'CIA doctor' accused of treason

[Awesome]

The American position on Afridi is a reversion to the Bush era retardedness, if you are not with the CIA you're with Osama.

There is a possibility that we are anti-CIA and anti-Osama at the same time. Oh wait, that does not compute? Or its not as glamorous a position for Americans to adopt?

Now scream louder OBL OBL OBL OBL... so you can shroud all other logic and reason and I repeat revert to the Bush era retardedness.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

FUNNY ......THE MEN WHO FACILITATED OSAMA TO LIVE INSIDE PAKISTAN ARE NOT TRIED FOR ANYTHING BUT THE GY WHO HELPED TO UNMASK THE LOCATION OF THE WORLDS MOST WANTED TERRORIST IS BEING PUNISHED......WHAT THE JUDICIARY SHOULD HAVE DONE IS CONDUCT AN INQUIRY AS TO HOW OSAMA WAS ABLE TO LIVE NEAR A MILITARY COMPLEX INSIDE PAKISTAN...AND WHO FACILITATED HIM IN LIVING THERE.....INSTEAD THIS IS WHAT IS HAPPENING......

THIS CLEARLY ONLY MEANS ONE THING...PAKISTAN(GOVT/ISI/MILITARY) KNEW THAT OSAMA WAS LIVING THERE AND WAS HIDING HIM...IF NOT THEY WOULD HAVE SEARCHED FOR PEOPLE WHO HELPED OSAMA TO LIVE THERE......HAND IN GLOVE WITH TERRORISTS----PAKISTANS TOP BRASS.....SIMPLE AS THAT

perhaps that dot on your forehead limited your ability to think

perhaps if you didnt have a selective approach to reading news, then you would have seen all the followup articles which clearly state that Pakistan ALREADY HAS an Abbotabad Commission set up to determine both how OBL did apparently take refuge in that so-called compound (''million gazillion dollar mansion''); secondary role of the commission is to determine how Dr. Afridi operated and also whether he had any other accomplices who sold their rear ends for dollars the way he did.

best success to the Commission, God willing.


p.s. typing in caps make you look like an idiot....people here can read when you type normally.

 

[Jango]

The American position on Afridi is a reversion to the Bush era retardedness, if you are not with the CIA you're with Osama.

There is a possibility that we are anti-CIA and anti-Osama at the same time. Oh wait, that does not compute? Or its not as glamorous a position for Americans to adopt?

Now scream louder OBL OBL OBL OBL... so you can shroud all other logic and reason and I repeat revert to the Bush era retardedness.

Shhhhh, King Solomon the second might be a CIA operative?, or CENTCOM!

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

The people who are saying that had he told the ISI, they would have let it off need to think another point.

THe ISI would have snatched at this opportunity with both hands, to redeem themselves in front of the international stage. They would have had a thing to boast about.

the U.S. was not keen to ''share'' the victory, after they were caught red-handed by the Raymond Davis affair. That affair INFURIATED them and they wanted revenge. In terms of point scoring -- Americans win. In terms of winning hearts and minds in neighbouring Afghanistan, in Pakistan itself --and the greater Muslim world --they failed miserably. And it actually matters, especially as far as Afghanistan is concerned. For domestic consumption purposes, they want to paint a half-rosy picture but on the ground things are not rosy. The real tragedy here isn't the fact that Pakistan was angered by this raid; the tragedy is that now all NGO groups and foreign aid groups will be viewed with major suspicion --their activities monitored closely.


treason is never allowed in any country....in the US, it can earn you a lethal injection. Double standards are only applying because the country looking after its interests is Pakistan. We should continue to exercise a policy of non-cooperation, and we should most certainly not deviate from our path vis-a-vis our policy in the region. When your cause is right, you know that you are righteous. We know, based on history which repeats itself, what the outcome here will be.

 

[Saifullah Sani]

 

[Jango]

the U.S. was not keen to ''share'' the victory, after they were caught red-handed by the Raymond Davis affair. That affair INFURIATED them and they wanted revenge. In terms of point scoring -- Americans win. In terms of winning hearts and minds in neighbouring Afghanistan, in Pakistan itself --and the greater Muslim world --they failed miserably. And it actually matters, especially as far as Afghanistan is concerned. For domestic consumption purposes, they want to paint a half-rosy picture but on the ground things are not rosy. The real tragedy here isn't the fact that Pakistan was angered by this raid; the tragedy is that now all NGO groups and foreign aid groups will be viewed with major suspicion --their activities monitored closely.


treason is never allowed in any country....in the US, it can earn you a lethal injection. Double standards are only applying because the country looking after its interests is Pakistan. We should continue to exercise a policy of non-cooperation, and we should most certainly not deviate from our path vis-a-vis our policy in the region. When your cause is right, you know that you are righteous. We know, based on history which repeats itself, what the outcome here will be.

In nutshell, in front of the US, it is either their way, or the highway.

They are not flexible enough, to accommodate other peoples opinions and rationale.

 

[Solomon2]

Who determines that the 'compact between State and Citizen has been violated'?

That is a very good question. Most of America's Founding Fathers didn't believe they could make the final determination as individuals, only collectively; by that time they were sure of the populace, as most of them came from popular assemblies. Yet the movement towards independence was not sudden, it had started with mavericks like Samuel Adams. And the compact between George III and his subjects, vaguely defined as it was, was of a different character than, say, the compact between the French and their monarchs.

If the overwhelming majority of public opinion in Pakistan is to be taken as a yardstick, then on the issue of the Doctor assisting the CIA, the 'overwhelming majority of Pakistani citizens do not believe that compact was violated'.

I wasn't aware that you were monitoring polls, or ran your own (link, please). Yet how much can public opinion be a true yardstick when people are worried that if they say the wrong thing they'll end up mysteriously dead like so many other reporters and would-be reformers in Pakistan? If you go by polls in a manipulated system it's the same as submitting to the authorities; that's why I stood together with the Egyptians in their demonstrations against Mubarak four years ago.

 

[karan.1970]

yes sir,

replace ISI with RAW, and you might understand.
you cant work for someone undercover without the prior knowledge of your own government.

I am not debating whether he did right or wrong.. Simply how was it treason ?

 

[Jango]

I am not debating whether he did right or wrong.. Simply how was it treason ?

he was in contact with a foreign intelligence agency, and doing secret work with them, all the while being a citizen of Pakistan.

 

[karan.1970]

it's good he's facing treason charges....

Pakistanis should be clear to the international community. If you want something done, do it directly through us. If you send contractors who kill innocent people (e.g. RD) and if you send doctors to administer fake vaccines (which does a HUGE injustice to NGOs and health groups which act genuinely for the care of the people) then not only you won't get cooperation, but you will breach trust and infuriate the people and the govt. from whom you claim you need cooperation and assistance.


Dr. Afridi should not be handed over to anyone. He should face a firing squad and he should also be ''dumped at sea''

You know what's ironic
1. A CIA operative kills 2 Pakistani civilians in cold blood and is released in exchange for blood money
2. A Pakistani citizen helps US govt kill the most notorious terrorist residing in Pakistan and will probably be killed for the deed..

Spin in anyway you want, the contrast is stark enough...

 

[karan.1970]

And here is where you are wrong.

He did not know the whereabouts of OBL( and IMO, he still did not know whether OBL was there or not, he was just the messenger of the blood samples IMO), he did not approach the CIA about the whereabouts of OBL, rather the CIA approached him. He was implicit , and then he organized a fake polio campaign, which has had it's repercussions.
So, in nutshell, he did not know the location of OBl, and he was not the person who approached the CIA , rather the other party approached him, and he accepted it, for some green paper i suppose.

Again, what espionage did he do for CIA.. Did he share any state secrets or any other confidential information.. Or did he run any operations within Pakistan aimed at harming the Pakistani state?

 

[DK Run]

In nutshell, in front of the US, it is either their way, or the highway.

They are not flexible enough, to accommodate other peoples opinions and rationale.

Ok how rational it is to harbor an internationally most wanted terrorist in your backyard, keeping him in one of the most secure garrison premise and then squeaking like rats now when uncle came and dispatch your armys beloved guest to djannat?

IMHO the current reaction by US is the most polite reaction towards pakistan. What kind of additional flexibilty you look from the donor who keeps your exonomy alive and your nation up and running even after the obvious back stabbing?

Please accept the ground realities and stop pretending yourself to be center of universe and that the whole world owes your stabilty and prosperity.

 

[Jango]

You know what's ironic
1. A CIA operative kills 2 Pakistani civilians in cold blood and is released in exchange for blood money
2. A Pakistani citizen helps US govt kill the most notorious terrorist residing in Pakistan and will probably be killed for the deed..

Spin in anyway you want, the contrast is stark enough...

the family accepted blood money, it was all with the consent of the family.

 

[karan.1970]

hey champion dont over stress yourself. he should have involved the security agencies of his own country who are partner in the WoT and have captured many terrorists before. He could have been counting the trees or selling books but its his contact whoch is the problem.
Get it ?

I dont think so

"That is for the courts to decide. I think the fake vaccine program that he ran to get OBL's DNA was secret information. "

I am responding to Bilal's comment about him sharing the secret information with CIA...

Get it..?? I think so

 

[Jango]

Ok how rational it is to harbor an internationally most wanted terrorist in your backyard, keeping him in one of the most secure garrison premise and then squeaking like rats now when uncle came and dispatch your armys beloved guest to djannat?

IMHO the current reaction by US is the most polite reaction towards pakistan. What kind of additional flexibilty you look from the donor who keeps your exonomy alive and your nation up and running even after the obvious back stabbing?

Please accept the ground realities and stop pretending yourself to be center of universe and that the whole world owes your stabilty and prosperity.

uh, have you ever been to Abbotabad? I take it as a no, so, let me tell you, abbotabad is not really a secure place at all, the PMA is, but except PMA< there is no other military unit there, and PMA is not even a field unit!

and how do you reach the conclusion he was harbored by us?

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Again, what espionage did he do for CIA.. Did he share any state secrets or any other confidential information.. Or did he run any operations within Pakistan aimed at harming the Pakistani state?

as i and the other members have repeated n number of times, it is not what he did for what objective, it is for whom he did it, and what were it's effects.