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MR. @Joe Shearer Your negative rating wont deter me from saying the truth ... Truth is that Christian Churches wants their followers to be Zombies who are programmed by the church ...u cant see it cause u are no different from them full of religious extremism inside which is hidden by a mask of Atheism ...

Your deep knowledge of everything related to Anti-Hindu may earn respect from many here...BUT your ideology of Left Extremism is Dying or already dead... Hindus has awakened, neither you nor churches or your comrades can stop it... while u can seek comfort in a Pakistani Defence forum as a Professional of god knows what ... But the country has moved on the tolerance of tolerating is over...


Yes offcorse you Anti-Hindu can tolerate a Christian Extremist ... as your no different from him...

I am a Hindu and my life death and marriage are not realted to my temples But my religion ...and not by the temple priest ... unlike the ensalved ones we see here...

You can see no logic in my post cause what even issue which i have said above is a matter of politics for u ... since you hide all your religious prejudice under the mask of Atheism ... while I am not a Temple going zombie ...
How is a Hindu with 80% of Bharats total population fearful and worried by a 2,1% population Christian. You can nullify the Christians vote through sheer size. I find the religious chauvinism in Bharat worrying. Christians have always stood for communal harmony. This perhaps is the crime.
 
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Kinda more confuse :lol: Cos I do have a Syrian Christian friend and he shared his thoughts with me, when he loved a girl belonging to a Saurastra community with nativity from Madurai :D And I even know the ugly truth's the Syrian churches go to the extent to ex-communicate the whole family from the Church, denied into another Syrian churches. Only the high influence families can save themselves.

Joe quoted my post telling that there is one fundamental difference in the example I was quoting. And I replied if that was the difference you are trying to convey :D

I dont think the church will go to the extent of ex communicating the whole family.

I read that comment of your's. You are comparing a public funeral ground to church owned place. It can be considered as a private area where church can apply its rule.
 
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It feels like the members here are agitating against the Christian community. The first step to often violent and relentless riots in the country.
 
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Yea. Maybe the land was a common land owned by the government. That was also what I mentioned. And churches have advantages in one particular case. They are educated, legally know what to do. And they own the cemetry and has laws and regulations on who to bury and whom not to? Villagers have carried that practise for centuries, and suddenly if someone from government tells, that its a public land, and even legally they cant do anything. Personally its a good thing as caste evilness can be fought.
This is the difference you are talking off? Or from a religious angle?

Christians from the orthodox churches - Orthodox, Roman Catholic and Anglican - and many other sects, as well, have to be buried in consecrated ground, blessed in a religious ceremony. That is a distinction given only to the observant; those found to be non-observant to a pronounced degree - the rules are very, very clear - are not allowed such burial.

It has nothing to do with availability of space, never mind what a buffoon says, or the vast ownership of land by the Church (again so wholly irresponsible as to cause laughter), and even less to do with feuding within the Church.

I dont think the church will go to the extent of ex communicating the whole family.

I read that comment of your's. You are comparing a public funeral ground to church owned place. It can be considered as a private area where church can apply its rule.

Excommunicating the whole family is impossible. The individual is in communion with God, not a family.

How is a Hindu with 80% of Bharats total population fearful and worried by a 2,1% population Christian. You can nullify the Christians vote through sheer size. I find the religious chauvinism in Bharat worrying. Christians have always stood for communal harmony. This perhaps is the crime.


Why are you giving that hopeless and brain-foundered idiot undue importance, first, by reading his rambling posts, and second, by wasting time commenting on them? DO NOT FEED TROLLS!
 
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Christians from the orthodox churches - Orthodox, Roman Catholic and Anglican - and many other sects, as well, have to be buried in consecrated ground, blessed in a religious ceremony. That is a distinction given only to the observant; those found to be non-observant to a pronounced degree - the rules are very, very clear - are not allowed such burial.

It has nothing to do with availability of space, never mind what a buffoon says, or the vast ownership of land by the Church (again so wholly irresponsible as to cause laughter), and even less to do with feuding within the Church.



Excommunicating the whole family is impossible. The individual is in communion with God, not a family.




Why are you giving that hopeless and brain-foundered idiot undue importance, first, by reading his rambling posts, and second, by wasting time commenting on them? DO NOT FEED TROLLS!


I just shared my experience... and i mentioned it... Church asked us to bury my sister body outside as there is no space...

Finding a home in Delhi can be maddeningly expensive but securing a final resting place is harder still with graveyards running out of room, forcing the dead to jostle for space.

Escalating land prices, encroachment, urbanisation and population are constricting the city's cemeteries and at many of these facilities auctions now decide who gets to rest in peace.

The cost of burial at most Muslim graveyards in Delhi begins at Rs 5,000 and can go up to Rs 15,000, depending upon availability. At the historic Mehndiyan cemetery behind Lok Nayak Hospital in central Delhi, the cost ranges between Rs 50,000 and Rs 1 lakh.

"Due to a space crunch, the prices go up and whoever is willing to pay a higher amount is allotted the burial space," said Munna Singh, a caretaker who has been looking after the Delhi Gate graveyard for 35 years.


A public notice put up by the authorities of the Paharganj cemetery
A burial at a Christian cemetery costs between `3,000 and `10,000. But the price is higher at some facilities. With a spike in complaints, the Delhi Minorities Commission will begin a survey on the city's graveyards within a month.
"There is no space in our area to bury the dead. The Muslim population here is more than 50,000 and there is not even a single graveyard," said 40-year-old Abdul Wahid Qureshi, a resident of northwest Delhi's Inderlok.

"We have been writing to various authorities, asking for land where we can peacefully bury the bodies." Qureshi, like many others, had approached the commission.

"We are working on the matter. Recently, groups of people from west and east Delhi came to us, complaining about the shortage of graveyards in their respective areas. Residents of Aya Nagar in south Delhi have also highlighted the shortage of cemeteries in their area," Qamar Ahmad, chairman of Delhi Minorities Commission, told Mail Today. The first-of-its-kind study will be outsourced to a private agency and will have minute details about the graveyards.

"The number of graveyards or cemeteries has not increased in proportion to the population for the last three decades. So, there is a shortage for both communities," added Ahmad.


Residents say they have been repeatedly writing to authorities on the space crunch
The Muslim population in Delhi is estimated to be around four million and Christians about 8,00,000. Migration from other states has also spurred the city's population growth.
"When there is no space, how are we going to accommodate the dead? Relatives of the dead also erect concrete structures over the burial site," said Jyotsana Thomas, a resident of east Delhi's Mayur Vihar.

Apart from the space crunch, poor maintenance is adding to the woes of these graveyards. Encroachment, construction of concrete tombs, non-allotment of land for new cemeteries and a huge demand for burial grounds attached to dargahs and mosques are the biggest problems.

"There is no space left for expansion. All the nearby land has been acquired by colonies," Ahmad said.

Officials say even rural pockets in the Capital now have multi-storey buildings and offices. Agricultural land is being turned into commercial and residential land, with scores of colonies mushrooming in the past decade, leaving no space for the dead.

The commission earlier reported the matter to the Delhi government, but no action was initiated. Sources in the government said paucity of land in the city is a major roadblock.

The Muslim graveyards in the Capital are managed by a clutch of committees comprising six to 12 members each. For the Christian community, burial grounds are managed by two organisations - the Delhi Cemetery Committee and Indian Cemetery Committee.

@Joe Shearer ... every Church does have executive committee elected by Church members... if the Graveyard is not public but belongs to Church ... these committee takes decision..

NO VACANCIES

Father Rebello's problems are with the present, not the past.

"The cemetery is closed now. There's no space anymore," he told Reuters at New Delhi's Sacred Heart Cathedral.

Only "second burials" are allowed - when relatives move the deceased's cremated remains to a niche and use the vacated lot for a new body.

In fact, five of Delhi's 11 old Christian cemeteries are full. The government had allocated land for a new cemetery but that is getting crammed too, said Rebello, a Roman Catholic priest from the former Portuguese colony of Goa.

"We're fighting. The government does not give easily. We are a minority," he said.

The small staff of gravetenders often have to chase away drug addicts, who climb over the wall to seek peace and seclusion to indulge their habit, he said.

Funds are also a problem. The graveyard charges a small fee from relatives to clean the graves and clear away the weeds which sprout relentlessly.

So modern India has encroached on the graveyard. One way to raise money has been to rent it to Bollywood movie productions as a set.

But after the plot of one movie involved an assassination attempt on a politician by a bishop, the committee now vets scripts to make sure they are appropriate. Anything too racy - no doubt with the silent approval of the Victorians lying there - will not be allowed.

"We don't permit any semi-nudity and things like that here," Rebello said.

@Iggy

@Joe Shearer whom you are refering buffoon??


my point is clear... I said possibly due to these type conditions.. some Church committee take decision not to allow outside of Church.... I have seen cases where people buying land close to these graveyard... In priyanka chopra mothers case.. I don't know what could be the reason.. it could be due to Baptized or the ex committee decision or what so ever... When i shared my view what is wrong in it... does that mean they can insult whole community or Churches..
 
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@danger007 churches is Kerala now adopting new types of tombs to tackle the issue

http://m.indiatoday.in/story/innova...now-used-to-bury-dead-in-kerala/1/315864.html

This.method is widely used in churches with conjested space

Excommunicating the whole family is impossible. The individual is in communion with God, not a family.

This whole ex communicating is a bunch of nonsense and ridicoulous rule..I mean who is church to decide who should be Christian and who is not?
 
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@danger007 churches is Kerala now adopting new types of tombs to tackle the issue

http://m.indiatoday.in/story/innova...now-used-to-bury-dead-in-kerala/1/315864.html

This.method is widely used in churches with conjested space

I guess good idea... I have seen some rich people constructed one grave in huge place .. these guys should stop richness even after death... my point is not invalid .. about lack of space ...
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I Don't have idea of the Church... why they denied..
 
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It feels like the members here are agitating against the Christian community. The first step to often violent and relentless riots in the country.

Their agitation is on Internet only.I come a place where you find celebrations of Christians and Hindus celebrated jointly..
 
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Your glorified words may comfort others... But its not a reply to any of the facts which I have stated ... What happened to Sister Abahaya Case... why is Churches of Kerala protecting the Plantation owners who continue deforestation ... what business does the Church has with the North east Christian extremist movement ... Do or not Churches use educational and Health institution as tool of religious conversion... Has the Churches not used Marriage and death as weapon of revenge against the members who dont agree with the church ... has the church not spread pamphlets criticizing Hindu gods ... What is the churches doing in tribal regions of India ...

Which fact have you stated? NOT A SINGLE ONE! That is your stock in trade, to keep blathering with no proof, just a stream of consciousness vomit of pure, unadulterated bile.
  1. What has the Sister Abhaya case got to do with burial rights of Christians?
  2. What protection are you talking about,and what is the government doing about it, if it is such a public scandal? Are you equally worried about another government declaring that coconut trees are not trees, so that their crony capitalist friends can benefit? How ridiculous do things have to get before it excites your totally exhausted conscience?
  3. Why should a Christian in one corner of the country not have communications with Christians in another part of the country? And why must those not Hindu automatically become terrorists to your sick imagination?
  4. If you believe that Churches use education and health as tools of religious conversions, you are more of a fool than we thought, as the thousands of colleges and schools that the Church runs don't seem to have much impact on conversions. Not St Xaviers, Calcutta or Bombay, not St Stephens, not anybody. Nor do I know of anybody crawling out of CMC Vellore and clutching a cross to her bosom and turning Christian; millions get treated there, so there should have been some sizeable impact of demographics if your demented ravings were worth anything more than a kick in the behind.
  5. The Church extends the sacraments of its religion, Christianity, to anyone who believes in Christianity. It tests for that. It is possible that you might not pass the test. You will therefore neither get the Church's recognition of your marriage or of your death (unless your mourners leave your body in the church and walk smartly away). Nor will those who for whatever reason have decided to take positions that their church does not support. So where does the revenge come in? You believe, you belong. You don't believe, you don't belong.
Is there no Christian Extremism in the world...

Of course there are Christian extremists. So what? What is the point that you are hoping to prove? Or is the point that you have realised you really have nothing to say, so you want to pick quarrels at every point to make people forget that you were at a loss for words, you couldn't figure out what to say next.

The PDF certificate wont own me a JOB nor a Shiny new luxury car...

Is that why people join PDF? For a JOB (sic) or a shiny new luxury car? Which is it for you?

[quote ]You can have all the glory of been a PDF professional which sums up 0 value even online... [/quote]

I am sure that everyone can see your obsessions with ratings, and your bitter disappointment at not having won the public gaze.

There are more poster in this very forum who trash your credibility then the ones who respect you...well but I wont dig deep to get the facts on your tablet ...

Oh how crushed I am!

But you won't dig deep to get the facts on my tablet (on my tablet? What does that mean?). And that is your old line of work:

  • making a statement and then never sticking around to dig deep into it;
  • hoping all the time that other pin-heads, hearing a constant stream of bhakt abuse from your lips, will also stop asking you to prove your statements, and just take the past of least resistance and go along with you, since you've already done the proofing, they think.
Your Anti-Hindu Stands are legendary here, theres no need of proof to prove it otherwise...

Just to show you how stupid you sound, when was the last time you said,"I am saying something, I need to prove it, here is the proof, and therefore listen to me." Why is it always that 'everyone' knows that what you are saying is true, that 'everyone' agrees with you that this statement of yours should never be questioned, that 'everyone' agrees with you that there is proof, because he too is.

Atleast we have reached a level where everyone is agreeing Hindu Pandits where removed from Kashmir... We have reached with this level with in a Span of Half a Decade...

all the signs are positive ...A Drop of blood shed by a Kashmiri Hindu would send down Blood boiling in Kerala, Bengal, UP, Manipur and Tamil nadu from Dalit to Bhoomihar from Jatt to Brahmin ... We have tasted the strength of Unity ... we will pass on this addiction to the ones around us... Hindu pride is on a rise brother not united by Temple or priest but by the need of survival ...

It is clear to the meanest intelligence that there is something seriously wrong with you.

Look at your nonsense above. Even a fourteenth grade politician standing for panchayat president wouldn't use this kind of seriously deranged language.

Get treated. Fast.
 
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Which fact have you stated? NOT A SINGLE ONE! That is your stock in trade, to keep blathering with no proof, just a stream of consciousness vomit of pure, unadulterated bile.
  1. What has the Sister Abhaya case got to do with burial rights of Christians?
  2. What protection are you talking about,and what is the government doing about it, if it is such a public scandal? Are you equally worried about another government declaring that coconut trees are not trees, so that their crony capitalist friends can benefit? How ridiculous do things have to get before it excites your totally exhausted conscience?
  3. Why should a Christian in one corner of the country not have communications with Christians in another part of the country? And why must those not Hindu automatically become terrorists to your sick imagination?
  4. If you believe that Churches use education and health as tools of religious conversions, you are more of a fool than we thought, as the thousands of colleges and schools that the Church runs don't seem to have much impact on conversions. Not St Xaviers, Calcutta or Bombay, not St Stephens, not anybody. Nor do I know of anybody crawling out of CMC Vellore and clutching a cross to her bosom and turning Christian; millions get treated there, so there should have been some sizeable impact of demographics if your demented ravings were worth anything more than a kick in the behind.
  5. The Church extends the sacraments of its religion, Christianity, to anyone who believes in Christianity. It tests for that. It is possible that you might not pass the test. You will therefore neither get the Church's recognition of your marriage or of your death (unless your mourners leave your body in the church and walk smartly away). Nor will those who for whatever reason have decided to take positions that their church does not support. So where does the revenge come in? You believe, you belong. You don't believe, you don't belong.


Of course there are Christian extremists. So what? What is the point that you are hoping to prove? Or is the point that you have realised you really have nothing to say, so you want to pick quarrels at every point to make people forget that you were at a loss for words, you couldn't figure out what to say next.



Is that why people join PDF? For a JOB (sic) or a shiny new luxury car? Which is it for you?

[quote ]You can have all the glory of been a PDF professional which sums up 0 value even online...

I am sure that everyone can see your obsessions with ratings, and your bitter disappointment at not having won the public gaze.



Oh how crushed I am!

But you won't dig deep to get the facts on my tablet (on my tablet? What does that mean?). And that is your old line of work:

  • making a statement and then never sticking around to dig deep into it;
  • hoping all the time that other pin-heads, hearing a constant stream of bhakt abuse from your lips, will also stop asking you to prove your statements, and just take the past of least resistance and go along with you, since you've already done the proofing, they think.


Just to show you how stupid you sound, when was the last time you said,"I am saying something, I need to prove it, here is the proof, and therefore listen to me." Why is it always that 'everyone' knows that what you are saying is true, that 'everyone' agrees with you that this statement of yours should never be questioned, that 'everyone' agrees with you that there is proof, because he too is.



It is clear to the meanest intelligence that there is something seriously wrong with you.

Look at your nonsense above. Even a fourteenth grade politician standing for panchayat president wouldn't use this kind of seriously deranged language.

Get treated. Fast.
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I am sure that everyone can see your obsessions with ratings, and your bitter disappointment at not having won the public gaze.



Oh how crushed I am!

But you won't dig deep to get the facts on my tablet (on my tablet? What does that mean?). And that is your old line of work:

  • making a statement and then never sticking around to dig deep into it;
  • hoping all the time that other pin-heads, hearing a constant stream of bhakt abuse from your lips, will also stop asking you to prove your statements, and just take the past of least resistance and go along with you, since you've already done the proofing, they think.


Just to show you how stupid you sound, when was the last time you said,"I am saying something, I need to prove it, here is the proof, and therefore listen to me." Why is it always that 'everyone' knows that what you are saying is true, that 'everyone' agrees with you that this statement of yours should never be questioned, that 'everyone' agrees with you that there is proof, because he too is.



It is clear to the meanest intelligence that there is something seriously wrong with you.

Look at your nonsense above. Even a fourteenth grade politician standing for panchayat president wouldn't use this kind of seriously deranged language.

Get treated. Fast.
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Which fact have you stated? NOT A SINGLE ONE! That is your stock in trade, to keep blathering with no proof, just a stream of consciousness vomit of pure, unadulterated bile.
  1. What has the Sister Abhaya case got to do with burial rights of Christians?
  2. What protection are you talking about,and what is the government doing about it, if it is such a public scandal? Are you equally worried about another government declaring that coconut trees are not trees, so that their crony capitalist friends can benefit? How ridiculous do things have to get before it excites your totally exhausted conscience?
  3. Why should a Christian in one corner of the country not have communications with Christians in another part of the country? And why must those not Hindu automatically become terrorists to your sick imagination?
  4. If you believe that Churches use education and health as tools of religious conversions, you are more of a fool than we thought, as the thousands of colleges and schools that the Church runs don't seem to have much impact on conversions. Not St Xaviers, Calcutta or Bombay, not St Stephens, not anybody. Nor do I know of anybody crawling out of CMC Vellore and clutching a cross to her bosom and turning Christian; millions get treated there, so there should have been some sizeable impact of demographics if your demented ravings were worth anything more than a kick in the behind.
  5. The Church extends the sacraments of its religion, Christianity, to anyone who believes in Christianity. It tests for that. It is possible that you might not pass the test. You will therefore neither get the Church's recognition of your marriage or of your death (unless your mourners leave your body in the church and walk smartly away). Nor will those who for whatever reason have decided to take positions that their church does not support. So where does the revenge come in? You believe, you belong. You don't believe, you don't belong.


Of course there are Christian extremists. So what? What is the point that you are hoping to prove? Or is the point that you have realised you really have nothing to say, so you want to pick quarrels at every point to make people forget that you were at a loss for words, you couldn't figure out what to say next.



Is that why people join PDF? For a JOB (sic) or a shiny new luxury car? Which is it for you?

[quote ]You can have all the glory of been a PDF professional which sums up 0 value even online...

I am sure that everyone can see your obsessions with ratings, and your bitter disappointment at not having won the public gaze.



Oh how crushed I am!

But you won't dig deep to get the facts on my tablet (on my tablet? What does that mean?). And that is your old line of work:

  • making a statement and then never sticking around to dig deep into it;
  • hoping all the time that other pin-heads, hearing a constant stream of bhakt abuse from your lips, will also stop asking you to prove your statements, and just take the past of least resistance and go along with you, since you've already done the proofing, they think.


Just to show you how stupid you sound, when was the last time you said,"I am saying something, I need to prove it, here is the proof, and therefore listen to me." Why is it always that 'everyone' knows that what you are saying is true, that 'everyone' agrees with you that this statement of yours should never be questioned, that 'everyone' agrees with you that there is proof, because he too is.



It is clear to the meanest intelligence that there is something seriously wrong with you.

Look at your nonsense above. Even a fourteenth grade politician standing for panchayat president wouldn't use this kind of seriously deranged language.

Get treated. Fast.
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You didnt answer to any of the question put forward... again some words which u and a Anti-Hindu Bigot thinks is logical ... I again Repeat the question Mr. PDF Professional ...

QUESTIONS REPEATED :-

What happened to Sister Abahaya Case... why is Churches of Kerala protecting the Plantation owners who continue deforestation ... what business does the Church has with the North east Christian extremist movement ... Do or not Churches use educational and Health institution as tool of religious conversion... Has the Churches not used Marriage and death as weapon of revenge against the members who dont agree with the church ... has the church not spread pamphlets criticizing Hindu gods ... What is the churches doing in tribal regions of India ...


where was your outrage when PJ Kurien The molestor of a Tribal Girl became A Speaker even after the Girl repeatedly screaming his name...

ON TOPIC :- why dont u accept the fact that Christian Churches control the church members through blackmailing them about Birth, Death and Marriage ceremonies ...

ABOUT U :- where were u mr. professional when Hindus of Kairana where exploded where was your outrage when you are seen popping up every time on Thread targeting Hindu, Hindutva and Hinduism ... This is you who are a Hindu Hater, Hindu Basher...

cant expect good enough reply from you ... you have answers for non ...

RATING :-
now about earning a rating in PDF lol... PDF is indeed a good Platform for u... Mr. PDF Principle non of the members here know me personally they dont know how do i look who am I... your ratings can fulfill egos of a old man... You see Mr. I am busy Building up my career so have no time to waste throwing around stone in mud ... while expecting anything constructive or wisdom of knowledge ... I am seeker at this age... If it was 3-4 years back I would have continued on this hopeless cycle with u...


SYMPATHIES :-
Thanks to people like you the overturn has started ...This is just the beginning ... Ideological death surely is a Death for people like you... I wish you a Silent one...
 
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