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I have a feeling POP3 has a tendency to lower tonnage figures of our up coming navy ships, perhaps a good way to stop over expectation from us "fans"?
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He mostly used the 'normal' displacement instead of the full displacement.

However, he also stated that the Type 003 is going to displace over 100,000 tonnes in normal, then it might turn out that the Type 003 at full is even going to be heavier than the CVN-78 class.
 
I thought the 002 Carrier was going to be built, or being built at JN shipyard (and not Dalian).
Is that true or not?

Regarding tonnage.....i too have noticed that Carriers do end up usually having a higher tonnage than the original figures quoted. I seem to remember our QE carriers were stated to be around 65,000 tonnes, but now they are quoted as being 70,000 tonnes.

BTW:- that 003 Carrier is going to be one monster of a Carrier........the Chinese have got a lot of work for themselves building a large enough naval port facility to handle such a beast. :-)
 
IMO not, if You look at these part's structure - and from what I've heard in other forums - it will be a freighter or tanker, at least most likely something civil.
i only quoted Daokou says, he analyzed:
1, the line of parts is sharp, different from the civil ship which usually is plimmed;
2,the parts are complicated with thicker steel and grided into small lattice cells;
3, and more mysterious, these parts are made under cover which are not usually ways for civil ships.
4, Dalian ship has acquired experience of carrier making, it is a waste if they stop building carrier, and building carrier is just beginning , so very possible Dalian will do it again.
5,as PLAN plan, to 2022 there will be 4 carriers, that means Dalian must continue.

any way, just wait for months, we will see what is happening in this Dalian shipyard.

by the way, to reply English-man, the need for big ship from PLAN is upgraded, "it is very possible that China is now building two carrier, two classes at same time. "(also quoted from Daokou)


Daokou analysis in Chinese:
疑问核心为什么又在保密的大棚子里建造?

我们都知道,全世界的民用船只在建造的过程中都是暴露在阳光下的,凡是造船要用大棚子遮起来造的那一定是因为保密的需要在造军船。造核潜艇最神秘,全世界的军事超强都有核潜艇,但是建造过程无一例外都是躲在大型的车间里,等推出来准备下水,才会有第一次裸奔,你能看见的就是个谁都能看的外形(线性)。核潜艇的噪声越低越好,而低噪声主要来自建造工艺的缜密巧妙和技术精深,有的技术诀窍是一辈子不能示人的,所以建造核潜艇都在保密制度执行的最严的大型车间里,四面八方封闭,进出出示证件,保卫人员都是认证不认人,还要刷虹膜、刷脸还有的要指纹识别,才能进出。

1,航母
最惊艳的说法是要在大连开造“另外”一艘002型航母,所谓“另外”指的是有关专家泄露2015年3月已经在上海江南厂开造了一艘002型航母,那么再在大连造002航母就是另外一艘002航母了。这在理论上也说得通,002航母是中国第一艘采用弹射起飞模式的新型航母,是采用常规动力电磁弹射起飞舰载机的航母,按照一般规律也是为了节约成本和充分利用已有的技术储备和材料资源,一般都要造两艘才合适。

还有,大连船厂(大连重工)为建造001A航母特别建造了专用的大车间和专用设备,几十台数百吨的专用设备比如钣金、卷扬、焊接、切割等都是国家宝贵的资产,不能用一回就完事了。
大连重工从改造瓦良格号的02号工程到完成001A新航母的048工程,积累了造航母的丰富经验,航母是怎么回事我们已经知道的很通透,中国现在是世界造船大国,能造航母就已经是造船强国,事实摆在那里。
说了半天,说的什么意思呢?就是中国同时开建两艘两型航母也是可能的,很可能还是必须的,按照我们目前的造船能力和造船科技水平,没有任何问题。从需求上我们也有这个需求,本次军改,人民海军将目前的两支海军陆战旅急剧的扩充为十支,这个消息侧面证实了中国海军正在急于发展和扩充远洋投送能力,同时也侧面印证了中国海军对航母的急需,时不我待,我们不能向远洋输送一支没有航母提供制空权的海军陆战队,按照这个要求,2022年前后形成4艘航母战斗群的战斗力是必须的。
如果这个判断正确,正在大连重工船坞里开建的很可能就是继上海002航母后大连开建的另外一艘002航母。
目前,上海江南厂2015年已经开造002航母,大船重工再造001A的可能性很小,最有可能的是大连重工也开造002航母,这样可以在相对短的时间点达到一共4艘两型双航母战斗群的目的,按照一般规律,中国海军要争取在2022年形成2批2型4艘航母的战斗力,如果002型航母分期在2015年和2017年开始建造,达成这个目标是可以预期的。
同时开建两型航母在世界航母史上并不是中国一家。

2、小平顶两栖攻击舰
前面说过,本次军改,人民海军将目前的两支海军陆战旅急剧的扩充为十支,这个消息侧面证实了中国海军正在急于发展和扩充远洋投送能力,而远洋投送能力最显著的标志就是网友戏称的“小平顶”两栖攻击舰.
那么,在大连重工船坞里正在组装大型模块和构件的第二种猜测就是在建造一艘“小平顶”两栖攻击舰。
海军现役少将尹卓曾经说过,中国的两栖攻击舰比外国的小航母还要大!虽然有关中国两栖攻击舰吨位的各种说法都有,但是没有人否认尹卓的这个比喻。一般认为,中国的两栖攻击舰因为与一些国家的需求不同,肯定是要造的比较大才行,原因主要是我们缺乏海外基地,必须有强大的自持力才能保证中国的两栖舰队遂行远洋部署,大就是必须的。
这样一艘两栖攻击舰至少在5万吨左右。
这样,大连重工船坞的“小平顶”基本也快赶上001A了,能造001A的这个大船坞肯定也能造两栖攻击舰。
 
I still believe that the new ship being built is an LNG carrier. The photo clearly shown double bottom hull, double side wall, support structures for large spherical containers for LNG, lack of watertight bulkheads etc which fitted well with typical design of LNG carrier.

The need for double bottom amd double side hull is a safety design for LNG (Liquidified Natural Gas), to prevent fire or explosion from impact on collision.
 
I still believe that the new ship being built is an LNG carrier. The photo clearly shown double bottom hull, double side wall, support structures for large spherical containers for LNG, lack of watertight bulkheads etc which fitted well with typical design of LNG carrier.

The need for double bottom amd double side hull is a safety design for LNG (Liquidified Natural Gas), to prevent fire or explosion from impact on collision.

The second Type 002 will be built in a brand new shipyard in Dalian.
 
Several well informed sources from Chinese military BBS mention that, there will be 3 type-002 aircraft carriers builidng at the same time, one will be built in Dalian, one will be builit in Shanghai, and a newly added one will be be built in Huludao shipyard (which is a highly classified shipyard mainly building nuclear submarine for PLA before).

Nuclear submarines in China will also enter mass-producation phase unlike before.
 
Several well informed sources from Chinese military BBS mention that, there will be 3 type-002 aircraft carriers builidng at the same time, one will be built in Dalian, one will be builit in Shanghai, and a newly added one will be be built in Huludao shipyard (which is a highly classified shipyard mainly building nuclear submarine for PLA before).

Nuclear submarines in China will also enter mass-producation phase unlike before.

Not surprised as China would like to match US by 2030.

There was a quote from some Chinese military leader a while back stating China's
intention to push the US back to Hawaii by 2030.
 
Not surprised as China would like to match US by 2030.

There was a quote from some Chinese military leader a while back stating China's
intention to push the US back to Hawaii by 2030.

How are they going to do that?
 
How are they going to do that?
By 2030 perhaps the Chinese naval force may conduct FONOPS passage routinely within the West Pacific Ocean, thus push back the USN force to cover its own mainland.

If the estimate is right, by 2030 the Chinese naval force should have at least around 350 big surface ships incl. at least six to eight CVs & CVNs plus many SSN & SSBN, many DDG of various types, 05x series and much possibly even newer & more potent destroyers also the new copter carriers... all of these ships are intended to cover the East China Sea & South China Sea as well as to exert unrestricted access to the West Pacific Ocean (as well as the Indian Ocean), passing beyond the Second Island Chain (the First Island Chain as well as the South China Sea are forgone issues by then), basically to cover China's worldwide trade interests, the clear-cut 'numero uno' economy in the world by then, in nominal value not just in PPP, but more than just on paper or balance sheet digital values, the factual real or physical development also shows its clear lead.

Therefore if China indeed really focuses its resources to build its naval forces & submarines, such outcome won't be really anything a surprise and is quite an achievable plan considering the China's trademark speed in construction as well as the stage of industrialization and installed capacity. At the end it is truly a matter of priority! Please note that each year from now on until 2030 and beyond, the technological progress achieved by China year by year will be tremendous as shown in the last decade... liken it to the multiplying effects of rolling snowball getting its momentum and becomes bigger and bigger as well as faster and faster on the way achieving its new equilibrium state!

This kind of situation does make sense that the naval force of each major powers by that time (RUS - USA - CHN) will concentrate around its own waters instead of approaching the backyard waters of the other major powers. The era of the unipolar / unipower was already gone by then.

Of course the unfolding time is the most accurate, undeniable teller of its time. So just wait and see. All of us here may still live up till 2030 and beyond to witness the world constellation by then... so is the PDF existence :D:P :coffee:

Just curious on WHO does really still believe in the "sole superpower" or unipolar world by 2030,,, please raise your hand here :raise::raise::raise::raise: don't be shy away :P chance is the subcontinent India may successfully elevate itself to be the other major power or major power contender as well. By the way only a nation having vast landmass and big population supported by big economy as well as advanced science & technology level that can develop itself into the true major power! And of course having strong military to defend own sovereignty! Island nations have no chance in this regard. If any in the past, it was simply an accident in history.
 
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By 2030 perhaps the Chinese naval force may conduct FONOPS passage routinely within the West Pacific Ocean, thus push back the USN force to cover its own mainland.

If the estimate is right, by 2030 the Chinese naval force should have at least around 350 big surface ships incl. at least six to eight CVs & CVNs plus many SSN & SSBN, many DDG of various types, 05x series and much possibly even newer & more potent destroyers also the new copter carriers... all of these ships are intended to cover the East China Sea & South China Sea as well as to exert unrestricted access to the West Pacific Ocean (as well as the Indian Ocean), passing beyond the Second Island Chain (the First Island Chain as well as the South China Sea are forgone issues by then), basically to cover China's worldwide trade interests, the clear-cut 'numero uno' economy in the world by then, in nominal value not just in PPP, but more than just on paper or balance sheet digital values, the factual real or physical development also shows its clear lead.

Therefore if China indeed really focuses its resources to build its naval forces & submarines, such outcome won't be really anything a surprise and is quite an achievable plan considering the China's trademark speed in construction as well as the stage of industrialization and installed capacity. At the end it is truly a matter of priority! Please note that each year from now on until 2030 and beyond, the technological progress achieved by China year by year will be tremendous as shown in the last decade... liken it to the multiplying effects of rolling snowball getting its momentum and becomes bigger and bigger as well as faster and faster on the way achieving its new equilibrium state!

This kind of situation does make sense that the naval force of each major powers by that time (RUS - USA - CHN) will concentrate around its own waters instead of approaching the backyard waters of the other major powers. The era of the unipolar / unipower was already gone by then.

Of course the unfolding time is the most accurate, undeniable teller of its time. So just wait and see. All of us here may still live up till 2030 and beyond to witness the world constellation by then... so is the PDF existence :D:P :coffee:

Just curious on WHO does really still believe in the "sole superpower" or unipolar world by 2030,,, please raise your hand here :raise::raise::raise::raise: don't be shy away :P chance is the subcontinent India may successfully elevate itself to be the other major power or major power contender as well. By the way only a nation having vast landmass and big population supported by big economy as well as advanced science & technology level that can develop itself into the true major power! And of course having strong military to defend own sovereignty! Island nations have no chance in this regard. If any in the past, it was simply an accident in history.

Yep, by 2030 S China Sea will become a Chinese lake and Chinese military power will dominate up to Hawaii.

Only idiots would think that the US will still surround China by 2030.
 
Several well informed sources from Chinese military BBS mention that, there will be 3 type-002 aircraft carriers builidng at the same time, one will be built in Dalian, one will be builit in Shanghai, and a newly added one will be be built in Huludao shipyard (which is a highly classified shipyard mainly building nuclear submarine for PLA before).

Nuclear submarines in China will also enter mass-producation phase unlike before.

If this turns out to be true then many of us here were very conservative with the AC buildup planning. Three 002 constructions at the same time man that's fooking awesome. With our new sub facility it's time to kick productions into high gear.
 
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