blue!

Tay.

 

[Spectre]

LOL He/it was also a front at least by name for a corp known as Big Blue!

Tay.

Poor IBM! All the conspiracy theories and hate by apples and googles...Now apple and google are the new IBM.

Or is it the case of greatest trick ever by pulled by devil..?

 

[Blue Marlin]

You didn't get the Kubrick reference? HAL in the movie?

im not a movie guy. so it is the uae.

 

[Taygibay]

Spectre :
Nah, it was of course the sole responsibility of Arthur C. Clarke for having
written the novel thus with this deliberate name choice.

But he wasn't as you let guess aiming at IBM except inasmuch as they then
represented _the machine / the machines / Skynet_ and the loss of humanity.

Read you later, take care, Tay.

Blue : HAL -the computer's name in the film- was IBM with each letter replaced
by the one immediately preceding it in the alphabet. I followed suite here .
The real pun was that HAL means something else entirely in the Indian context.

So yes ...

 

[randomradio]

Another potential client decided to wait for 2017 a few months back and they're just
as shrewd as the Indians. And a quick reaction in the most likely case would be ...
well, most likely! It could set the Indian order down to fourth place.

I think the delivery timeline for the IAF Rafales is locked even if another contender wants to sign up before India.

The delivery time of all 36 Rafales is 3 years. So the last Rafale should reach India by 2019. At least this was the plan. Initially it was just 2 years, but Trappier argued it was not possible, so it was changed to 3.

 

[Taygibay]

As I did not mention deliveries in that quote nor at all,
it was quite useless to tag me and mention it, wasn't it?

I'm sorry but that's the nature of my problem with you.
If you ever stop answering the thoughts that my posts
invoked as pretexts conflate in your mind and only con-
sider the facts, you'll probably find we agree at times.

Have a good day in any case but no need for tags, Tay.

 

[randomradio]

As I did not mention deliveries in that quote nor at all,
it was quite useless to tag me and mention it wasn't it?

I'm sorry but that's the nature of my problem with you.
If you ever stop answering the thoughts that my posts
invoked as pretexts conflate in your mind and only con-
sidered the facts, you'd probably find we agree at times.

Have a good day in any case but no need for tags, Tay.

You said some other country could push India down to fourth place. I argued it is irrelevant if someone else signs before us because what matters more is who gets their jets earlier, not who signs earlier.

Had you not brought up the fourth place thing, I wouldn't have replied to your post. So your shrewd clients are not going to do much by signing earlier.

 

[Ankit Kumar 002]

Ok anybody , on how many of the first 36 is planned to be twin seaters ?

 

[Taygibay]

Under MMRCA, the plan called for 12 single and 6 dual seaters per 18 planes squadron.

GN, Tay.

 

[Picdelamirand-oil]

Under MMRCA, the plan called for 12 single and 6 dual seaters per 18 planes squadron.

GN, Tay.

I agree with your post, and it's a good indication. But we don't know what will be the use of this 36 first planes. It seems that MODI was able to ask for them without the Parikar agreement because it was for SFC. In this case perhaps India will ask for more dual seaters.