DAMAGE ASSESMENT - 1971 INDO-PAK NAVAL WAR

[pursuit of happiness]

@Darth Vader on pak establsihemt propoganda

 

[Darth Vader]

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dear you on off topic...
we can discuse this in sepraete thread not this... as per MOD and rules
i can give you many poster it will not validate my claim..
leave psoter give link with crediable source

General Chuck Yeager and the Pakistan Air Force

 

[pursuit of happiness]

General Chuck Yeager and the Pakistan Air Force

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i alredy read tht ...
my queston is speficr in term of 1971

 

[Alphacharlie]

Speechless - Can Never forget this, still makes me think
PNS Zulfiqar a Frigate - Fratricide !!

Gentlemen in War we have losses, But how on EARTH Fatricide of a Frigate..
Where were S.O.Ps on IFF,ATC Verficiation could have been brought in
where was the Red Book

I remember in 1971 US P3As and P2Vs flying from Bandar Abbas AirBase and doing Recce on Indian Navy Fleet, all Intel was being passed to PN.

All Indian Navy Ships Especially the Air Craft Career was Scrutinised. No Intention for Ill-will but Fratricide of a Naval Frigate could only mean :-
a) too Much Panic or
b) Incompetent Joker pressing the Red Button could have given a Warning Call Sign on RT atleast. Else he was keen on A Medal on his punjabi chest.

Poorest Example of Coordination in Between Sister services. Am Sorry But this is Reality.

 

[GORKHALI]

General Chuck Yeager and the Pakistan Air Force

Who is Chuck Yeager ?Isn't this guy lost his beloved beechCraft due to Indian air attack on chkaala airbase .

 

[manojb]

@danger007, you do realise the first chart is of operations in Eastern sector where the single PAF squadron of F-86s was grounded within 24 hours of hostilities due to runway damaged, thus leaving no opposition to the IAF or IN to operate with impunity, aircraft attacking slow defenceless gunboats must be a great moral boaster and ironically but not surprisingly there's no mention of PAF's strike on Indian Naval Base Okha......which incidentally burned for two days.

5 December, 1971
During the night of 4 December 1971, Indian Osa missile boats attacked the Pakistan Navy, hitting a destroyer, PNS Khyber and a minesweeper, PNS Hafeez, to the southeast of Karachi. The Indian missile boats were a very serious threat not only to the Navy but also to other Pakistani ships in the Arabian Sea and in the Karachi harbour. Pakistan retaliated by causing extensive damage through a single B-57 attack on Indian naval base Okha. The bombs scored direct hits on fuel dumps, ammunition dump and the missile boats jetty. The missile boat attacks on Pakistani naval installations ceased thereafter. Flight Lieutenant Shabbir A Khan piloted the B-57 mission while Flight Lieutenant Ansar navigated it.
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It must've been great moral booster when paf bombed poor dumb immobile fuel dump @Okha.. Eh?
Even greater moral booster event for paf must be sinking of anchored frigate pns zulfiqar.

 

[Windjammer]

This is complete annihilation.



please give some credible source, not from some propaganda website.

Would the Indian source which claimed six PAF Mirages and Ten Starfighters destroyed, yet hasn't produced anything to evidence than a couple of F-104s, satisfy your ego....none the less here's Indian version

The Indian Official History of 1971 Indo-Pak War notes that, “two air attacks were also carried out on Okha and some fuel tanks were set ablaze, thereby denying the missile boats any further use of this port as a forward base.”[6]

 

[danger007]

@danger007, you do realise the first chart is of operations in Eastern sector where the single PAF squadron of F-86s was grounded within 24 hours of hostilities due to runway damaged, thus leaving no opposition to the IAF or IN to operate with impunity, aircraft attacking slow defenceless gunboats must be a great moral boaster and ironically but not surprisingly there's no mention of PAF's strike on Indian Naval Base Okha......which incidentally burned for two days.

5 December, 1971

During the night of 4 December 1971, Indian Osa missile boats attacked the Pakistan Navy, hitting a destroyer, PNS Khyber and a minesweeper, PNS Hafeez, to the southeast of Karachi. The Indian missile boats were a very serious threat not only to the Navy but also to other Pakistani ships in the Arabian Sea and in the Karachi harbour. Pakistan retaliated by causing extensive damage through a single B-57 attack on Indian naval base Okha. The bombs scored direct hits on fuel dumps, ammunition dump and the missile boats jetty. The missile boat attacks on Pakistani naval installations ceased thereafter. Flight Lieutenant Shabbir A Khan piloted the B-57 mission while Flight Lieutenant Ansar navigated it.
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A leaf from history: When the war began - Newspaper - DAWN.COM


I hope you read it as well.. attack on okha isn't severe as IN attack on Karachi...

 

[Sliver]

I am waiting on an interesting debate.. please do not derail the thread with talks about morale etc. limist the discussion to war losses only - maybe you can take the morale and importance of each target into a different list?

 

[danger007]

Would the Indian source which claimed six PAF Mirages and Ten Starfighters destroyed, yet hasn't produced anything to evidence than a couple of F-104s, satisfy your ego....none the less here's Indian version

why you are going off topic when the thread is subjected to navy ..

 

[Darth Vader]

Who is Chuck Yeager ?Isn't this guy lost his beloved beechCraft due to Indian air attack on chkaala airbase .

1st Human to break sound barrier , One of the Very best Air men lived on this Earth .....

 

[jaunty]

That was utter humiliation!

 

[Koovie]

@danger007, you do realise the first chart is of operations in Eastern sector where the single PAF squadron of F-86s was grounded within 24 hours of hostilities due to runway damaged, thus leaving no opposition to the IAF or IN to operate with impunity, aircraft attacking slow defenceless gunboats must be a great moral boaster and ironically but not surprisingly there's no mention of PAF's strike on Indian Naval Base Okha......which incidentally burned for two days.

5 December, 1971
During the night of 4 December 1971, Indian Osa missile boats attacked the Pakistan Navy, hitting a destroyer, PNS Khyber and a minesweeper, PNS Hafeez, to the southeast of Karachi. The Indian missile boats were a very serious threat not only to the Navy but also to other Pakistani ships in the Arabian Sea and in the Karachi harbour. Pakistan retaliated by causing extensive damage through a single B-57 attack on Indian naval base Okha. The bombs scored direct hits on fuel dumps, ammunition dump and the missile boats jetty. The missile boat attacks on Pakistani naval installations ceased thereafter. Flight Lieutenant Shabbir A Khan piloted the B-57 mission while Flight Lieutenant Ansar navigated it.
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Which had absolutely no effect on the outcome of the naval blockade. Not a single container of supplies reached East Pakistan.

 

[danger007]

Would the Indian source which claimed six PAF Mirages and Ten Starfighters destroyed, yet hasn't produced anything to evidence than a couple of F-104s, satisfy your ego....none the less here's Indian version

the point is outcome of Pak raids and Indian raids ...... you said one squadron is grounded due to run way damage ... you didn't told us, how the run way get damaged ... etc...

 

[Juggernautjatt]

Who is Chuck Yeager ?Isn't this guy lost his beloved beechCraft due to Indian air attack on chkaala airbase .

Chuck Yeager's beechcraft was destroyed by Naval Lieutenant (Later Admiral) Arun Prakash with 30 mm cannons fired from his Hawker Hunter. Admiral Arun Prakash an carrier-qualified on the Armstrong-Whitworth Sea Hawk pilot was on deputation with IAF No. 20 Squadron (The Lightnings) during 71 war.