Civil war in Ukraine: News & discussion

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Obama will sign Russia sanctions bill without imposing new penalties: White House| Reuters

Looks like Obama chickened out at the last minute and therefore no US weapons for Ukraine. Once negotiation on December 21 breaks down because Ukraine will not give autonomy to Donbas, the counteroffensive will begin

 

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Obama will sign Russia sanctions bill without imposing new penalties: White House| Reuters

Looks like Obama chickened out and therefore no US weapons for Ukraine. Once negotiation on December 21 breaks down because Ukraine will not give autonomy to Donbas, the counteroffensive will begin

Hahahaha, this is just a message. What US sanctions or not is irelevant as US does very little trade with Russia. On the other hand, EU just agreed on new round of sanctions yesterday. The message is, screws will keep tightening, but still here's a good will gesture to let Russians know the western block can back down.

 

[Superboy]

old vid from the summer looks like

Hahahaha, this is just a message. What US sanctions or not is irelevant as US does very little trade with Russia. On the other hand, EU just agreed on new round of sanctions yesterday. The message is, screws will keep tightening, but still here's a good will gesture to let Russians know the western block can back down.

EU may impose sanctions, but China and India will not. EU would disintegrate if enough damage is done to EU, while Russia will not be harmful due to increasing support from China and India. EU dies, Putin dances.

 

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EU may impose sanctions, but China and India will not. EU would disintegrate if enough damage is done to EU, while Russia will not be harmful due to increasing support from China and India. EU dies, Putin dances.

lel....

 

[Superboy]

The US did Maidan in Ukraine with the aim of destroying two things the US does not like. One is EU. The other is Russia. Looks like EU will get it this time.

 

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The US did Maidan in Ukraine with the aim of destroying two things the US does not like. One is EU. The other is Russia. Looks like EU will get it this time.

Yes, soon™.

 

[Superboy]

Yes, soon™.

Boeing no like Airbus taking its profit. Lockheed no like EADS taking its profit. The US says, EU be gone

China Prepares To Bailout Russia | Zero Hedge

Russia may seek China help to deal with crisis | South China Morning Post

 

[Superboy]

Looks like Obama still stuck on Crimea No, Crimeans will not change their citizenships from Russian to Ukrainian.

Ukraine Live Day 304: EU Not To Relax Sanctions As Shelling Continues In Lugansk Region | The Interpreter

Also, is EU really banning tourism in Crimea? As in not allowing anyone in EU to travel to Crimea? If so, that would be silly. Chinese come to Crimea beaches ja ja ja

 

[Hindustani78]

Donetsk Rebel Leaders to Push for More Territory at Minsk Talks | News | The Moscow Times

• The Moscow Times
• Dec. 18 2014 21:04
• Last edited 21:04

The leaders of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People's Republic plan to push for more east Ukrainian territory at a Dec. 21 round of peace talks in Minsk, RIA Novosti reported Thursday.

"The agenda will include questions on withdrawing heavy equipment, the armistice, prisoners' exchange, the removal of economic blockades, and the special status of the Donbass [region of eastern Ukraine]," Denis Pushilin, the republic's spokesman, said in comments carried by state news agency RIA Novosti.

"At the negotiations, we will insist on expanding the borders [of the self-proclaimed republic] to meet the borders of the Donetsk region. We want to achieve that peacefully, by political means," Pushilin said.

Currently, Ukrainian troops occupy part of the territory that Pushilin referred to. The talks are set to include representatives of Russia, the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe and Pushilin, on behalf of the separatists.

Leaders of the self-proclaimed republics of Luhansk and Donetsk proclaimed their sovereignty in May, refusing to recognize the new authorities in Kiev and declaring the establishment of a territory called Novorossia.

The battle between Ukrainian troops and pro-Russian separatist fighters throughout the ensuing conflict claimed about 4,700 civilian lives, according to the latest data available from the United Nations. Another 10,000 civilians were injured throughout the conflict.

Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko confirmed the talks during a visit to Warsaw on Wednesday, saying "there was hope" that they would take place on Sunday, the Interfax news agency reported.

The negotiations had initially been scheduled for earlier this month, but they were pushed back so that the parties could agree on the topics to be discussed.

 

[Superboy]

Donetsk Rebel Leaders to Push for More Territory at Minsk Talks | News | The Moscow Times

• The Moscow Times
• Dec. 18 2014 21:04
• Last edited 21:04

The leaders of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People's Republic plan to push for more east Ukrainian territory at a Dec. 21 round of peace talks in Minsk, RIA Novosti reported Thursday.

"The agenda will include questions on withdrawing heavy equipment, the armistice, prisoners' exchange, the removal of economic blockades, and the special status of the Donbass [region of eastern Ukraine]," Denis Pushilin, the republic's spokesman, said in comments carried by state news agency RIA Novosti.

"At the negotiations, we will insist on expanding the borders [of the self-proclaimed republic] to meet the borders of the Donetsk region. We want to achieve that peacefully, by political means," Pushilin said.

Currently, Ukrainian troops occupy part of the territory that Pushilin referred to. The talks are set to include representatives of Russia, the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe and Pushilin, on behalf of the separatists.

Leaders of the self-proclaimed republics of Luhansk and Donetsk proclaimed their sovereignty in May, refusing to recognize the new authorities in Kiev and declaring the establishment of a territory called Novorossia.

The battle between Ukrainian troops and pro-Russian separatist fighters throughout the ensuing conflict claimed about 4,700 civilian lives, according to the latest data available from the United Nations. Another 10,000 civilians were injured throughout the conflict.

Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko confirmed the talks during a visit to Warsaw on Wednesday, saying "there was hope" that they would take place on Sunday, the Interfax news agency reported.

The negotiations had initially been scheduled for earlier this month, but they were pushed back so that the parties could agree on the topics to be discussed.

Donetsk and Lugansk republics are each bigger than Israel by quite a margin, and are self sufficient. Oblast borders is a bottom line.

 

[Hindustani78]

Thursday, December 18. DNIPROPETROVSK OBLAST — New fortified fire position developed by Zaporizhjya enterprise for ATO needs was tested at military range.
New fortified fire position tested in Dnipropetrovsk region - Міністерство оборони України

MONUSCO: 18th DHU trains for rotation - Міністерство оборони України

MONUSCO: 18th DHU trains for rotation
Thursday, December 18. LVIV OBLAST — The personnel of the 18th DHU undergo operational coordination in the framework of preparation for next rotation to MONUSCO.

The personnel were selected considering their ATO experience. The flight crews will work out a range of various issues in cooperation with ground support crews. SAR specialists have their own training program.

This training is primarily aimed at enhancement of pilots, engineer skills, as well as skills of support units.

The pilots completed two flight duty periods on Mi-24 and Mi-8 helicopters.

Ukraine's Defense Ministry in early 2015 will get modern anti-mortar radars - Ukroboronprom
18 December 2014

Ukroboronprom State Concern has signed a contract with U.S.-based Defense Technology Inc. on the delivery of AN/TPQ-49 anti-mortar radars for the Defense Ministry of Ukraine.

According to the press service of Ukroboronprom, the contract for the supply of these radars was signed by Ukrinmash (part of Ukroboronprom).

"AN/TPQ-49 anti-mortar radars will make effective action against enemy artillery. These devices are able to immediately determine the place from which the fire is conducted, missile and artillery systems. The range is from 50 meters to 10 kilometers. The accuracy of determining the coordinates of the enemy is up to 75 meters at a distance of 5 kilometers. Modern AN/TPQ-49 radars are in service around the world," the press service of the state concern said.

UN opens office in Donetsk - watch on - uatoday.tv

United Nations open office following their report on humanitarian disaster in occupied Donbas region

The United Nations has opened an office in Ukraine's insurgent-occupied Donetsk region in order to work with civilians currently living in the conflict zone, according to the UN Under-Secretary-General for Political Affairs Jeffrey D. Feltman.

During a meeting with Ukraine's Parliament Speaker Volodymer Groysman, The UN official also underlined the organisation's readiness to send more humanitarian aid to Ukraine.

The UN recently issued a 27-page report detailing the extent of the humanitarian crisis in east Ukraine. According to the study at least 4,600 people have been killed and 10,000 wounded in the conflict between Ukrainian troops and Russian-backed insurgents.

The organisation also says the insurgents have created a criminal state in the occupied regions with the help of ‘foreign fighters', a reference to the large number of Russian troops in the region.

 

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The range is from 50 meters to 10 kilometers. The accuracy of determining the coordinates of the enemy is up to 75 meters at a distance of 5 kilometers.

10 km range is bad. Accuracy is pathetic. Mortar rounds have a lethal radius of about 10 to 20 meters. 75 meters accuracy at only 5 km is totally unacceptable. Rebels typically don't use mortars anymore. They typically use MRLS that have range at least 20 km.

Modern AN/TPQ-49 radars are in service around the world

Around the world? Really? I don't see one in China

 

[Hindustani78]

TPQ-49 radars are deployed in Iraq and Afghanistan.

EU may impose sanctions, but China and India will not. EU would disintegrate if enough damage is done to EU, while Russia will not be harmful due to increasing support from China and India. EU dies, Putin dances.

EU will not die because both Chinese and Indians are even investing in EU and its even vice verse. EU wants to target Chinese and Indian production market and invest in that sector and bring good from there back to Europe and keep the Euro stable and be the currency.

Russia selling its foreign reserves but does anyone knows its in which currency Dollars or Euros ?

 

[Hindustani78]

Five more Ukrainian soldiers killed despite truce: Kiev military| Reuters
Fri Dec 19, 2014

(Reuters) - Kiev's military said on Friday five Ukrainian soldiers had been killed and seven wounded in attacks by pro-Russian separatists in the past 24 hours, a larger than normal death toll compared with recent weeks.

A September ceasefire has been repeatedly flouted by both sides, but shelling lessened significantly in December, fuelling hopes of de-escalation of the conflict which has killed over 4,700 people since April.

"For now there's only firing from firearms, they are not using tanks or artillery. We cannot say that the situation has escalated," military spokesman Andriy Lysenko said in a televised briefing.

(Reporting by Pavel Polityuk; Writing by Alessandra Prentice; Editing by Dominic Evans)


Militants attack 4,311 times during ‘ceasefire’ : UNIAN news

There have been more than 4,300 attacks on Ukrainian army positions by Russian-backed insurgents in eastern Ukraine since the beginning of the ceasefire on September 5, Acting Speaker of the General Staff of Ukraine Vladyslav Selezniov said on Friday.

REUTERS
"Russian-backed insurgents have fired on Ukrainian army positions 4,311 times since the beginning of the ceasefire on September 5," he said at a briefing in Kyiv, according to an UNIAN correspondent.

"Moreover, there have been 128 attacks on Ukrainian army positions since the beginning of the latest ceasefire on December 9," Selezniov added.

 

[vostok]

Today was given the last Russian passport in Crimea. In 9 months were given 1.56 million passports.