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The legislation would authorise $350 million in military assistance – including anti-tank and anti-armour weapons, ammunition, counter-artillery radars and surveillance drones – for fiscal year 2015.

And that $350 million has been authorized by the Congress. Why would President Obama will not sign that ?


350 million won't do anything. Won't even send a tank. The bill only escalates the situation, it does not change the calculus on the ground, certainly the capitals Donetsk and Lugansk are too fortified to be taken by Ukrainian army.
 
350 million won't do anything. Won't even send a tank. The bill only escalates the situation, it does not change the calculus on the ground, certainly the capitals Donetsk and Lugansk are too fortified to be taken by Ukrainian army.

NATO will not simply give things nor EU before completely joining NATO allies. Already the process has been started and NATO allies are giving training to Ukrainian soldiers.
 
NATO will not simply give things nor EU before completely joining NATO allies. Already the process has been started and NATO allies are giving training to Ukrainian soldiers.


By training they mean push ups. Those trainings are useless. Combat experience is key. The war has been going on for nearly a year. It is much better to have veterans train rather than having green American soldiers train.

Ukraine doesn't have a single 5.56 by 45 bullet. Logistics would be a nightmare. The US would have to spend billions just on bullets alone.
 
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By training they mean push ups. Those trainings are useless. Combat experience is key. The war has been going on for nearly a year. It is much better to have veterans train rather than having green American soldiers train.

Ukraine doesn't have a single 5.56 by 45 bullet. Logistics would be a nightmare. The US would have to spend billions just on bullets alone.

NATO allies cant just give everything to Ukraine in one time. Step by step things will change depending on the regional and international politics. United states and Canada have already started providing assistance to the Ukrainian military.

Ukrainian and foreign military share SAR experience - Міністерство оборони України

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A million Ukrainians expected to travel to Poland without visas : UNIAN news
17.12.2014 |

President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko and President of Poland Bronislaw Komorowski held talks on Wednesday in Poland on making it easier for Ukrainians to visit their neighbor to the west.

"We talked about the possibility of enhancing local border traffic,” Poroshenko said at a joint press conference with Komorowski in Warsaw, according to UNIAN’s correspondent in Poland.

Nearly one million of Ukrainians will be able to cross the border under the [local] border traffic regime," he said.

The two presidents also discussed a number of issues related to bilateral cooperation, particularly, cooperation between the countries in the European integration sphere.

Komorowski said Poland would continue to share with Ukraine its European integration experience and will look for new ways to transfer knowledge to Ukrainian officials.

"We should help Ukraine in its defense and European integration," Komorowski said.

As reported earlier, on December 17, during an official visit of the Ukrainian president to Poland, the representatives of both countries have signed, among other documents, a protocol on an agreement on local border traffic.

As stated at the Ukrainian Embassy in Poland, "the main changes that have been introduced to the protocol are an extension of the list of administrative-territorial units in Ukraine by four settlements, an extension of the [period of] continuous stay of citizens of both countries within the border zone of another state up to 90 days from each time of crossing the border, as well as the cancellation of the fee for the issuing of second and subsequent permits."

Ukraine could get visa-free EU travel at May 2015 Riga summit (Video) : UNIAN news

17.12.2014

The long-awaited decision to grant Ukrainian visa-free travel to Schengen states might come in May 2015 at an EU Eastern Partnership Summit, according to Latvia’s foreign minister.
But Edgars Rinkevics also said that, before being granted such access, Ukraine and Georgia must undertake several reforms, including on judicial cooperation with the EU, Ukraine Today has reported.

With $2 million in EU aid, Ukraine will be ready from January, 1, 2015 to produce the biometric passports required for it to have a visa-free regime with the EU.


So its already happening , more Eastern Europeans inside Western Europe, United states, Canada, Australia and New Zealand.
 
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"The Artist", before the war, worked as a builder
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"The Hunter", before the war worked as a miner.
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"Squirrel", before the war worked as a security guard.
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"Semen", before war worked as a driver.
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"Mora", before the war worked as a builder.
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"Shura" before the war, worked as a miner.
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"The Storm" before the war, worked as a miner.
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"Biker" before the war worked as a butcher.
All of them from Donetsk.
 
Russia's Retaliation Imminent as Obama Gives Go Signal for Sanctions Risking EU Rift
The United States will push through with more sanctions over Russia as the White House confirms the president's plan to sign the new bill passed. According to reports, President Barrack Obama has signaled to sign the legislation imposing more pressure on Vladimir Putin while sending aid toUkraine. Will the bill bring more good or the other way around?

The US president was not on board with the plans to sanction Russia more but the Congress found a way to pass the bill without so much opposition. According to The New York Times, White House press secretary Josh Earnest confirms: "The president does intend to sign the piece of legislation that was passed by Congress."

The official also adds: "But we do have some concerns about that legislation because while it preserves flexibility, it does send a confusing message to our allies because it includes some sanctions language that does not reflect the consultations that are ongoing."

The press secretary goes as far to say that Russia's problems at the moment are the country's or the president's own doing. According toEarnest: "It's a sign of the failure of Vladimir Putin's strategy to try to buck up his country."

"Right now, he and his country are isolated from the broader international community." He added.

According to Financial Times, regardless of the intentions of the legislation, signing the bill has concerned many particularly for possible European implications. The legislation can cause a rift between the US and its European allies. Although the sanctions may have limited immediate impact, they do offer groundwork to execute tougher regulations like what happened in Iran.

Russian warned previously that if the US will push for more sanctions then the country will respond. The impending sanctions threaten to affect a range of weapons companies transacting with Russia. Deputy foreign minister Sergei Ryabkov shared with Interfax (via Newsweek) that the country "will not be able to leave this without a response." Further, Ryabkov said that theUkraine Freedom Support Act may "destroy the carcass of cooperation" existing between Russia and the US.

According to reports, Russia is bound to act to a certain extent following the sanctions.

heroes of New Russia
All of them from Donetsk.

Ukrainian Nazis and Chechen Wahabis now appear to be working together

Interesting news this morning: Khasan Zakaev, one of the terrorist which organized and executed the 2002 attack against the Dubrovka theater in Moscow and an aid to Shamil Basaev was arrested in Crimea when he tried to enter from the Ukraine with false documents.


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I very much doubt that Zakaev wanted to visit Crimea to enjoy the beautiful sights, sample the local cuisine or to relax on the seashore. Not coming from the Ukraine. Not with fake documents. In fact, I would argue that it is pretty darn obvious that if he took the huge risk of entering not just any Russian territory, but a highly monitored and secured one, he was there on a mission.

Considering the quasi-official Ukrainian support for Wahabism in Chechnia, it is also superlatively likely that the SBU knew about this mission and, at the very least, gave its tacit support for it. After all, since members of the Ukrainian Rada did openly support the recent terrorist operation in Grozny, and since a former commander of the Azov death squad and now Member of the Rada openly called for the murder of Ramzan Kadyrov, it only makes sense for the Ukrainian Nazis to be sending Chechen Wahabis into Russia to commit more terrorist attacks.
Beautiful, no? The US, the EU, NATO and their allies are now openly supporting a Nazi-Wahabi alliance against Russia.
Ramzan Kadyrov always calls the Wahabi terrorists "shaitans", or devils. I think that this also fully applies to the rabid Ukrainian Nazis. But if we want to be logical here, shouldn't this apply first and foremost to their masters?
Was the late Ayatollah Khomeini not absolutely spot-on when he spoke of the "shaitan-e bozorg", the "Great Satan"?

Would "Hizb-Shaitan" (Party of the Devil) not be an accurate descriptor for the AngloZionist Empire today?
The Saker


The illegal arrest of Giulietto Chiesa - yet another example of European hypocrisy

by Leonardo
On December 15, 2014 the Italian reporter Giulietto Chiesa, who had been invited to take part in a conference in Tallinn on Russian-European relations, was detained by the Estonian authorities for a few hours after being declared "persona non grata". Facts appear to point to a deliberate move on the part of the Estonian authorities meant to prevent the journalist from attending the conference, thus censoring the speech he was supposed to deliver.
Before diving into the facts, a little background info intended as a frame of reference.

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Giulietto Chiesa, journalist and MEP
Giulietto Chiesa is an Italian journalist and former member of the European Parliament. He has been correspondent from Moscow for two different italian newspapers (La Stampa and L'Unità) for 20 years, since 1980.

In Italy he is presently marginalized for his very critical opinions on a few issues which the mainstream media still consider as taboo. Chiesa is a member of the 9/11 Consensus Panel, a board whose goal is "to provide the world with a clear statement, based on expert independent opinion, of some of the best evidence opposing the official narrative about 9/11". He is also known for being very vocal in opposing western imperialism and the hysterical russophobia that is being spread by the mainstream media. He wrote many articles condemning NATO aggression against Libya, the destabilization of Syria, the eastward expansion of NATO and the western backed coup in Kiev.

According to the Estonian Public Broadcasting, Chiesa was invited in Tallinn on December 15, 2014 by the Impressum NGO to attend a conference titled "Should Europe fear Russia?". Apparently, Estonian authorities consider the Impressum NGO as a russian propaganda proxy. Chiesa had already spoken at Impressum events twice before.

According to Chiesa, he arrived in Tallinn at 12.45 and gave an interview to an Estonian TV channel, had lunch and then went back to his hotel room in order to complete the preparation for the speech he was supposed to give at 19.00.

One and a half hours before the appointed time, a group of four Estonian policemen knocked on his room's door and took him into custody, intimating him to follow them to the local police station. Chiesa was later informed that he was being detained because he was the target of an entry ban signed on 13 December 2014 and valid for one month. He stated that he repeatedly asked the police to show him the related documents but his requests were denied. He was jailed for four hours, until the arrival of the Italian Ambassador, who managed to have him released a few hours later, after applying diplomatic pressure.

While the incident made the first page of a few Italian online newspapers it didn't get much attention on the Italian television networks, that at most mentioned it casually.

The incident caused some diplomatic friction between Italy and Estonia and the Estonian Ambassador in Rome was summoned by the Italian Foreign Minister looking for answers.

It also prompted inquiries in both the Italian and European Parliament where a group of representatives (mostly belonging to the leftist list "The Other Europe with Tsipras") filed a protest against what they suspect might constitute an extralegal detention, a violation of the Treaty on European Union, the European Convention on Human Rights and the European Charter on Fundamental Rights.

The Estonian authorities perspective is that Chiesa is a security threat and the detention was justified.

Legal aspects notwithstanding, the detention of Chiesa clearly appears to be motivated by censorship and intimidation: the Estonian authorities are openly troubled by the Italian reporter opinions and they acted to prevent him from sharing them with the few hundred people who were attending the conference. The accusation that Chiesa is some kind of Russian agent of propaganda and as such is a threat to the Estonian state does feel like an excuse: if he really was an immediate and serious danger they would never release him after just a few hours. Which makes the urgency of the detention suspect at best. Also, the timing of the ban, just a few days before Chiesa was to attend the conference, suggests very strongly that the measure was surgically targeted.

What's really troubling - actually, outrageous - is that, no matter if laws were broken or the authorities abused their power, a EU country has infringed on the freedom of speech right of a European citizen, journalist and former member of the parliament. Apparently, the Estonian government - and not the Estonian citizens who could attend the conference and debate or criticize the speech - gets to decide what is Russian propaganda and what isn't. The message is crystal clear and even intimidating. Just think about how a much less renowned journalist could react after realizing that expressing any harshly critical opinion that doesn't measure to the standards of what the authorities consider legit criticism could get him/her branded as a security threat and a Russian agent.

It would also be interesting to know what the authorities of all the other western countries who maintain a heavy state sponsored NGO presence abroad think of the Estonian authorities attitude towards NGOs accused of being instruments of Russian propaganda. If they share the evaluation then how can the double standard be logically reconciled?

This incident casts another shadow on Europe and suggests that the tearing of the democratic fabric and the degeneration of the common sense that follows in the wake of the anti-Russian media campaign might be slowly spreading to the whole continent.

POSTED BY VINEYARDSAKER:
 
Russia's Retaliation Imminent as Obama Gives Go Signal for Sanctions Risking EU Rift
The United States will push through with more sanctions over Russia as the White House confirms the president's plan to sign the new bill passed. According to reports, President Barrack Obama has signaled to sign the legislation imposing more pressure on Vladimir Putin while sending aid toUkraine. Will the bill bring more good or the other way around?

The US president was not on board with the plans to sanction Russia more but the Congress found a way to pass the bill without so much opposition. According to The New York Times, White House press secretary Josh Earnest confirms: "The president does intend to sign the piece of legislation that was passed by Congress."

The official also adds: "But we do have some concerns about that legislation because while it preserves flexibility, it does send a confusing message to our allies because it includes some sanctions language that does not reflect the consultations that are ongoing."

The press secretary goes as far to say that Russia's problems at the moment are the country's or the president's own doing. According toEarnest: "It's a sign of the failure of Vladimir Putin's strategy to try to buck up his country."

"Right now, he and his country are isolated from the broader international community." He added.

According to Financial Times, regardless of the intentions of the legislation, signing the bill has concerned many particularly for possible European implications. The legislation can cause a rift between the US and its European allies. Although the sanctions may have limited immediate impact, they do offer groundwork to execute tougher regulations like what happened in Iran.

Russian warned previously that if the US will push for more sanctions then the country will respond. The impending sanctions threaten to affect a range of weapons companies transacting with Russia. Deputy foreign minister Sergei Ryabkov shared with Interfax (via Newsweek) that the country "will not be able to leave this without a response." Further, Ryabkov said that theUkraine Freedom Support Act may "destroy the carcass of cooperation" existing between Russia and the US.

According to reports, Russia is bound to act to a certain extent following the sanctions.



Ukrainian Nazis and Chechen Wahabis now appear to be working together

Interesting news this morning: Khasan Zakaev, one of the terrorist which organized and executed the 2002 attack against the Dubrovka theater in Moscow and an aid to Shamil Basaev was arrested in Crimea when he tried to enter from the Ukraine with false documents.


Khasan Zakaev
I very much doubt that Zakaev wanted to visit Crimea to enjoy the beautiful sights, sample the local cuisine or to relax on the seashore. Not coming from the Ukraine. Not with fake documents. In fact, I would argue that it is pretty darn obvious that if he took the huge risk of entering not just any Russian territory, but a highly monitored and secured one, he was there on a mission.

Considering the quasi-official Ukrainian support for Wahabism in Chechnia, it is also superlatively likely that the SBU knew about this mission and, at the very least, gave its tacit support for it. After all, since members of the Ukrainian Rada did openly support the recent terrorist operation in Grozny, and since a former commander of the Azov death squad and now Member of the Rada openly called for the murder of Ramzan Kadyrov, it only makes sense for the Ukrainian Nazis to be sending Chechen Wahabis into Russia to commit more terrorist attacks.
Beautiful, no? The US, the EU, NATO and their allies are now openly supporting a Nazi-Wahabi alliance against Russia.
Ramzan Kadyrov always calls the Wahabi terrorists "shaitans", or devils. I think that this also fully applies to the rabid Ukrainian Nazis. But if we want to be logical here, shouldn't this apply first and foremost to their masters?
Was the late Ayatollah Khomeini not absolutely spot-on when he spoke of the "shaitan-e bozorg", the "Great Satan"?

Would "Hizb-Shaitan" (Party of the Devil) not be an accurate descriptor for the AngloZionist Empire today?
The Saker



The illegal arrest of Giulietto Chiesa - yet another example of European hypocrisy

by Leonardo
On December 15, 2014 the Italian reporter Giulietto Chiesa, who had been invited to take part in a conference in Tallinn on Russian-European relations, was detained by the Estonian authorities for a few hours after being declared "persona non grata". Facts appear to point to a deliberate move on the part of the Estonian authorities meant to prevent the journalist from attending the conference, thus censoring the speech he was supposed to deliver.
Before diving into the facts, a little background info intended as a frame of reference.

Giulietto-Chiesa.jpg

Giulietto Chiesa, journalist and MEP
Giulietto Chiesa is an Italian journalist and former member of the European Parliament. He has been correspondent from Moscow for two different italian newspapers (La Stampa and L'Unità) for 20 years, since 1980.

In Italy he is presently marginalized for his very critical opinions on a few issues which the mainstream media still consider as taboo. Chiesa is a member of the 9/11 Consensus Panel, a board whose goal is "to provide the world with a clear statement, based on expert independent opinion, of some of the best evidence opposing the official narrative about 9/11". He is also known for being very vocal in opposing western imperialism and the hysterical russophobia that is being spread by the mainstream media. He wrote many articles condemning NATO aggression against Libya, the destabilization of Syria, the eastward expansion of NATO and the western backed coup in Kiev.

According to the Estonian Public Broadcasting, Chiesa was invited in Tallinn on December 15, 2014 by the Impressum NGO to attend a conference titled "Should Europe fear Russia?". Apparently, Estonian authorities consider the Impressum NGO as a russian propaganda proxy. Chiesa had already spoken at Impressum events twice before.

According to Chiesa, he arrived in Tallinn at 12.45 and gave an interview to an Estonian TV channel, had lunch and then went back to his hotel room in order to complete the preparation for the speech he was supposed to give at 19.00.

One and a half hours before the appointed time, a group of four Estonian policemen knocked on his room's door and took him into custody, intimating him to follow them to the local police station. Chiesa was later informed that he was being detained because he was the target of an entry ban signed on 13 December 2014 and valid for one month. He stated that he repeatedly asked the police to show him the related documents but his requests were denied. He was jailed for four hours, until the arrival of the Italian Ambassador, who managed to have him released a few hours later, after applying diplomatic pressure.

While the incident made the first page of a few Italian online newspapers it didn't get much attention on the Italian television networks, that at most mentioned it casually.

The incident caused some diplomatic friction between Italy and Estonia and the Estonian Ambassador in Rome was summoned by the Italian Foreign Minister looking for answers.

It also prompted inquiries in both the Italian and European Parliament where a group of representatives (mostly belonging to the leftist list "The Other Europe with Tsipras") filed a protest against what they suspect might constitute an extralegal detention, a violation of the Treaty on European Union, the European Convention on Human Rights and the European Charter on Fundamental Rights.

The Estonian authorities perspective is that Chiesa is a security threat and the detention was justified.

Legal aspects notwithstanding, the detention of Chiesa clearly appears to be motivated by censorship and intimidation: the Estonian authorities are openly troubled by the Italian reporter opinions and they acted to prevent him from sharing them with the few hundred people who were attending the conference. The accusation that Chiesa is some kind of Russian agent of propaganda and as such is a threat to the Estonian state does feel like an excuse: if he really was an immediate and serious danger they would never release him after just a few hours. Which makes the urgency of the detention suspect at best. Also, the timing of the ban, just a few days before Chiesa was to attend the conference, suggests very strongly that the measure was surgically targeted.

What's really troubling - actually, outrageous - is that, no matter if laws were broken or the authorities abused their power, a EU country has infringed on the freedom of speech right of a European citizen, journalist and former member of the parliament. Apparently, the Estonian government - and not the Estonian citizens who could attend the conference and debate or criticize the speech - gets to decide what is Russian propaganda and what isn't. The message is crystal clear and even intimidating. Just think about how a much less renowned journalist could react after realizing that expressing any harshly critical opinion that doesn't measure to the standards of what the authorities consider legit criticism could get him/her branded as a security threat and a Russian agent.

It would also be interesting to know what the authorities of all the other western countries who maintain a heavy state sponsored NGO presence abroad think of the Estonian authorities attitude towards NGOs accused of being instruments of Russian propaganda. If they share the evaluation then how can the double standard be logically reconciled?

This incident casts another shadow on Europe and suggests that the tearing of the democratic fabric and the degeneration of the common sense that follows in the wake of the anti-Russian media campaign might be slowly spreading to the whole continent.

POSTED BY VINEYARDSAKER:
Ukrainian Nazis and Chechen terrorists have long been working together. During the Chechen war of 90s in the Caucasus fought hundreds of Ukrainian Nazis.
The Nazis have traditionally supported all Russophobe forces.
 
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Ukrainian Nazis and Chechen terrorists have long been working together. During the Chechen war ща 90s in the Caucasus fought hundreds of Ukrainian Nazis.
The Nazis have traditionally supported all Russophobe forces.

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"The Artist", before the war, worked as a builder
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"The Hunter", before the war worked as a miner.
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"Squirrel", before the war worked as a security guard.
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"Semen", before war worked as a driver.
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"Mora", before the war worked as a builder.
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"Shura" before the war, worked as a miner.
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"The Storm" before the war, worked as a miner.
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"Biker" before the war worked as a butcher.
All of them from Donetsk.


Black AK-74s are AK-74Ms? One of these has a scope on it. 8-)
 
How funny.... chechens aren't terrorists when they're fighting for the thing called "novorossia'.....


Chechens are Russian citizens. Because Chechnya was part of Russia when Russia became an independent state, Chechnya not allowed to be independent.

Ukraine will never allow Donbas to have autonomy, because Kosovo, South Ossetia, Abkhazia declared independence after getting autonomy. This will allow rebels to say, hey look, Ukraine doesn't give us autonomy. Then Russia gives weapons to rebels and rebels will then fight to oblast borders.
 
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