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Hie,

Su-30mki is IAF's prime air superiority fighter and F-16 is PAF's.I feel rather than comparing jf-17 with MKI , comparing jf-17 with Mig-29 would make more sense !

* I have tried to keep the comparison as neutral as possible . Please correct me if I am wrong with any specifications !

*Please..don't troll and moreover don't reply to trolls..its a request !!


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JF-17 Thunder

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Unit cost: US$ 15 million (estimated)★

Max takeoff weight: 12,700 kg

Powerplant: 1× Klimov RD-93 turbofan

Maximum Speed : Mach 1.8

Radar: Italian Grifo S-7 ?

Range: 3,000 km ★

Thrust/weight: 0.99

Rate of climb: 175 m/s ?

Service ceiling: 16,700 m

G-limit: +8.5 g





FEATURES

+Ra'ad ALCM is planned to be integrated with and launched from JF-17.★

+The EW suite is also linked to a missile approach warning (MAW) system to help it defend against radar-guided missiles.

+NRIET KLJ-7 radar's multiple modes allow surveillance and simultaneous engagement of multiple air, ground and sea targets, of which a total of 40 can be managed. Using the track-while-scan (TWS) mode, the radar can track up to 10 targets at beyond visual range (BVR) and engage 2 of them simultaneously with radar homing air-to-air missiles. The operation range for targets with a radar cross-section (RCS) of 5 m2 is stated to be ≥105 km in look-up mode and ≥85 km in look-down mode.

Short range

AIM-9L/M -1–18 km
PL-5E - 0.5-16~18km
PL-9C -22km

BVR capability

PL-12 / SD-10 - 100 km

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^^SD-10


IAF MiG-29 Baaz (Hawk)

The upgraded Indian version is known as Baaz (Hindi for Hawk) and forms a crucial component of the second-line offensive aircraft-fleet of the IAF after the Sukhoi Su-30MKI.Since its induction, IAF has invested nearly 2 billion on upgrading it.

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Unit cost: ?

Max takeoff weight: 21,000 kg ★

Powerplant: RD-33 series 3

Maximum Speed : Mach 2.25 (2,400 km/h) ★

Radar: Phazatron Zhuk-M ★

Range: 2495 km - with one in-flight refuelling.

Thrust/weight: 1.01 ★

Rate of climb: ~ 330 m/s ★

Service ceiling: 18,013 m ★

G-limit: +9.5 g ★

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^^upgraded MIG-29 SMT cockpit

FEATURES

+ Zhuk-M features improved signal processing and has a detection range of up to 120 km vs a 5 m2 RCS target for the export variant, and up to 10 targets tracked and up to 4 engaged at once in air to air mode .In air to surface mode the radar can detect a tank from up to 25 km away and a bridge from 120 km away, a naval destroyer could be detected up to 300 km away and up to two surface targets can be tracked at once. The "antenna" is an electronically scanned slotted planar array.

Short range

R-60 - 8 km
R-73E - 20km
R-73M - 30km

BVR capability

R-27R/T -200 meters to 80 km
R-77 - 90 km
R-27ER/ET - 200 meters to 130 km★
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^^R-77

MiG-29SMT features over base model

*Longer range and flight endurance
*High combat effectiveness
*Superb agility
*High reliability and flight safety
*Easy operation and reduced DOC, up-to-date logistic support
*Advanced architecture of cockpit avionics and information control system, *HOTAS
*Integrated fire-control system consisting of upgraded radar fire-control system built around the ZHUK-ME advanced radar boasting longer operating ranges, multichannel firing and up-to-date air-to-surface modes, and of IR search and track system and helmet-mounted sight
*Up-to-date navigation, radio communication, electronic countermeasures, monitoring and recording systems as well as optronic and reconnaissance pods
*Modified weapon system including the RVV-AE, R-27ER1, R-27ET1, R-27R1, R-27T1, R-73E air-to-air missiles, the Kh-31A, Kh-31P, Kh-29T (TE), Kh-29L air-to-surface missiles, the KAB-500KR (OD), KAB-500L guided bombs, rockets, free-fall bombs and the GSh-301 built-in gun.

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HAVE YOUR SAY........ :)
 
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Hie,

Su-30mki is IAF's prime air superiority fighter and F-16 is PAF's.I feel rather than comparing jf-17 with MKI , comparing jf-17 with Mig-29 would make more sense !

* I have tried to keep the comparison as neutral as possible . Please correct me if I am wrong with any specifications !

*Please..don't troll and moreover don't reply to trolls..its a request !!


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Is there any chance this aircrafts can have a fight face to face??I mean MIG 29 and Jf 17 are for defending the Air territories right??We will probably send our SU-30 or MCRA to attack their territory and they will send their F-16's to attack ours.correct me if i am wrong
 
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Is there any chance this aircrafts can have a fight face to face??I mean MIG 29 and Jf 17 are for defending the Air territories right??We will probably send our SU-30 or MCRA to attack their territory and they will send their F-16's to attack ours.correct me if i am wrong

I felt the same ! ;) but its still better than comparing jf with mki !
 
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Hie,

Su-30mki is IAF's prime air superiority fighter and F-16 is PAF's.I feel rather than comparing jf-17 with MKI , comparing jf-17 with Mig-29 would make more sense !

* I have tried to keep the comparison as neutral as possible . Please correct me if I am wrong with any specifications !

*Please..don't troll and moreover don't reply to trolls..its a request !!


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Hello

With all due respect IMO comparing Mig-29k and JF-17 doesnt make any sense ( on paper). I put forth my analysis:

Thrust To Weight ( For sustained turn rates) - Mig29k has 20% more of this attribute as compared to JF-17

Climb Rate - Mikoyan Gurevich 29 ( Fulcrum) has a about twice the climb rate of jf-17.

Supermanouverability - Mig has it while jf doesnt.

In no terms is Jf-17 a match for Mig-29. A better comparison maybe against F-16 but from what I know the Mig-29 was designed specifically to counter F-16.

Given the same pilot is flying both the machines the Mig will win 99 percent of the times.
 
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Better comparison will be MiG-29 SMT & F-16 Block 52.....

BTW why are u comparing such a mature platform with a new platform....
 
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Hello

With all due respect IMO comparing Mig-29k and JF-17 doesnt make any sense ( on paper). I put forth my analysis:

Thrust To Weight ( For sustained turn rates) - Mig29k has 20% more of this attribute as compared to JF-17

Climb Rate - Mikoyan Gurevich 29 ( Fulcrum) has a about twice the climb rate of jf-17.

Supermanouverability - Mig has it while jf doesnt.

In no terms is Jf-17 a match for Mig-29. A better comparison maybe against F-16 but from what I know the Mig-29 was designed specifically to counter F-16.

Given the same pilot is flying both the machines the Mig will win 99 percent of the times.

You think I have posted those without reading em ?? :lol:

These forums are for discussing opinions of both sides and to know if there is something we missed !
 
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You think I have posted those without reading em ?? :lol:

These forums are for discussing opinions of both sides and to know if there is something we missed !

I didnt think anything about what you would have done before or after starting the thread. I just provided my point of view without any prejudice :whistle:. Sorry if you felt that I was having a notion of some kind. I am not very good at english or maybe its just the silent medium.
 
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Hay fellows, whats that is making you compare them with each other? Mig-29 will be superior until second block of JF-17 is out.. and even after that they will be only comparable, Mig-29 still taking the lead because of carrying dual engine and maneuverability gains. You know Indian Mig-29 will prove better even then you want to compare? May be you need something to be happy about otherwise at this stage of JF-17 development, comparison makes low, if not no sense.
 
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Better comparison will be MiG-29 SMT & F-16 Block 52.....

IAF's prime air superiority fighter = Su-30mki

PAF's prime air superiority fighter = F-16 Block 52

Comparing both of them would make more sense ! :)
 
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Hay fellows, whats that is making you compare them with each other? Mig-29 will be superior until second block of JF-17 is out.. and even after that they will be only comparable, Mig-29 still taking the lead because of carrying dual engine and maneuverability gains. You know Indian Mig-29 will prove better even then you want to compare? May be you need something to be happy about otherwise at this stage of JF-17 development, comparison makes low, if not no sense.

I we needed to be happy we should have compare JF-17 with Su-30 :cheesy:
 
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IAF's prime air superiority fighter = Su-30mki

PAF's prime air superiority fighter = F-16 Block 52

Comparing both of them would make more sense ! :)


Hey Beckham

Can you post the statistic of Su-30 mki , J-11 B and F-16 52 , F-15 E on this thread so we can have a comparison.

Regards
 
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IAF's prime air superiority fighter = Su-30mki

IAF's prime air superiority fighter = F-16 Block 52

Comparing both of them would make more sense ! :)

acha!!!

then why are u comparing a mature proven platform with a new platform....

we all know MiG-29 will kick JF any time

Mods close the thread...
 
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Hay fellows, whats that is making you compare them with each other? Mig-29 will be superior until second block of JF-17 is out.. and even after that they will be only comparable, Mig-29 still taking the lead because of carrying dual engine and maneuverability gains. You know Indian Mig-29 will prove better even then you want to compare? May be you need something to be happy about otherwise at this stage of JF-17 development, comparison makes low, if not no sense.

There are even dedicated threads to compare JF-17 with MKI.

http://www.defence.pk/forums/military-aviation/5354-su-30mki-jf-17-air-fight-7.html

I feel this comparison is more fair !
 
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acha!!!

then why are u comparing a mature proven platform with a new platform....

we all know MiG-29 will kick JF any time

Mods close the thread...

JF-17 has been inducted by the Pakistan Air Force even though undergoing further development. So I feel its worth comparing... :)
 
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