CM-400AKG: A tough job for the Indian Navy

[Su-11]

This is just an ballistic missile launched from an Aircraft. It will light up like diwali rockets on all radar screens on the Navy's ships. It is not a cruise missile like brahmos which is a stealthy ground hugging missile. It's just a cheap asss missile with questionable chinese components, for pisss poor PAF. perfect combi!


And no, you cannot guide a missile using an C band or L band radar onboard an AWACS. You need X band Radar onboard fighters to get a lockon.

 

[Cheetah786]

Unless weapons is employed by Indians its worthless

 

[Su-11]

And BTW, AWACS band radars cannot detect sea targets because of ground clutter. C and L band have longer wavelengths. you cannot use it for SAR ground target detection. Only shorted wavelengths radar's like X band can give yuo the kind of detail to give you a clear picture needed for ship detection. Even if those C and L band radars are used for ground targets you need to get really really close, which defeats te very purpose of having such a radar.

 

[GURU DUTT]

Unless weapons is employed by Indians its worthless

no sirji any wepon pakistan gets from all weather friends is invincible

sirji its good that you have a new wepon but we already have the appratus to counter it and the void will increase mani folds in the coming year just tell me even if your miisles range is 250Kms how will a JF 17 get at least that close to indian carrier withowt bieng shot off from the sky as owr crrier bound radars & heli born AWACS will detect your JF 17 much much earlier

 

[S.Y.A]

I'm using my brain and I know that most of the country generally follows that route,but you forgot one thing.the aircraft is from China wile you're using american P3c and another Nato Awacs.you'll going to have a heck of a trouble for that.Might be integration with Erieye possible,but P3c???thats where doubt remains..vy the way,not everytime,applying your brain,you can reached the right conclusion..see,we use various frech a2a missiles,as well as we use russian jets.but to integrate french missiles to russian jets,it needs permission as well as change in HW..and what you're suggesting is that JF-17 will fire the missile,but it'll be guided by AWACS,just like USA is working on F-22 and B-1 integration..that needs extensive integration.do China and Sweden will agree for that kind of integration??

what is the use of AWACS and MPA/MSA when its findings can not be used by jet fighters?

well sir three points
1. great if JF17 is linked with AWACS & P3 so will be indian Mig 29's with P8 , Phalcons & Indian fixwed winged & heli born AWACS whos range and leathelity is twice than yours if not more

2.India Carriers will not be alone but will be having a three tyre air defence mechanism + the MIG 29's have range that owr carrier dont have to come at least 500 miles near your shore how will you send your Jf17 any where near that

3.indians dont have onli to relay on carriers to blok pakistani sea routes a suqad of SU30MKI is enof for that which is having probally the best radar in this theater + it will soon have an ASEA & Bhramos firing ability (work has already in full swing) to anhilate all your air bases as they also have great wepon pakage even if we exclude Bhramos

and last but not the least how are you going to evade the GREEN pines , phalcons , Indian AWACS & the sam coverage as they can /will detect & destroy your offensive capabilty while being comfortablli in Indian teritorry

and even if you evade all that have you ever thought of the payback by the indians

you are day dreaming that is what it is, if everything was so easy india would have used its airforce when the two were facing off at the time of parliament attacks and mumbai attacks, keep on dreaming, it will help us, over confidence will be your undoing

This is just an ballistic missile launched from an Aircraft. It will light up like diwali rockets on all radar screens on the Navy's ships. It is not a cruise missile like brahmos which is a stealthy ground hugging missile. It's just a cheap asss missile with questionable chinese components, for pisss poor PAF. perfect combi!


And no, you cannot guide a missile using an C band or L band radar onboard an AWACS. You need X band Radar onboard fighters to get a lockon.

whatever its speed is so much that by the time your SAMs try to counter it , it will already be sticking in your butt

 

[Su-11]

If AWACS is employed for ground targets then it has to first use its radar as an SAR. Using a Radar in the SAR modemeans it's range will have to be sacrificed to be of any use, to find relatrively small ships in the vast expanse of the sea. Bascially SAR means using the radar as a Camera.. the radar Sees like a video camera and very tiny blimps on the water surface appear on the LCD display which the pilot assums to be ships. Then using doppler Beam sharpning focuses on the blimps and sees what kind of a ship it is, if at all its visible. Then afetr that gets a lockon and launches the missile. So in order to identify his target he has to get really really close as smaller the distance the better is the target's resolution.

Lauching at Ground targets is a lot different than launching at Air targets. As different as the difference between Earth and the sky. You just canot turn on your radar and get a lockon like you do for air targetrs. Ground targets is a totally different ball game. Beside does Erieye even have doppler beam sharpning? let alone the missile's radar. The missiles nose size looks totally small to be able to pack that much amount of avionics to get the kind of detail i'm talking about to achive a lock after lauch capability. Chinese always exagerate their junk... due to their low self esteem and the quality of the products they make.

 

[Su-11]

whatever its speed is so much that by the time your SAMs try to counter it , it will already be sticking in your butt

Even if its fast it still has to come to where the SAM is(onbaord ships). so your missile will be heading straight to a sam. You dont even have to intercept it an an angle as your missile will be coming staright towards a SAM. The moment a missile is detected its as good as dead. That's why the world is moving towards stealthy cruise missiles. I mean every country in the world is going towards Cruise missiles. Your Pathetic Airforce(and maybe the inexperienced Chinese Airforce which hasn't fought a single war) is the only one who is going to induct this junk. Think about it.

 

[GURU DUTT]

what is the use of AWACS and MPA/MSA when its findings can not be used by jet fighters?



you are day dreaming that is what it is, if everything was so easy india would have used its airforce when the two were facing off at the time of parliament attacks and mumbai attacks, keep on dreaming, it will help us, over confidence will be your undoing



whatever its speed is so much that by the time your SAMs try to counter it , it will already be sticking in your butt

1.about the first part well sir thatsthe point which pakistanies dont want to beleave but there is no AWACS on earth that can guide a AA or AS or AG missile to its target while its launched from the other platform

AWACS job is to detect and track any target and alert & share information with the air based and land based offensive platforms its job is not to guide missiles

2.well we indians dont pull owt a gun and start fighting when things are not going as planned we use diplomacy and other methods like we used it against pakistan and musharraf had to close down all the terror camps in pakistan and stop active support to these people care to take a look there my point was how will you attack owr sea based assets without bieng detected and destroyed by owr assets first and your not the onli one to have such capabilities to my knowledge we have better and in bigger qwantity than you

3. well same applies with Bhramos tell me how much time it will take bharmos to get to its target (all your asstes are 150-200Km's from indian borders) and how much time your asstes will take to reach indian targets and the opposition both have to face

 

[Kompromat]

The missile carries its own guidance/targeting system.

 

[GR!FF!N]

what is the use of AWACS and MPA/MSA when its findings can not be used by jet fighters?

AWACS generally identifies threat from a longer distance as well as give that info to fighter squads so that they can intercept them properly.AWACS' job is not guiding missiles..their job is to work as a command and control center.

 

[Kompromat]

is it a ballistic missile? is it maneuverable in its terminal phase? heck I dont even believe it can reach 240 km with a rocket motor that small and even if it hits the ship the warhead is too small to sink the ship...

At hypersonic speed velocity a projectile like this in a nose dive will penetrate all the way through a ship, exploding after penetration. Any ship will be destroyed, IN air craft carrier will be made redundant for the rest of the active hostilities period if not sunk.

 

[IndianArmy]

is it a ballistic missile? is it maneuverable in its terminal phase? heck I dont even believe it can reach 240 km with a rocket motor that small and even if it hits the ship the warhead is too small to sink the ship...

The warhead is not necessary, its sheer kinetic energy is enough to penetrate the armor, if the statistics are correct.

It is not indestructible as argued here. It can be Jammed or decoyed or even confused at various stages of flight by employing a combination of active and passive measures or ASBM Kill Chain as we call it.

 

[xuxu1457]

The next generation of Anti-ship missiles of China will be supersonic+subsonic type, Subsonic cruise and supersonic penetration at attack phase; This can make sure smaller, lighter and long-range

 

[Kompromat]

The warhead is not necessary, its sheer kinetic energy is enough to penetrate the armor, if the statistics are correct.

What if some day this system carries a tactical EMP device instead of a fragmentation or penetration warhead, blasting right in the middle of a naval vessel formation. That will drop the cigar out of the mission commander's mouth.

 

[Safriz]

is it a ballistic missile? is it maneuverable in its terminal phase? heck I dont even believe it can reach 240 km with a rocket motor that small and even if it hits the ship the warhead is too small to sink the ship...

Imagine shaped charge at mach 4+

the missile has apogee of 50km..

Exact perimeters of launch aren't publicly disclosed,but this being in an air launch situation,the aircraft will be at an altitude and at a speed...
If the aircraft is already at mach 0.9 then that sped will add to missiles speed and the missile being in thinner atmosphere will suffer far less drag and acceleration will be easier....
Looking at these two conditions,the missile is likely to attain the speed mentioned,despite being small...