CM-400AKG: A tough job for the Indian Navy

[GR!FF!N]

Taking out AWACS will limit detecting range of the enemy.

thats true..but large targets like a ship can be detected by ship borne radars too..but yes,K-100 will help us to shoot down the AWACS without any significant risk..

 

[rockstarIN]

But it says range is 200/250 kms ?

Range of the missile, how will you 'lead' the missile into the target? Suppose you have a gun with a range of 1.5 km. But you can only see 500 meter. Then how will you aim a target which is at 1.5 km away?

 

[Markus]

Range of the missile, how will you 'lead' the missile into the target? Suppose you have a gun with a range of 1.5 km. But you can only see 500 meter. Then how will you aim a target which is at 1.5 km away?

But if the delivery system has to come as close as 80 kms of the target then whats the point in having a range of 200 kms?

 

[rockstarIN]

For bigger target , detection range is much larger than 80KM. Bigger target like AC can be detected by an Aircraft form 200-300 KM. But the big question is , can that aircraft have lock on AC from that far????


Carrier killer is old dream, but yet its not easy to have a carrier killer..

Always look down mode of the radar will have lesser range than A2A range.

You need a lock on the target (which is moving in the sea) to launch a missile. You might able to detect it but for a lock on, you need to get more close. Also it is not always the bigger the RCS the more 'range' of the radar. You need a bigger antenna, more power etc else it is gutter.

 

[OrionHunter]

Pretty sexy lookin' eh?

I wonder what type of warhead it has? Probably a Penetrating Submunition or a warhead having Dual Purpose Improved Conventional Bomblets or a High Explosive warhead? Or is it just a pure kinetic energy warhead, seeing that its terminal velocity is <> Mach 5?

 

[rockstarIN]

like i said jf-17 will be linked with AWACS and P3s, so no need to go that near, and even if the detection range is 70km, your ships dont have SAMs of that much range to take out the launching platform

Awacs can't guide a missile in to the target. It can detect only. You need ACs to get close into the target for the same. Gambit explained well in the last CM-400 thread.

Barak-8 have 70 km range which is/will be in our destroyers.

 

[Beerbal]

like i said jf-17 will be linked with AWACS and P3s, so no need to go that near, and even if the detection range is 70km, your ships dont have SAMs of that much range to take out the launching platform

Is it possible? @gambit, Is it possible to have a lock with help of AWACS? Does Pakistan has this capability? if not by when Pakistan can have this capability?

Let me elaborate the question: AWACS has 500KM detection range and 300Km locking range (if any), can a fighter (F22 with locking range 200Km (assumption)) lock from 300Km and fire the missile?

Which country has this technology?

 

[rockstarIN]

But if the delivery system has to come as close as 80 kms of the target then whats the point in having a range of 200 kms?

Can integrate other plat forms which can attack from far away like maritime petrol aircraft, duel engine large jets like F-15s J-1x series of Chinese jets.

Can achieve higher range when the launching air craft is closing in at higher speed.

 

[Markus]

Can integrate other plat forms which can attack from far away like maritime petrol aircraft, duel engine large jets like F-15s J-1x series of Chinese jets.

Can achieve higher range when the launching air craft is closing in at higher speed.

But as you mentioned the delivery system (whichever that may be) has to be within 80 kms of target to launch this missile right ?

 

[Bratva]

while Cm-400 AKG(though some source still claims that it is under development) has range around 240 km,but integration with JF-17 is a bad move as JF-17's radar is much inferior and max range(though still not published clearly) is around 120 km(some pakistani member might want to clear this doubt as some members suggested that look down mode generally has lesser range than A2A mode).so,whatever it is,if JF-17 has to take shot,it'll have to be dangerously close to fire that missile,well within CBG's Air Defence as well as Fighter escorts.and as for deploying Aircraft carrier against Pakistan,we don't have to as mostly Airforce will be used to do that job.

Publicly disclosed figure is JF-17 has a range of 135 KM for 5 m^2 rcs

Always look down mode of the radar will have lesser range than A2A range.

You need a lock on the target (which is moving in the sea) to launch a missile. You might able to detect it but for a lock on, you need to get more close. Also it is not always the bigger the RCS the more 'range' of the radar. You need a bigger antenna, more power etc else it is gutter.

Missile doesn't need lock on from launch aircraft, due to guidance options available, it has capability of lock on after launch,so aircraft doesn't need to come close to any thing, it can safely launch the missile from 200 KM away and you didn't read the article correctly

 

[Bratva]

It is a fire-and-forget precision-guided weapon that can be fitted with several seeker options, which are understood to include an active radar seeker and an imaging infrared seeker with target-recognition (TR) capabilities. PAF sources say the missile can be pre-programmed with digital imagery for highly precise attacks against fixed sites in TR mode, but it can also be re-targeted in flight by using the radar seeker option.

Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/indian...0akg-tough-job-indian-navy.html#ixzz2VQavE5om

 

[rockstarIN]

But as you mentioned the delivery system (whichever that may be) has to be within 80 kms of target to launch this missile right ?

The missile will have active radar terminal target acquisition I Believe. You need to 'guide' it till it is near the target when the missile can detect the target and lock on to it. 80 kms is an average distance I put since it will be integrated into JFT or Mirage. You can have platforms which can attack form higher range.

Publicly disclosed figure is JF-17 has a range of 135 KM for 5 m^2 rcs



Missile doesn't need lock on from launch aircraft, due to guidance options available, it has capability of lock on after launch,so aircraft doesn't need to come close to any thing, it can safely launch the missile from 200 KM away and you didn't read the article correctly

Missile's radar do not have much range, you need to give active radar support to the missile even in post launch.

Launching away from 200 km without any idea of the target, thinking that the missile will lock on into it once it near the target?

 

[Bratva]

The missile will have active radar terminal target acquisition I Believe. You need to 'guide' it till it is near the target when the missile can detect the target and lock on to it. 80 kms is an average distance I put since it will be integrated into JFT or Mirage. You can have platforms which can attack form higher range.



Missile's radar do not have much range, you need to give active radar support to the missile even in post launch.

Launching away from 200 km without any idea of the target, thinking that the missile will lock on into it once it near the target?

Doesn't brahmos work this way too? you Launching Brahmos from a ship 200-250 KM away from the target and it will find the target ship and would annihilate it?

 

[Major Shaitan Singh]

Any odd bullshit missile Pakistan gets from China is a "KILLER"

First one need to understand the missile lock on capability and power of the Radar of Aircraft.

When the aircaft lockon data will pass on the missile, how far the aircraft should from the battle group

If the aircraft radar range is 120 KM look down then this missile is useless and will not be able to kill CBG

Airborne early warning
The key to successful anti-air warfare is airborne early warning. If attacking units can be identified before they reach their launch points then the battle can occur at the outer air-battle screen rather than the inner screen. An AEW unit in a race-track loiter 100 nautical miles (190 km) ahead of the PIM, with a fighter escort, is perfect.


The outer air battle
In this area the interceptor aircraft of the Combat Air Patrol (CAP) are the principal element, whether originating from a CVBG or land base. CAP units protecting units other than their home base are called LORCAP (LOng Range CAP).

The inner air battle
Within the main body, ship-based AAW is the main protection. AAW shooters are, in best practice, positioned to provide both layered and overlapping coverage. The optimum firing position is directly between the target and the inbound missiles. If the missile passes a unit on a tangent (a crossing shot) the probability of a kill (Pk) is greatly reduced.

we just need to block the sea lane off Pakistan our Missile boat will be in 200 KM and CBG may stand between 350 to 500 KM from sea shore, this is Planned well back in 80's .... Navy is fully capable of doing so and

what about our Submarines....

They will kick holes on any ship coming within 300 KM of PAK coast.

 

[GURU DUTT]

like i said jf-17 will be linked with AWACS and P3s, so no need to go that near, and even if the detection range is 70km, your ships dont have SAMs of that much range to take out the launching platform

well sir three points
1. great if JF17 is linked with AWACS & P3 so will be indian Mig 29's with P8 , Phalcons & Indian fixwed winged & heli born AWACS whos range and leathelity is twice than yours if not more

2.India Carriers will not be alone but will be having a three tyre air defence mechanism + the MIG 29's have range that owr carrier dont have to come at least 500 miles near your shore how will you send your Jf17 any where near that

3.indians dont have onli to relay on carriers to blok pakistani sea routes a suqad of SU30MKI is enof for that which is having probally the best radar in this theater + it will soon have an ASEA & Bhramos firing ability (work has already in full swing) to anhilate all your air bases as they also have great wepon pakage even if we exclude Bhramos

and last but not the least how are you going to evade the GREEN pines , phalcons , Indian AWACS & the sam coverage as they can /will detect & destroy your offensive capabilty while being comfortablli in Indian teritorry

and even if you evade all that have you ever thought of the payback by the indians