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Close-Up Photo Shows China’s New Aircraft Carrier Rapidly Taking Shape

China's first truly indigenous carrier, which will be the third flattop for the People’s Liberation Army Navy, boasts massive capability enhancements.

By THOMAS NEWDICK | THE WAR ZONE, 04 JUNE 2021

Using this earlier imagery, some observers have extrapolated that the warship will likely have a displacement greater than the figure of 80,000-85,000 tons originally projected. This would bring it closer to the U.S. Navy’s own supercarriers, which have a displacement of around 100,000 tons.

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What’s more, the Type 003 design is expected to be equipped with an electromagnetic aircraft launch system (EMALS), rather than relying on the “ski jump” ramps used on the PLAN’s two in-service carriers, the Liaoning (Type 001) and Shandong (Type 002). The use of EMALS could potentially boost sortie-generation rate on the new carrier, despite it apparently not featuring additional aircraft elevators.

Introducing an EMALS is a significant technological challenge, one that has faced its fair share of problems in the United States [on the latest Gerald Ford class carrier, problematic until present day], but if perfected will allow the PLAN to operate larger and heavier carrier aircraft, such as fixed-wing airborne early warning (AEW) platforms, and to launch and recover existing J-15 multirole carrier fighters at heavier weights, with a significant increase in the number of sorties the carrier can generate. EMALS would also permit the carrier to launch lighter drones, a prospect that we have examined in detail in the past.


What’s clear, above all else, is the speed with which Beijing is developing its aircraft carrier capabilities. Progress on the Type 003 build has been impressive, despite the effects of the COVID-19 pandemic. Some reports predict the Type 003 could be launched next year, which would tally more or less with an unclassified February 2020 report from the Office of Naval Intelligence [ONI] anticipating that that the carrier could enter service in 2024.

While the Type 002 project was less ambitious, it’s still noteworthy that it was only around five years between laying the keel for the future Shandong and that vessel’s commissioning into service. Just as important as the speed at which this was achieved is the experience that will have been gained by the China’s shipbuilding industries that are now working on the Type 003 and which will surely build more carriers in the future, too.

Unconfirmed reports last year suggest that work on PLAN’s next carrier — the Type 004 — was due to start soon, possibly at Dalian Shipyard in Liaoning. There are persistent rumors that this vessel will be both larger than its predecessors and will be nuclear powered, but other assessments suggest it will utilize the Type 003 design. Ultimately, however, it seems likely that nuclear power will be the PLAN’s goal.

Western reports have frequently speculated that the PLAN may eventually build a force of six aircraft carriers. On the other hand, other observers claim that Beijing ultimately plans for “10 or more” carriers, which would clearly be a much longer-term ambition.

The introduction of catapults on the Type 003 also opens the door to embarking a fixed-wing AEW aircraft, a prototype of which is already under test, a fact initially confirmed by photos that appeared last summer. The twin-turboprop KJ-600 is analogous to the U.S. Navy’s E-2 Hawkeye and appears superficially similar. Once fielded aboard the Type 003, the KJ-600 promises to revolutionize the way the PLAN carrier air wing operates, providing long range surveillance against air, sea, and land targets as well as battle management and networking capabilities. The PLAN already has some experience with carrier-based AEW assets, in the form of the Z-18J, a derivative of the Z-18 heavy-lift helicopter with a retractable radar antenna attached to the rear ramp.

In its 2020 report to Congress on the Chinese military, the U.S. Department of Defense pointed to the Type 003 in particular as a major development within its planned multi-carrier force:

“China’s next generation of carriers will have greater endurance and a catapult system,” the report reads. “In particular, China’s aircraft carriers and planned follow-on carriers, once operational, will extend air defense coverage beyond the range of coastal and shipboard missile systems and will enable task group operations at increasingly longer ranges.”

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Once China has enough carriers for the home waters, deploying this ship and the two ski-jump carriers to Djibouti would allow China to always have at least one Carrier on patrol in the Indian Ocean at all times, to protect the SLOCs, and be more then a match for the Indian carrier battle groups.

A development to watch calmly, unless the observer is the Indian Navy. ;)
 
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Neither the "big shrimps" nor other Chinese sources are accurate.

The most reliable sources are:
1. David Axe
2. National Interest
3. Gordon Chang
4. RAJ47


By the way I cannot find Raj47's post claiming the Type 003 carrier would be a 380m monster ... can anyone re-post it?

PS ... found it :omghaha:

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Kitty Hawk has more powerful propulsion than Nimitz, 280k shp vs 260k shp. Of course they also have different maximum speeds. Nuclear powered carriers only win on much less demands for re-fuel when long range cruise is needed, but lose quite big on battle readiness.

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That's why it's better to build conventional powered ships unless you need to cover the whole damn planet. Considering China only interests in peripheral seas, it is doubtful China will build nuclear powered ships anytime soon.
 
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Oh well ... now I'm being quoted even in China/Taiwan?!! 😲

Seems as if I'm almost famous. 😅

 
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By the way I cannot find Raj47's post claiming the Type 003 carrier would be a 380m monster ... can anyone re-post it?

PS ... found it :omghaha:

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I think his comments were just sarcastic. Everyone knows that Gordon Chang has been predicting China to collapse since twenty years ago. He's absolutely an icon. :rofl:
 
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Kitty Hawk has more powerful propulsion than Nimitz, 280k shp vs 260k shp. Of course they also have different maximum speeds. Nuclear powered carriers only win on much less demands for re-fuel when long range cruise is needed, but lose quite big on battle readiness.

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280,000 shp is generated by the four shafts (steam turbines).

However, the four steam turbines are powered by the twin nuclear reactors or eight boilers.

The twin A1B/A4W nuclear reactor can generate the power far beyond the eight boilers of the Kitty Hawk class.

That's why the Ford/Nimitz class ships are far more powerful than the Kitty Hawk class carriers.
A conventional powerplant, IEP or otherwise, that is able to power a 90K+ ton carrier AND an EM catapult would be far more advanced (and revolutionary) than a nuclear reactor.

The conventional powerplant to power the Type 003 would be technologically more difficult with less efficiency.

So it is nearly impossible for the 90,000+ tonnes Type 003 to be conventionally powered.
 
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280,000 shp is generated by the four shafts (steam turbines).

However, the four steam turbines are powered by the twin nuclear reactors or eight boilers.

The twin A1B/A4W nuclear reactor can generate the power far beyond the eight boilers of the Kitty Hawk class.

That's why the Ford/Nimitz class ships are far more powerful than the Kitty Hawk class carriers.


The conventional powerplant to power the Type 003 would be technologically more difficult with less efficiency.

So it is nearly impossible for the 90,000+ tonnes Type 003 to be conventionally powered.
Steam boilers can generate steam in higher temperature with greater pressure than that generated by the second loops of the reactors.
  • Boilers heat the water directly
  • Reactors heat the water indirectly with 2 isolated loops to avoid leaks of radiation
That makes the difference on the power output between them.
 
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Well, well 😲... slowly the images are getting better and more details can be seen on the Type 003 aircraft carrier including the island.

(Images via @谈笑看世间)

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Once China has enough carriers for the home waters, deploying this ship and the two ski-jump carriers to Djibouti would allow China to always have at least one Carrier on patrol in the Indian Ocean at all times, to protect the SLOCs, and be more then a match for the Indian carrier battle groups.

A development to watch calmly, unless the observer is the Indian Navy. ;)
If China can build one, they can quickly build a hundred that is the chinese way.
 
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If China can build one, they can quickly build a hundred that is the chinese way.

They are also frugal with their resources as well as not overstretching. They may have a number in mind and if the Indian Ocean region is not seen as a priority, they may not commit to maintaining a carrier battle group presence in the region. Considering they want to protect their own SLOCs, they probably will keep at least a limited force in the Indian Ocean region, while the bulk of the fleet is in the Western Pacific to protect the homeland.
 
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They are also frugal with their resources as well as not overstretching. They may have a number in mind and if the Indian Ocean region is not seen as a priority, they may not commit to maintaining a carrier battle group presence in the region. Considering they want to protect their own SLOCs, they probably will keep at least a limited force in the Indian Ocean region, while the bulk of the fleet is in the Western Pacific to protect the homeland.

I think 001 AC will decom around 2030 after 004 AC completed.
 
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so now the flight deck is mostly finished, it's dimensions are either equal to or smaller than that of Kitty hawk, the exhaust openings are also visible now. do we still have people who will insist this is a 95k tonne monsterous nuclear powered carrier? usually people used to say "hey let's wait" however now that it is mostly taken shape we don't need to wait anymore, the type 003 is a 75k tonne CV.
 
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I think 001 AC will decom around 2030 after 004 AC completed.

Type 001 AC (CVBG-16) will be on Active Duty until 2040-2050 at least.

Type 001 & 002 AC (CVBG-16 & 17) is still deadly for any medium countries with 50 unit 4.5th Gen Heavy fighter ready to deploy with full load. It's more than enough to guard East & South China sea.

Meanwhile Type 003 AC (CVBG-18 & 19) will be focused to guard Western Pacific & Hindian Ocean.

While Type 004 CVN (CVBG-20, 21, and so on) will be focused on far waters beyond that
 
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