CV-18 Fujian - Type 003 Aircraft Carrier News & Discussions

[casual]

so now the flight deck is mostly finished, it's dimensions are either equal to or smaller than that of Kitty hawk, the exhaust openings are also visible now. do we still have people who will insist this is a 95k tonne monsterous nuclear powered carrier? usually people used to say "hey let's wait" however now that it is mostly taken shape we don't need to wait anymore, the type 003 is a 75k tonne CV.

Judging from the size, it's at least 80k tonne or more.

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

I think 001 AC will decom around 2030 after 004 AC completed.

A carrier typically has a life span of 50 years, if not more. Hell, Nimitz is still in service since mid 70s. 001 only entered service in 2012.

 

[obj 705A]

Judging from the size, it's at least 80k tonne or more.

it's width and length is either equal to or smaller than that of Kitty hawk, this is not just my own opinion but that is a fact, Kitty hawk was around 75k metric tonne yet you still insist that it will be "at least 80k tonne" thus implying it will probably be larger than 80k perhaps closer to 85k.. come on man it's time to admit it.

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

it's width and length is either equal to or smaller than that of Kitty hawk, this is not just my own opinion but that is a fact, Kitty hawk was around 75k metric tonne yet you still insist that it will be "at least 80k tonne" thus implying it will probably be larger than 80k perhaps closer to 85k.. come on man it's time to admit it.

Yes I think it's about 70 to 75 thousand tons.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

Before the actual launch, the planes need to be prepared.
To increase the size of an attack wave, which can be critical, the area after the 3rd catapult is important. It can accommodate at least three to four planes on Type 003.
One of the changes Shandong had over Liaoning is a new weapon elevator in that area such that the weapons don't have to be moved across the whole flight deck to get there.
Moving weapons is much easier compared to moving planes across the flight deck.
Then why not add an elevator for planes there?

In battle time, the deck operations are very complicated and almost a big mess. Launching, recovering, preparing, planes, weapons, etc etc, all at the same time. The efficiency is critical. And a 3rd elevator will definitely be a great help.

in actual combat I think the operations are mostly on the flight deck. refueling isn't done in the hangar.

 

[casual]

it's width and length is either equal to or smaller than that of Kitty hawk, this is not just my own opinion but that is a fact, Kitty hawk was around 75k metric tonne yet you still insist that it will be "at least 80k tonne" thus implying it will probably be larger than 80k perhaps closer to 85k.. come on man it's time to admit it.

Kitty hawk is 81k tonnes. And how is it smaller then kitty hawk? The waterline measurements point to a carrier closer to Nimitz class and bigger then kitty hawk. Anyways, arguing this is pretty pointless. Just wait for finished product.

 

[obj 705A]

Kitty hawk is 81k tonnes. And how is it smaller then kitty hawk? The waterline measurements point to a carrier closer to Nimitz class and bigger then kitty hawk. Anyways, arguing this is pretty pointless. Just wait for finished product.

we don't need to wait anymore because it already took shape and the dimensions will not change from what it is now and the dimensions have already been calculated.

kitty hawk is less than 80k tonne, it is somewhere around 75k tonne. the 81k figure that you mention is the long ton that the Americans use which is smaller than the metric tonne that the rest of the world uses.

the waterline length is 300 meters for kitty hawk and type 003, which is far much smaller than the 316 meters of the nimitz, width of all these however is all the same. the flight deck length of kitty hawk is 325, length of the type 003's flight deck is estimated at 316 or at best it will be the same as the kitty hawk length, these are not just my own estimations these are the undeniable facts.

 

[ZeEa5KPul]

we don't need to wait anymore because it already took shape and the dimensions will not change from what it is now and the dimensions have already been calculated.

kitty hawk is less than 80k tonne, it is somewhere around 75k tonne. the 81k figure that you mention is the long ton that the Americans use which is smaller than the metric tonne that the rest of the world uses.

the waterline length is 300 meters for kitty hawk and type 003, which is far much smaller than the 316 meters of the nimitz, width of all these however is all the same. the flight deck length of kitty hawk is 325, length of the type 003's flight deck is estimated at 316 or at best it will be the same as the kitty hawk length, these are not just my own estimations these are the undeniable facts.

Where are you getting these measurements?

 

[Polestar 2]

I think if Type 003 AC goes to nuclear, it's a bonus.

Even if her goes to Conventionally powered it will be more than enough. With EMALS & Nimitz size a.k.a Super Carrier. That's already a huge leap for China's AC Power Projection




Because China have Fast Supply Ships to handle that (Type 901 class)
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And I believe, the first four of China's Aircraft Carrier will be focused to protect Western Pacific & Hindian Ocean region from cowboy. That's enough for any Conventionally powered AC

Beside Fast Supply Ship (Type 901) ready to deploy, China have Naval Base in Djibouti and also have many friendly countries that would be happy to have China's Carrier Battle Group refuelling in their ports (like Pakistan, Iran, Srilanka, Bangladesh, Kenya, Tanzania, Seychelles, etc).

But yes, I would be happier if Type 003 AC goes to nuclear

Nuclear or not, CVN fleet still need these giant replenishment ship tag along the fleet.

There are more than 5000 crew onboard Nimitz and nearly 3000 crew onboard CV-16 Liaoning. The ration onboard can only last for 30 days. Faster depleted than the fuel consume by the ship. RAS are common for aircraft carrier.

Nuclear is more critical for SSBN since they have little crew. 100 plus or less. The ratio onboard can last more than a hundred days. Conventional didn't make an aircraft carrier less ocean going than a nuclear one. Nuclear has unlimited range but the food store onboard aircraft carrier are limited.

Let me ask you all, which ballistic missile launch submarine are conventional? (Besides the NK one due to technology difficulty and the Type 032 testbed one by PLAN)

 

[CAPRICORN-88]

China initially planned to have only 6 but in the face with increasing threats instigated by USA, it will expands exponentially to says a minumum of says10.

And they have justification for that. Thanks to 5 eyes nation headed by USA.

And everybody has forgotten about the Russian Navy which may be soon be constucting its own Aircraft Carriers as well.

 

[sheik]

Now it's clear that Type 003 is the Chinese version of Kitty Hawk. The dimension and displacement will all be close to Kitty Hawk. The original design was aiming Kitty Hawk, a 80K tonner with conventional propulsion, even though the design was changed in the middle to make sue of EMALS. It's not a Nimitz or Ford probably because the designers were kind of conservative and preferred smaller steps in advancing their skills in building those monsters. I believe Type 004 is aiming Ford and will emerge in several years. A 2nd Type 003 may be built first though.

China is not US that can waste time and $ on Zumwalt and LCS and can wait for years for the Ford to be combat ready. Many decisions were made for PLA to be prepared for a war that could happen at any time or even tomorrow, literally, thanks to Taiwan. There were many examples, such as the building of the last two Type 053H3 after the 1st Type 054, the 2nd batch of 052C with 052D almost ready, even CV-17 was added when the original design of Type 003 was almost finished. Many decisions did not seem to be wise if reviewed ten or twenty years later, but it made sense for the pressure and challenge PLA have been facing since 1996 when Taiwan took a big step toward independence and the US was backing that up with two carrier strike groups deployed nearby. To PLA, the combat readiness of the ship is more important than how advanced the technology is.

 

[Daniel808]

kitty hawk is less than 80k tonne, it is somewhere around 75k tonne. the 81k figure that you mention is the long ton that the Americans use which is smaller than the metric tonne that the rest of the world uses.

Since when Normal tonnes number smaller then Long tonnes number?

Kitty hawk displacement when in full load configuration :
Long Tonnes : 81k
Normal Tonnes : 83k

 

[sheik]

Now it's clear that Type 003 is the Chinese version of Kitty Hawk. The dimension and displacement will all be close to Kitty Hawk. The original design was aiming Kitty Hawk, a 80K tonner with conventional propulsion, even though the design was changed in the middle to make sue of EMALS. It's not a Nimitz or Ford probably because the designers were kind of conservative and preferred smaller steps in advancing their skills in building those monsters. I believe Type 004 is aiming Ford and will emerge in several years. A 2nd Type 003 may be built first though.

China is not US that can waste time and $ on Zumwalt and LCS and can wait for years for the Ford to be combat ready. Many decisions were made for PLA to be prepared for a war that could happen at any time or even tomorrow, literally, thanks to Taiwan. There were many examples, such as the building of the last two Type 053H3 after the 1st Type 054, the 2nd batch of 052C with 052D almost ready, even CV-17 was added when the original design of Type 003 was almost finished. Many decisions did not seem to be wise if reviewed ten or twenty years later, but it made sense for the pressure and challenge PLA have been facing since 1996 when Taiwan took a big step toward independence and the US was backing that up with two carrier strike groups deployed nearby. To PLA, the combat readiness of the ship is more important than how advanced the technology is.

The smaller than expected deck size might be the major reason why there is no 3rd elevator on the port side. According to the settings of the game Carrier Deck, elevators can be used to park the planes but cannot be used to prepare the planes. If that's true, an elevator, especially a big one that can lift two planes a time, does take too much space in that small area (aft on the port side).

 

[casual]

we don't need to wait anymore because it already took shape and the dimensions will not change from what it is now and the dimensions have already been calculated.

kitty hawk is less than 80k tonne, it is somewhere around 75k tonne. the 81k figure that you mention is the long ton that the Americans use which is smaller than the metric tonne that the rest of the world uses.

the waterline length is 300 meters for kitty hawk and type 003, which is far much smaller than the 316 meters of the nimitz, width of all these however is all the same. the flight deck length of kitty hawk is 325, length of the type 003's flight deck is estimated at 316 or at best it will be the same as the kitty hawk length, these are not just my own estimations these are the undeniable facts.

yo, long tonne is heavier then metric ton. 81k long tonne is roughly 82.3k metric ton.

And your measurements don't match with what I've been seeing. Since major construction havent finished yet, don't compare flight deck area and instead focus on waterline area. The waterline area of 003 is somewhere between ford and nimitz. def bigger then kitty.

Now it's clear that Type 003 is the Chinese version of Kitty Hawk. The dimension and displacement will all be close to Kitty Hawk. The original design was aiming Kitty Hawk, a 80K tonner with conventional propulsion, even though the design was changed in the middle to make sue of EMALS. It's not a Nimitz or Ford probably because the designers were kind of conservative and preferred smaller steps in advancing their skills in building those monsters. I believe Type 004 is aiming Ford and will emerge in several years. A 2nd Type 003 may be built first though.

China is not US that can waste time and $ on Zumwalt and LCS and can wait for years for the Ford to be combat ready. Many decisions were made for PLA to be prepared for a war that could happen at any time or even tomorrow, literally, thanks to Taiwan. There were many examples, such as the building of the last two Type 053H3 after the 1st Type 054, the 2nd batch of 052C with 052D almost ready, even CV-17 was added when the original design of Type 003 was almost finished. Many decisions did not seem to be wise if reviewed ten or twenty years later, but it made sense for the pressure and challenge PLA have been facing since 1996 when Taiwan took a big step toward independence and the US was backing that up with two carrier strike groups deployed nearby. To PLA, the combat readiness of the ship is more important than how advanced the technology is.

even if 003 is the same weight as kitty hawk, EMALS and electric propulsion system on the 003 is much smaller and lighter then the steam catapult and propulsion systems on the kitty hawk. 003 will have more room to fit other equipment.

 

[Deino]