Daesh leader threatens attacks in Turkey & Saudi Arabia, but not in Iran!

[Islamic faith&Secularism]

And you haven't done any of that. All you have given is an opinion even though I gave proof from Pentagon that Iran was among the first to go to war against ISIS. And that the Israelis want the ISIS to survive as a buffer against Iran. Israel would never have said that if Iran and ISIS were allied.

ISIS is fighting the Hezbollah also. What do you have to say for that?

Watch from 3:20. Look at what the Hezb soldier says to the ISIS terrorist during a truce.

At 4:05 he is accusing the ISIS's leaders Saudi and Qatar. Haha.

4:17 is even more revealing. ISIS and Iran are enemies.

6:40 ISIS's weapons are coming in from Saudi and Qatar.

You have no answer for why Hezb and Syria who are allied to Iran are fighting ISIS. But at the same time the Saudis are not fighting ISIS anywhere. And you have the audacity to say ISIS and Iran are allied.

http://www.newsweek.com/war-between-hezbollah-and-isis-lebanon-404244

It's very simple and clear cut. The Saudis created ISIS so they can go to war against Iran as a Saudi proxy. The Israelis are happy because the ISIS is now fighting the Syrian govt, Iranians and Hezbollah, all enemies of Israel. And Israel and Saudi are allied in this entire charade.

http://www.dailysabah.com/columns/y...-new-alliance-of-stability-in-the-middle-east

http://fpif.org/israel-saudi-arabia-strange-bedfellows-new-middle-east/

Hilarious.

It seems you forgat your very first post, here it is:

There have been no ISIS attacks in India either. It has more to do with the negligible number of ultra-radical Sunnis in the countries.

Do you see any question about why i said there is alliance between Iran and ISIS? ...No.

Instead of asking me the reason, you demonized Sunnis just like i wrote:

What is the benefit of the alliance between Iran and ISIS for both sides?

- ISIS to gain Islamic Caliphate,

- Iran to demonize the Sunni population, and also to keep the Syrian Revolution to prevent The west from toppling the Assad puppet regime.


You can write the wishes and words of some people for pages, but still cannot answer to the facts

- ISIS has attacked many countries in the world, killed many civilians around the world. ISIS has many cells in many countries around the world. However, The same ISIS has none in Iran, WHY?

- Even in the op, the leader of ISIS shows some teeth to some countries, but not Iran, WHY?

 

[randomradio]

Hilarious.

It seems you forgat your very first post, here it is:




Do you see any question about why i said there is alliance between Iran and ISIS? ...No.

Instead of asking me the reason, you demonized Sunnis just like i wrote:

What is the benefit of the alliance between Iran and ISIS for both sides?

- ISIS to gain Islamic Caliphate,

- Iran to demonize the Sunni population, and also to keep the Syrian Revolution to prevent The west from toppling the Assad puppet regime.


You can write the wishes and words of some people for pages, but still cannot answer to the facts

- ISIS has attacked many countries in the world, killed many civilians around the world. ISIS has many cells in many countries around the world. However, The same ISIS has none in Iran, WHY?

- Even in the op, the leader of ISIS shows some teeth to some countries, but not Iran, WHY?

Again, all hot air. Nothing but hot air.

ISIS has no cells anywhere, it's just Sunni idiots coming up in arms and doing terror attacks. There are not enough Sunnis in Iran, especially with media being controlled in the country. How will ISIS get support in a country when ISIS was made to fight that country?

Logic is not your strong suit. Even an uneducated Hezbollah soldier knows the truth that you don't.

As for the attacks in Saudi Arabia, pretty much all of them targeted Shias.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...tacks-saudi-arabian-mosque-live-10443009.html
An Isis suicide bomber stuck a Shiite mosque in the eastern village of al-Ahsa in May and killed 22 people. A week later, another bomb attack outside another eastern Shiite mosque killed four.

Only the Shia are dying in Saudi.

Come back to me after Sunni civilians in Saudi Arabia are specifically targeted.

 

[Islamic faith&Secularism]

Again, all hot air. Nothing but hot air.

ISIS has no cells anywhere, it's just Sunni idiots coming up in arms and doing terror attacks. There are not enough Sunnis in Iran, especially with media being controlled in the country. How will ISIS get support in a country when ISIS was made to fight that country?

Logic is not your strong suit. Even an uneducated Hezbollah soldier knows the truth that you don't.

As for the attacks in Saudi Arabia, pretty much all of them targeted Shias.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...tacks-saudi-arabian-mosque-live-10443009.html
An Isis suicide bomber stuck a Shiite mosque in the eastern village of al-Ahsa in May and killed 22 people. A week later, another bomb attack outside another eastern Shiite mosque killed four.

Only the Shia are dying in Saudi.

Come back to me after Sunni civilians in Saudi Arabia are specifically targeted.

Shia is the only argument you bring up time to time, however, you fail to see that the capabilities of ISIS and the location of Iran in the map along with poor border guard of Iran with Iraq; even the Iranian army has warned Iraq for that. However, you still claim Iran is at war with ISIS, but fail to answer why there is no any single attack in Iran, which is right in front of nose of ISIS ''land''.

At the same time, the Mullahs in Iran and ISIS has the same inspiration, therefore the regime in Iran helped the creation of ISIS, that is why there is no attack in Iran.

 

[randomradio]

Shia is the only argument you bring up time to time, however, you fail to see that the capabilities of ISIS and the location of Iran in the map along with poor border guard of Iran with Iraq; even the Iranian army has warned Iraq for that. However, you still claim Iran is at war with ISIS, but fail to answer why there is no any single attack in Iran, which is right in front of nose of ISIS ''land''.

At the same time, the Mullahs in Iran and ISIS has the same inspiration, therefore the regime in Iran helped the creation of ISIS, that is why there is no attack in Iran.

Haha, the whole situation is Shia vs Sunni.

Shia Iran, Shia Syria, Shia Hezbollah vs Sunni ISIS, Sunni Saudi, Sunni Turkey, Sunni Qatar, Sunni UAE, Sunni FSA, Sunni Al Qaeda.

Even in Yemen, it is Sunni Gulf Monarchy, Al-Islah vs Shia Houthis, Shia Iran.

Even in Syria, it is Shia Syrian govt vs Sunni proxies, ISIS.

Everything is Shia vs Sunni. That's why Sunni ISIS attacked Shia targets in Saudi Arabia and that's why ISIS and Iran are enemies.

Now Saudi Arabia is afraid because the Shia are now taking up radical Islam.

 

[Islamic faith&Secularism]

Haha, the whole situation is Shia vs Sunni.

Shia Iran, Shia Syria, Shia Hezbollah vs Sunni ISIS, Sunni Saudi, Sunni Turkey, Sunni Qatar, Sunni UAE, Sunni FSA, Sunni Al Qaeda.

Even in Yemen, it is Sunni Gulf Monarchy, Al-Islah vs Shia Houthis, Shia Iran.

Even in Syria, it is Shia Syrian govt vs Sunni proxies, ISIS.

Everything is Shia vs Sunni. That's why Sunni ISIS attacked Shia targets in Saudi Arabia and that's why ISIS and Iran are enemies.

Now Saudi Arabia is afraid because the Shia are now taking up radical Islam.

No answer to the point, anyway.

Before jumping into the facts, you have to keep in mind these two articles as long as you read my posts, if you want to see the bigger picture:

What is the benefit of the alliance between Iran and ISIS for both sides?

- ISIS to gain Islamic Caliphate,

- Iran to demonize the Sunni population, and also to keep the Syrian Revolution to prevent The west from toppling the Assad puppet regime.


Now, Lets get down to the Facts:

Why is Iran in Syria?

- To support a revolutionary shia movement based on public(?), BUT Assad regime killed hundreds of thousands of Syrian citizens, leaving more as wounded, and the rest fled for other countries not to be killed by Assad. That means Iran is actually supporting a Puppet to keep the throne at the expense of killing Syrian public. A war crime and no relation to Islam.

- Hezbollah once was seen heroic in Muslim world, but now seen as Iranian proxy to protect ''ideology'' of the regime in Iran after Hezbollah involvement in Syria to protect the Puppet.

- Sayyed Qutb theoretically inspired Jihadists, therefore ISIS; However, the same man inspired Mullahs(the regime in Iran) and their proxies, Islamic revolutionary guard corps and Hezbollah.

- IRGC and Hezbollah were established on the idea of Dynamic Islam, which is put forward by Grand Ayatollah Mohammad Hussein Fadlallah, this guy wrote 2 books, “The Islamic Dynamism” (Al Harikiyya Al Islamiyya), and “Islam and the Logic of Power” (Al Islam Wa Mantiq Al Quwwa), these 2 books are simply copy of Sayyed Qutb. But with a difference they were re-written by Shiite understanding.

- With the book of Sayyed Qutb, Jihadists were born; however, The same book re-written for Shiite understanding let Hezbollah, IRGC, Kassam Suleimani, Hasan Abbasi like groups and people.

- Jihadits and Shiites with proxies are the sons of the same father from different mothers, and similarly they bring chaos, death, shame and most importantly hate for Islam.

 

[randomradio]

No answer to the point, anyway.

Before jumping into the facts, you have to keep in mind these two articles as long as you read my posts, if you want to see the bigger picture:

What is the benefit of the alliance between Iran and ISIS for both sides?

- ISIS to gain Islamic Caliphate,

- Iran to demonize the Sunni population, and also to keep the Syrian Revolution to prevent The west from toppling the Assad puppet regime.


Now, Lets get down to the Facts:

Why is Iran in Syria?

- To support a revolutionary shia movement based on public(?), BUT Assad regime killed hundreds of thousands of Syrian citizens, leaving more as wounded, and the rest fled for other countries not to be killed by Assad. That means Iran is actually supporting a Puppet to keep the throne at the expense of killing Syrian public. A war crime and no relation to Islam.

- Hezbollah once was seen heroic in Muslim world, but now seen as Iranian proxy to protect ''ideology'' of the regime in Iran after Hezbollah involvement in Syria to protect the Puppet.

- Sayyed Qutb theoretically inspired Jihadists, therefore ISIS; However, the same man inspired Mullahs(the regime in Iran) and their proxies, Islamic revolutionary guard corps and Hezbollah.

- IRGC and Hezbollah were established on the idea of Dynamic Islam, which is put forward by Grand Ayatollah Mohammad Hussein Fadlallah, this guy wrote 2 books, “The Islamic Dynamism” (Al Harikiyya Al Islamiyya), and “Islam and the Logic of Power” (Al Islam Wa Mantiq Al Quwwa), these 2 books are simply copy of Sayyed Qutb. But with a difference they were re-written by Shiite understanding.

- With the book of Sayyed Qutb, Jihadists were born; however, The same book re-written for Shiite understanding let Hezbollah, IRGC, Kassam Suleimani, Hasan Abbasi like groups and people.

- Jihadits and Shiites with proxies are the sons of the same father from different mothers, and similarly they bring chaos, death, shame and most importantly hate for Islam.

Yeah, yeah, the Shia created ISIS so ISIS can kill Shia.

Go read a real book.

 

[Islamic faith&Secularism]

Yeah, yeah, the Shia created ISIS so ISIS can kill Shia.

Go read a real book.

Is it the excuse to run away from the reality or you are just caught with no argument to refuse the reality?

Either way, it is ok for me.

 

[randomradio]

Is it the excuse to run away from the reality or you are just caught with no argument to refuse the reality?

Either way, it is ok for me.

I have seen your logic and lack of argument. There's nothing else to say unless you actually go out there and get some information.

Like I said, let's talk again after Sunni civilians are attacked in Saudi by ISIS.

 

[Islamic faith&Secularism]

I have seen your logic and lack of argument. There's nothing else to say unless you actually go out there and get some information.

Like I said, let's talk again after Sunni civilians are attacked in Saudi by ISIS.

Before jumping into the facts, you have to keep in mind these two articles as long as you read my posts, if you want to see the bigger picture:

What is the benefit of the alliance between Iran and ISIS for both sides?

- ISIS to gain Islamic Caliphate,

- Iran to demonize the Sunni population, and also to keep the Syrian Revolution to prevent The west from toppling the Assad puppet regime.


Now, Lets get down to the Facts:

Why is Iran in Syria?

- To support a revolutionary shia movement based on public(?), BUT Assad regime killed hundreds of thousands of Syrian citizens, leaving more as wounded, and the rest fled for other countries not to be killed by Assad. That means Iran is actually supporting a Puppet to keep the throne at the expense of killing Syrian public. A war crime and no relation to Islam.

- Hezbollah once was seen heroic in Muslim world, but now seen as Iranian proxy to protect ''ideology'' of the regime in Iran after Hezbollah involvement in Syria to protect the Puppet.

- Sayyed Qutb theoretically inspired Jihadists, therefore ISIS; However, the same man inspired Mullahs(the regime in Iran) and their proxies, Islamic revolutionary guard corps and Hezbollah.

- IRGC and Hezbollah were established on the idea of Dynamic Islam, which is put forward by Grand Ayatollah Mohammad Hussein Fadlallah, this guy wrote 2 books, “The Islamic Dynamism” (Al Harikiyya Al Islamiyya), and “Islam and the Logic of Power” (Al Islam Wa Mantiq Al Quwwa), these 2 books are simply copy of Sayyed Qutb. But with a difference they were re-written by Shiite understanding.

- With the book of Sayyed Qutb, Jihadists were born; however, The same book re-written for Shiite understanding let Hezbollah, IRGC, Kassam Suleimani, Hasan Abbasi like groups and people.

- Jihadits and Shiites with proxies are the sons of the same father from different mothers, and similarly they bring chaos, death, shame and most importantly hate for Islam.



I start to feel you have no knowledge about the situation but some news with links and your instinctive solidarity with Mullahs due to close friendship between Mullahs and your country, I hope i am wrong.

Otherwise, you would not skip the articles above that begin to explain the alliance between ISIS and Iran.

 

[Madali]

Israel, Iran, Iraq, ISIS, India, and Illuminati all start with I. Coincidence? I think not!!

Proof that they are all the same. They are crypto hindu-jew-shias.

@Islamic faith&Secularism feel free to use the above as proof for your future posts.

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ISIS stands for Indian Sufis Iranian Shias

Further proof!!

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Al- Baghdadi has a beard...khamenei has a beard...erdogan doesn't have a beard...an innocent, pure baby doesn't have a beard....hmm..makes you think, doesn't it?

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ISIS is called Islamic State of Syria and Levant...but how come not Islamic State of Syria and Levant and Iran??? The answer is obvious!

 

[EgyptianAmerican]

Haha, the whole situation is Shia vs Sunni.

The whole situation is that both sides are blaming each other. Iranians and Russia,Syria and Iraq started all this conspiracy theory crap about the Saudis creating ISIS which isn't true. So the Turks,Saudis,Jordanians and so on think ISIS was created by Iran which also isn't true.

It's a never ending game of pointing fingers that is not only pitiful but also childish.

Everything is Shia vs Sunni. That's why Sunni ISIS attacked Shia targets in Saudi Arabia and that's why ISIS and Iran are enemies.

Everything isn't Shia vs Sunni, any person who says this clearly doesn't understand the deep rooted cultural,ethnic, and identity of both groups that are vying for the number one Regional power of the middle east.

Arabs and Persians have been at each others throats since 100s and 1000s of years before Islam. Both cultures have had complete control over the middle east at least twice in each of these peoples rich histories.

The enmity of Iranians to the Arab peoples pre dates Islam with the encroachment of the Sassanids on the lands of Arab tribes in Iraq which culminated with the battle of Dhi Qar early in the 7th century and which ended with a victory for the Arabs.

Our peoples have been fighting each other for Millennium. Arabs try to put it behind us but Persians love to fire up the Rivalry.

 

[randomradio]

The whole situation is that both sides are blaming each other. Iranians and Russia,Syria and Iraq started all this conspiracy theory crap about the Saudis creating ISIS which isn't true. So the Turks,Saudis,Jordanians and so on think ISIS was created by Iran which also isn't true.

It's a never ending game of pointing fingers that is not only pitiful but also childish.




Everything isn't Shia vs Sunni, any person who says this clearly doesn't understand the deep rooted cultural,ethnic, and identity of both groups that are vying for the number one Regional power of the middle east.

Arabs and Persians have been at each others throats since 100s and 1000s of years before Islam. Both cultures have had complete control over the middle east at least twice in each of these peoples rich histories.

The enmity of Iranians to the Arab peoples pre dates Islam with the encroachment of the Sassanids on the lands of Arab tribes in Iraq which culminated with the battle of Dhi Qar early in the 7th century and which ended with a victory for the Arabs.

Our peoples have been fighting each other for Millennium. Arabs try to put it behind us but Persians love to fire up the Rivalry.

History from before a hundred years ago or even three hundred years ago has no impact there. Nobody in India 'hates' the British for having enslaved us. No different from the Americans hating the British. Once the last centennials are dead, there won't be anymore WW2 victims left. The Germans are not hated by the Jews anymore.

So your interpretation of the effect of the history of your region is flawed.

The rivalry has always been Shia and Sunni and the rivalry is more complex when you involve the Kurds and Israelis. The only place on the planet with a significant Muslim population that doesn't have a violent Shia Sunni rivalry is in India because the Muslims are a minority and the govt doesn't differentiate between a Sunni, Shia, Ahmadi or any other group. The govt treats them all equally. In every single country with a large number of Muslims in it, one group is persecuting the other.

This persecution is done either economically or violently. Like the recent bombing in Afghanistan which targeted the Hazaras. The group was being economically persecuted by the Afghan govt and were protesting against an economic project. The ISIS targeted this group because of two reasons, one, they are Shia, the reason that ISIS gave for the attack. And two, Afghan Hazaras were being recruited by Iran to fight as their proxies in Iraq against ISIS.

In fact the only ones who are really fighting ISIS are the Russian/Syrian/Iranian alliance, and the Kurds. The rest are fighting ISIS as opportunists.

The Saudis, Turks etc are indirectly funding ISIS through Syrian rebel proxies. So money and weapons being sent to the FSA to fight Assad is being routed to the ISIS in the Southern and Central fronts in Syria. That's the reason why the SDF did not allow the interference of the Turks in their fight in Raqqa, the same with the Iraqis against the Turks in Mosul. Both groups have told the US not to allow the Turks to interfere.

http://rudaw.net/english/middleeast/syria/061120162

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/10/iraq-turns-turkey-battle-mosul-161022130240266.html

 

[EgyptianAmerican]

History from before a hundred years ago or even three hundred years ago has no impact there. Nobody in India 'hates' the British for having enslaved us. No different from the Americans hating the British. Once the last centennials are dead, there won't be anymore WW2 victims left. The Germans are not hated by the Jews anymore.

So your interpretation of the effect of the history of your region is flawed.

With all due Respect but an Indian knows nothing of the complex history or Rivalries of the middle east and the fact that you are saying that me an Arab with a family born and raised in Egypt has a flawed view of history in the middle east is hilarious at best.

Excuse me but why do you have a problem with Pakistan? It's all in the past isn't it?


This is not Britian vs India because Britian won.

This is not America vs Britain because America won.

This is not germans vs Jews because the Germans lost.

That and all of these are

1) Colonies
2) Nazis don't represent all Germans.

After the British left you didn't have to put up with them breathing down your neck and constantly going on about how they conquered you so long ago.

After the British left America they hated each other but since one was on the other side of the Ocean their tempers cooled.

Zionists got Israel, do we really need to go into that?

This Conflict is more like

Albania vs Serbia

Ireland vs Britain

Russia vs America

Pakistan vs India

China vs Japan

Are you getting the Picture or do I need to go more in-depth?

You also forget when I said this...

Arabs try to put it behind us but Persians love to fire up the Rivalry.

"The relationship between Arabs and Persians has always been a source of controversy, not only owing to the contemporary power struggle in the region, but also because of a long history of rivalry that formed an integral part of the national psyche of both people. Iranian intellectual Sadek Zibakalam provides deep insight into the different levels of this enduring animosity.

“I think the majority of Iranians of all types hate Arabs, and I believe they hate us, too,” Sadek Zibakalam, who is also a professor at the University of Tehran, said in an interview with the Iranian weekly Sobh Azade.

Zibakalam said there is a link between racism and a lack of education, and pointed out that this is the case in Europe, where people who express hatred against Jews or Muslims or foreigners are mostly uneducated. However, the situation tends to be different in Iran.

“The phenomenon of hating Arabs is very common among intellectuals in Iran,” he said."

This hatred, Zibakalam argued, is not the product of the current hegemony conflict in the region, as many people might suspect, but has its roots in history.

“Persians will never forget their defeat at the hands of Arabs in the Battle of Qadisiya 1,400 years ago. It is as if a fire keeps seething under the ashes and is waiting for the right moment to explode,” he said.

Iran’s attempts to gain supremacy in the region are not triggered by political ambition as much as by a racist drive that pushes Iranians to prove they are superior, the professor said.

“Whenever Iran issues any fiery statement about our neighbors in the U.A.E, Qatar, or Kuwait, you can easily detect that they revolve around a belief that Persians are superior. Listen to our foreign minister, parliament speaker, or even mosque imams, and you will notice that derogatory tone they use and which focuses on the racial and not the political superiority of Persians.”

When asked whether the stance of the people is similar to that of the government as far as hatred of Arabs is concerned, Zibakalam replied in the affirmative.

“Yes, people are like the government, and may be even more racist and intolerant.”

http://www.alarabiya.net/articles/2011/10/09/170927.html

As you can see here

The wars have been going even longer then Islam.

Taking both bulls by the horns, the Akkadian King, Sargon, launched offensives around 2300 BCE in north Syria and southwest Iran. Then, Iraqis referred to Iran's forces as ''the stinging serpent of the hills.'' Battles were fought in the marshlands, not far from the area of the Majnoon Islands, a focus of recent conflict.

I bet Ayatollah Khomeini would like to repeat the 2004 BC Elamite performance of sacking Ur, then the Iraqi capital, and taking the ruler prisoner.

Iraqis admit they have a ''historical complex'' regarding the Persians.

As an official in the Iraqi Ministry of Information said: ''We are old, America is young. We have been through much more.''


While Sunnis and Shites may play a role it is only a contributing factor. The main suspect of all of this is Persian vs Arab not that hard to comprehend.

Here is a very good statement that clearly outlines why Arabs hate Persians today.

"Behind every conflict raging in the Arab world appears to be the hand of Iran. In Lebanon, the Iranians are supporting Hizbollah as a state-within-a-state. In Yemen, the Iranians provided assistance to the Houthi rebellion in the north. In the two worst conflicts in the Arab world - in Iraq and Syria - Iran is a pivotal player. The raging sectarian battles that have engulfed Iraq were sparked by the US invasion - but the fuel has come in large part from Iran.

In Syria, Iran's involvement is essential to the Assad regime's ability to survive and continue slaughtering its people. If one views the Arab world today, the most persistent meddler is not America or the West, but Iran.

Small wonder then that a leaked diplomatic cable from 2008 quoted a senior Saudi leader urging the United States to attack Iran and "cut off the head of the snake".

Amid such acrimony and history, is it even possible for Hassan Rouhani's presidency to create change? When he took the oath of office on Sunday, Mr Rouhani vowed that he would bring stability to a turbulent region. But the winds that fan the flames of regional wars so often blow in from Iran.

Mr Rouhani has been making conciliatory noises towards the US. But he would do well to realise that he needs to build bridges in his own backyard first.

And that need to understand the importance of neighbours cuts both ways."

-http://www.thenational.ae/thenationalconversation/comment/hostility-between-iranians-and-arabs-betrays-history


Here is another great statement from others.


"Also in the mix is extreme ethnic and national pride. Iranians are justly proud of their imperial history and of maintaining a distinct identity for more than 2,500 years through an often tragic history of invasions and defeats. Iranians are proud of their national language, their literature, and their achievements in science, scholarship, and the arts. Arabs have a similar pride in their ancient civilization, their traditions, and, in particular, their remarkable language.

Too often, however, this pride has become chauvinism and has made each side look down on the other and denigrate its achievements and civilization. To many Arabs, the Iranians were arrogant, luxury-loving fire-worshippers and pagans until the Arabs brought them the enlightened message of Islam. To many Iranians, the Arabs were uncultured nomads who destroyed the great Iranian civilization of the ancient Near East. Such stereotypes fly in the face of reality, but they persist and continue to exercise their power.

Mutual ignorance compounds the hostility. Despite centuries of interaction and contact, neither side knows much about the other. What do Arabs and Iranians know of each other’s art, literature, history, politics, and traditions? Very little. Perhaps a close parallel is the relations between Mexicans and Americans. As Americans we appreciate Mexican food (or a variety of it) and Mexican music. But what do most of us know of Mexico’s culture and history? Very little indeed. So in this mutual ignorance it is easier to dismiss the others as “liars,” “snakes,” and “heretics” than make the effort required for understanding."

- http://foreignpolicy.com/2010/12/01/why-cant-arabs-and-iranians-just-get-along-2/

The rivalry has always been Shia and Sunni and the rivalry is more complex when you involve the Kurds and Israelis.

No it hasn't, also why are you including the Kurds and Israelis?

significant Muslim population that doesn't have a violent Shia Sunni rivalry is in India because the Muslims are a minority and the govt doesn't differentiate between a Sunni, Shia, Ahmadi or any other group.

Now we see why you are doing this... Once again you are wrong. I believe it is Qatar,Egypt,Algeria,Morocco, and so on who have the least Shia vs Sunni rivalry though it tends to light up a little bit at times.

This persecution is done either economically or violently. Like the recent bombing in Afghanistan which targeted the Hazaras. The group was being economically persecuted by the Afghan govt and were protesting against an economic project. The ISIS targeted this group because of two reasons, one, they are Shia, the reason that ISIS gave for the attack. And two, Afghan Hazaras were being recruited by Iran to fight as their proxies in Iraq against ISIS.

ISIS are not Muslims at all, please leave them out of this.

In fact the only ones who are really fighting ISIS are the Russian/Syrian/Iranian alliance, and the Kurds. The rest are fighting ISIS as opportunists.

The Saudis, Turks etc are indirectly funding ISIS through Syrian rebel proxies. So money and weapons being sent to the FSA to fight Assad is being routed to the ISIS in the Southern and Central fronts in Syria. That's the reason why the SDF did not allow the interference of the Turks in their fight in Raqqa, the same with the Iraqis against the Turks in Mosul. Both groups have told the US not to allow the Turks to interfere.

Really? Are you kidding me?

Saudi Arabia is the one most affected by ISIS look at these photos.

Egyptian troops launch ground attack in Isis-held Derna 'capturing 55 militants'
Leader of ISIS in Egypt’s Sinai killed by air force, sources confirm
https://defence.pk/threads/daesh-le...ia-but-not-in-iran.459491/page-6#post-8889604

TURKEY LAUNCHES NEW ATTACK AGAINST ISIS, KURDS IN SYRIA
http://www.newsweek.com/turkey-launches-new-attack-against-isis-syria-495615

Turkey sends more tanks into Syria to fight ISIS — and to block US-backed Kurds
http://www.pri.org/stories/2016-08-24/turkey-fighting-isis-syria-and-blocking-us-backed-kurds

Saudi Arabia offers to send ground troops to Syria to fight Isis
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/feb/04/saudi-arabia-ground-troops-syria-fight-isis

Muslim nations form coalition to fight terror, call Islamic extremism 'disease'
n addition to Saudi Arabia, the coalition will include Jordan, the United Arab Emirates, Pakistan, Bahrain, Bangladesh, Benin, Turkey, Chad, Togo, Tunisia, Djibouti, Senegal, Sudan, Sierra Leone, Somalia, Gabon, Guinea, the Palestinians, Comoros, Qatar, Cote d'Ivoire, Kuwait, Lebanon, Libya, Maldives, Mali, Malaysia, Egypt, Morocco, Mauritania, Niger, Nigeria and Yemen.




What do you mean Assad and his allies are the only ones fighting ISIS?

 

[randomradio]

With all due Respect but an Indian knows nothing of the complex history or Rivalries of the middle east and the fact that you are saying that me an Arab with a family born and raised in Egypt has a flawed view of history in the middle east is hilarious at best.

Excuse me but why do you have a problem with Pakistan? It's all in the past isn't it?

How is 50 years ago the past? Even yesterday is the past? 1 second ago is the past.

This is not Britian vs India because Britian won.

This is not America vs Britain because America won.

This is not germans vs Jews because the Germans lost.

That and all of these are

1) Colonies
2) Nazis don't represent all Germans.

After the British left you didn't have to put up with them breathing down your neck and constantly going on about how they conquered you so long ago.

After the British left America they hated each other but since one was on the other side of the Ocean their tempers cooled.

Zionists got Israel, do we really need to go into that?

This Conflict is more like

Albania vs Serbia

Ireland vs Britain

Russia vs America

Pakistan vs India

China vs Japan

Are you getting the Picture or do I need to go more in-depth?

Exactly what I said. So the Shia/Sunni divide has still not reached a conclusion.

“I think the majority of Iranians of all types hate Arabs, and I believe they hate us, too,” Sadek Zibakalam, who is also a professor at the University of Tehran, said in an interview with the Iranian weekly Sobh Azade.

Shia/Sunni.

“Persians will never forget their defeat at the hands of Arabs in the Battle of Qadisiya 1,400 years ago. It is as if a fire keeps seething under the ashes and is waiting for the right moment to explode,” he said.

Stick any narrative you want.

Iran’s attempts to gain supremacy in the region are not triggered by political ambition as much as

by a racist drive that pushes Iranians to prove they are superior, the professor said.

There's something similar in India also, Arab converts and Central Asian converts.

“Whenever Iran issues any fiery statement about our neighbors in the U.A.E, Qatar, or Kuwait, you can easily detect that they revolve around a belief that Persians are superior.

Listen to our foreign minister, parliament speaker, or even mosque imams, and you will notice that derogatory tone they use and which focuses on the racial and not the political superiority of Persians.”

Yes, the Aryans being superior to the Jews.

The wars have been going even longer then Islam.

Taking both bulls by the horns, the Akkadian King, Sargon, launched offensives around 2300 BCE in north Syria and southwest Iran. Then, Iraqis referred to Iran's forces as ''the stinging serpent of the hills.'' Battles were fought in the marshlands, not far from the area of the Majnoon Islands, a focus of recent conflict.

I bet Ayatollah Khomeini would like to repeat the 2004 BC Elamite performance of sacking Ur, then the Iraqi capital, and taking the ruler prisoner.

Iraqis admit they have a ''historical complex'' regarding the Persians.

As an official in the Iraqi Ministry of Information said: ''We are old, America is young. We have been through much more.''

Oh Please. It's the same thing with the Pakistanis, they cite their old Central Asian and Turkish heroes vis a vis the Hindus of India even if there are more Muslims in India vs Pak.

Politics of that time has no bearing on politics today. It's the gullible who believe that.

"Behind every conflict raging in the Arab world appears to be the hand of Iran. In Lebanon, the Iranians are supporting Hizbollah as a state-within-a-state. In Yemen, the Iranians provided assistance to the Houthi rebellion in the north. In the two worst conflicts in the Arab world - in Iraq and Syria - Iran is a pivotal player. The raging sectarian battles that have engulfed Iraq were sparked by the US invasion - but the fuel has come in large part from Iran.

And in Afghan you have the Sunni Taliban fomenting trouble supported by the Saudis. In Iraq you have the Sunni ISIS. In Syria you have the Sunni Al Qaeda, Sunni FSA etc.

There's everybody's hands is all cookie jars and now they are all stuck.

In Syria, Iran's involvement is essential to the Assad regime's ability to survive and continue slaughtering its people. If one views the Arab world today, the most persistent meddler is not America or the West, but Iran.

It's Shia Assad, Shia Iran, Shia Hezbollah fighting Sunni ISIS, Sunni FSA, Sunni Kurds.

No it hasn't, also why are you including the Kurds and Israelis?

It's that complicated, because the Kurds and Israelis are allied to the US. And certain countries are allied to certain Kurdish groups while fighting others.

Figure out why Russia is bombing the FSA and also helping the FSA against ISIS and you will figure out a lot of what's happening in this conflict.

ISIS are not Muslims at all, please leave them out of this.

That doesn't mean much. They think they are Muslim, and that matters more.

Really? Are you kidding me?

Saudi Arabia is the one most affected by ISIS look at these photos.

All Shia targets. Google the mosques and the people that go there. The only exception is Medina where the bomber killed himself before he could reach his target, which no doubt would be a Shia target.

Egyptian troops launch ground attack in Isis-held Derna 'capturing 55 militants'

Leader of ISIS in Egypt’s Sinai killed by air force, sources confirm
https://defence.pk/threads/daesh-le...ia-but-not-in-iran.459491/page-6#post-8889604

TURKEY LAUNCHES NEW ATTACK AGAINST ISIS, KURDS IN SYRIA
http://www.newsweek.com/turkey-launches-new-attack-against-isis-syria-495615

Turkey sends more tanks into Syria to fight ISIS — and to block US-backed Kurds
http://www.pri.org/stories/2016-08-24/turkey-fighting-isis-syria-and-blocking-us-backed-kurds

Saudi Arabia offers to send ground troops to Syria to fight Isis
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/feb/04/saudi-arabia-ground-troops-syria-fight-isis

Muslim nations form coalition to fight terror, call Islamic extremism 'disease'
n addition to Saudi Arabia, the coalition will include Jordan, the United Arab Emirates, Pakistan, Bahrain, Bangladesh, Benin, Turkey, Chad, Togo, Tunisia, Djibouti, Senegal, Sudan, Sierra Leone, Somalia, Gabon, Guinea, the Palestinians, Comoros, Qatar, Cote d'Ivoire, Kuwait, Lebanon, Libya, Maldives, Mali, Malaysia, Egypt, Morocco, Mauritania, Niger, Nigeria and Yemen.

What do you mean Assad and his allies are the only ones fighting ISIS?

This is exactly the dynamics of the conflict that people have not understood.

As mentioned before, figure out who is bombing what and it becomes more clear.
Example: Why is Russia bombing the FSA while also assisting the FSA against ISIS?

When it comes to ISIS, it's purely vested interests. FSA is fighting ISIS, but also arming ISIS through Saudi and Qatar and Turkey. Why is it so?

Turkey is bombing ISIS, but also buying ISIS oil. Weapons supplies to ISIS apparently stopped only recently. Why?

Why is Turkey bombing ISIS and the Kurdish?

Why is Turkey supplying weapons to the Kurdish and bombing ISIS?

Why is Turkey supplying weapons to the ISIS?

Why is Israel supporting ISIS?

Why is the US supporting ISIS but bombing ISIS?

Why the US considers Al Nusra and Al Qaeda as enemies and not bombing them?

What targets have the US and allies bombed?
What targets have the Russians and allies bombed?

The biggest question: Who is fighting who?

Do you have an answer to any of these? Do you see what's happening?

 

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How is 50 years ago the past? Even yesterday is the past? 1 second ago is the past.

This is not Philsophy class, don't make cryptic messages.

Exactly what I said. So the Shia/Sunni divide has still not reached a conclusion.

Except this isn't a Sunni/Shia thing! How many times before you get it in your head?

There's something similar in India also, Arab converts and Central Asian converts.

What? Arab and Central Asian converts to what?

Yes, the Aryans being superior to the Jews.

Nazi

Oh Please. It's the same thing with the Pakistanis, they cite their old Central Asian and Turkish heroes vis a vis the Hindus of India even if there are more Muslims in India vs Pak.

Politics of that time has no bearing on politics today. It's the gullible who believe that.

Please tell me your kidding? I am showing you proof that this is not a Shia/Sunni Coflict, It predates that.

And in Afghan you have the Sunni Taliban fomenting trouble supported by the Saudis. In Iraq you have the Sunni ISIS. In Syria you have the Sunni Al Qaeda, Sunni FSA etc.

There's everybody's hands is all cookie jars and now they are all stuck.

Do you honestly believe this?

It's that complicated, because the Kurds and Israelis are allied to the US. And certain countries are allied to certain Kurdish groups while fighting others.

Figure out why Russia is bombing the FSA and also helping the FSA against ISIS and you will figure out a lot of what's happening in this conflict.

What does this have anything to do with the Arab/Persian Conflict?!

They think they are Muslim, and that matters more.

No it doesn't

All Shia targets. Google the mosques and the people that go there. The only exception is Medina where the bomber killed himself before he could reach his target, which no doubt would be a Shia target.

Medina is a Sunni City, sorry but your fantasy is starting to fall apart.

This is exactly the dynamics of the conflict that people have not understood.

As mentioned before, figure out who is bombing what and it becomes more clear.
Example: Why is Russia bombing the FSA while also assisting the FSA against ISIS?

When it comes to ISIS, it's purely vested interests. FSA is fighting ISIS, but also arming ISIS through Saudi and Qatar and Turkey. Why is it so?

Turkey is bombing ISIS, but also buying ISIS oil. Weapons supplies to ISIS apparently stopped only recently. Why?

Why is Turkey bombing ISIS and the Kurdish?

Why is Turkey supplying weapons to the Kurdish and bombing ISIS?

Why is Turkey supplying weapons to the ISIS?

Why is Israel supporting ISIS?

Why is the US supporting ISIS but bombing ISIS?

Why the US considers Al Nusra and Al Qaeda as enemies and not bombing them?

What targets have the US and allies bombed?
What targets have the Russians and allies bombed?

The biggest question: Who is fighting who?

Do you have an answer to any of these? Do you see what's happening?

You are a bigger idiot then I thought...