Church head nullifies move to remove Kottayam bishop

[danger007]

I am glad you printed the guidelines for allowing burial of non-Christians, specifically of non-Catholics, in those two kinds of cemeteries. It allows us to see that the Synod was disastrously wrong in pushing out the Bishop.




How is this relevant? Different religions may have completely different observances, and we cannot compare these across religions.

my point is not to blame... Arya samaj belings to Hindu tradiational. If i want to marry in arya samaj i must follow the tradition... I can't expect Christian style marriage in Arya samaj .. just like that there are some rules in Burial of a Christian.. previously i mentioned two cases.. there are politics in involved in Church .. who want to take advantage of it... but there are individuals who is with selfish mind.. it's the people who makes the difference.. with their own perception..

 

[Joe Shearer]

The same. Its true and common in villages to have separate graveyards for different castes. Moreover in villages, only one - three types of castes people reside. And if a Dalit or some other caste ask for burial in other cemetry, and the others refuse, you guys label it as Hindutva. And we will discuss that issue for days and weeks, and INC will be disrupting Parliament as if Modi is preaching inequality. Not that I defend that practise. I want all caste barriers demolished.
But how is that practise different from the one mentioned above? Just cos all are educated and decision taken inside an ac hall doesnt mean its correct. She was Baptized there. Just call spade a spade.

There is a basic, fundamental difference. Try to look it up, or ask a knowledgeable Christian, preferably a priest. It is not the same as a Muslim burial or a Hindu burial ground.

 

[danger007]

Limited space was never the issue. It was always at root about 'hallowed ground', although nobody in this discussion seems to be aware of that. On the other hand, the attitude of truly bigoted Syrian Christians, especially their elders, is illustrative of all that is worst among believers, whatever sort they are, whichever religion they are.

limited space does matter .. I have seen people who construct graveyard in big space .. unfortunately these guys shows richness in death.. those people will cry if anyone from outsider want to bury..

There is a basic, fundamental difference. Try to look it up, or ask a knowledgeable Christian, preferably a priest. It is not the same as a Muslim burial or a Hindu burial ground.

Sime church allow only baptized person .. there are graveyard with in Church owned land .. some graveyard are for the public.. some allow anyone to bury some don't ..

 

[Joe Shearer]

WTF! You logic is retarded!

Do these churches own the cemetery grounds?I though they were administered by Panchayats and Councils?

Unfortunately, our friend does not seem to be familiar with his own faith.

A Christian normally is buried on hallowed ground. This is ground that has been sanctified specifically for the purpose by a priest through a laid-down ceremonial before being used for burial. Not all ground is fit for Christian burial; in the past, before recent changes came about, those under the ban of the Church, or married outside the rules of the Church were not allowed permission to be buried in hallowed ground. There is a variation called 'Potters' Fields', but that is different.

For those of us wishful to learn more before offering uninformed comment, please read this.

http://www.peterboroughdiocesanregistry.co.uk/consecration.html

As an atheist, I am thankful that if there is anybody to do it, my body will be cremated, the cleanest disposal that can be imagined.

limited space does matter .. I have seen people who construct graveyard in big space .. unfortunately these guys shows richness in death.. those people will cry if anyone from outsider want to bury..



Sime church allow only baptized person .. there are graveyard with in Church owned land .. some graveyard are for the public.. some allow anyone to bury some don't ..

If you get into religious discussions, please take the precaution of educating yourself about the issues involved. It becomes particularly embarrassing when someone displays hopeless ignorance about his own religion.

are you calling fellow Christians for help ? then Iggy is a wrong person He will not defend you on this ,as an Orthodox church member he will be more happy to side with us on this issue

Just for the record, I am not a Christian, I am an atheist.

I become Anti hindu just because, I posted thread on Adityanath ...I tried share my view... Possible reason could be.. Suddenly some guy bring a jesus pic .. I know it is stupid to think such ... but those stupidity is not only subjected with Christians.. It such idiotic claimes happens in every religious.. I just pointed one such cases.. why being selective on Chriatianity.. I told them not to drag me in Religious yet again they did.. Last 5 threads i posted related to SU 35 deal, Unioin minister remark as well as Aditya nath.. common what is wrong posting it.. How many threads these guys posted on Priyanka chopra mothers... these guys keep thinking my stance is anti hindu just because of thread posted on Aditya nath.. why don't these guys admit... there are black era in every religion.. why pointing out one particular or being selective ...

Please stop feeling persecuted. These are equal-opportunity trash-talkers.

 

[ranjeet]

This is one of those occasions that I find myself agreeing completely with you. However, you should have amended the post to read 'inter-community' marriage, instead of 'inter-caste' marriage.

That's what the article said I just copy pasted it. What I had to add was below the link.

 

[Joe Shearer]

That's what the article said I just copy pasted it. What I had to add was below the link.

I would have amended it or put (sic) after the original; I am aware that you were not responsible for the mistake.

 

[danger007]

Unfortunately, our friend does not seem to be familiar with his own faith.

A Christian normally is buried on hallowed ground. This is ground that has been sanctified specifically for the purpose by a priest through a laid-down ceremonial before being used for burial. Not all ground is fit for Christian burial; in the past, before recent changes came about, those under the ban of the Church, or married outside the rules of the Church were not allowed permission to be buried in hallowed ground. There is a variation called 'Potters' Fields', but that is different.

For those of us wishful to learn more before offering uninformed comment, please read this.

http://www.peterboroughdiocesanregistry.co.uk/consecration.html

As an atheist, I am thankful that if there is anybody to do it, my body will be cremated, the cleanest disposal that can be imagined.



If you get into religious discussions, please take the precaution of educating yourself about the issues involved. It becomes particularly embarrassing when someone displays hopeless ignorance about his own religion.



Just for the record, I am not a Christian, I am an atheist.




Please stop feeling persecuted. These are equal-opportunity trash-talkers.

Some churches are allowing cremation....

I told them don't quote me in religious threads... seems like they love to spew venom.. how i become anti Hindu if i post article on Adityanath ???

 

[Joe Shearer]

Some churches are allowing cremation....

I told them don't quote me in religious threads... seems like they love to spew venom.. how i become anti Hindu if i post article on Adityanath ???

It's OK, read up and come back to the discussion. Posting an article on Adityanath is certainly not anti-Hindu; it is anti-bhakt, and that is why the pack comes after you.

 

[danger007]

It's OK, read up and come back to the discussion. Posting an article on Adityanath is certainly not anti-Hindu; it is anti-bhakt, and that is why the pack comes after you.

i guess you visited another thread related same topic.. I clearly mentioned.. I don't know why church denied .. I felt bad when we burried my sister body outside .. everyday as much as 1 or 2 deceased burying in that graveyard .. so members of that started pressuring up to not allow others.. i just shared that experience .. I might be wrong or right about church decision.. do we need many threads on this issue?? in other thread i mentioned do not tag me again..

 

[Joe Shearer]

i guess you visited another thread related same topic.. I clearly mentioned.. I don't know why church denied .. I felt bad when we burried my sister body outside .. everyday as much as 1 or 2 deceased burying in that graveyard .. so members of that started pressuring up to not allow others.. i just shared that experience .. I might be wrong or right about church decision.. do we need many threads on this issue?? in other thread i mentioned do not tag me again..

This thread and this topic have got disproportionate space. Please just ignore them and move on.

 

[Nair saab]

limited space does matter .. I have seen people who construct graveyard in big space .. unfortunately these guys shows richness in death.. those people will cry if anyone from outsider want to bury..

Limited Space ??? When Churches is the biggest Holder of Agricultural land in India ... Your argument is flawed from the start... The Churches keep the burial ground short to systematically blackmail its followers in this case Death is used to blackmail its followers...

Sime church allow only baptized person .. there are graveyard with in Church owned land .. some graveyard are for the public.. some allow anyone to bury some don't ..

U cant defend the indefensible the Churches of India function as a Co-operate house which controls the life of each christian ... blackmail them into whom should they marry should u divorce whom should they vote for practice morality that church think is right...

And we have severe cases like supporting Child molesters, Supporting anti-National activities like Kundamkulam Anti-Nuke agitation, Going against fellow Indian christian in Italian marine case, Politically backing Planters destroying Forest Land... fooling tribals into conversion ... and biggest and worst of all using life saving medical profession and education institution as tool of conversion and blackmailing ... Just a few to start with

How much this venomous tentacles of Churches are deep rooted in the country... Church keeps a Christian slave for his life ... This is their way of soul reaping. ..

 

[danger007]

This thread and this topic have got disproportionate space. Please just ignore them and move on.

Limited Space ??? When Churches is the biggest Holder of Agricultural land in India ... Your argument is flawed from the start... The Churches keep the burial ground short to systematically blackmail its followers in this case Death is used to blackmail its followers...


U cant defend the indefensible the Churches of India function as a Co-operate house which controls the life of each christian ... blackmail them into whom should they marry should u divorce whom should they vote for practice morality that church think is right...

And we have severe cases like supporting Child molesters, Supporting anti-National activities like Kundamkulam Anti-Nuke agitation, Going against fellow Indian christian in Italian marine case, Politically backing Planters destroying Forest Land... fooling tribals into conversion ... and biggest and worst of all using life saving medical profession and education institution as tool of conversion and blackmailing ... Just a few to start with

How much this venomous tentacles of Churches are deep rooted in the country... Church keeps a Christian slave for his life ... This is their way of soul reaping. ..

Italian marine case????isn't i argued on behlaf of Indian govt stance with pak members???


would you support lynching a person ???


you are full of negative sense on churches and christians.. you have prob if i post something related to Some BJP mp or so.. you wanted me not to post articles .. but you can say anything you wanted.. you can Insult Christians and Church.. because you are tolerant .. I never told not to post articles on Christianity.. i told you don't drag me into it.. as you are most tolerant person.. you can't undrstand it..


you are the who. spitting venom.. on church ... agricultural lands or non agricultural...

 

[SarthakGanguly]

few incidents of Christian Muslim tolerance by a famous movie director (he is a left ideologue) ,Movie Actor/Producer Augustin denied funeral at the church he was bapitised reason He visited Hindu temples like Shabarimala ,Mookambika and writer Shahid denied funeral at mosque because he married a Hindu girl
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@Levina @nair @Nair saab @ranjeet @Infinity @Iggy

Let's not brand all Christians in the same category. The bishop who was initially banned must have been a more reasonable man.

There are fanatics. Let's accept this fact. Among the Christians as well. And victimhood is rife. That is dangerous.

In short - RELIGION CAN AT TIMES BE POISON.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Limited Space ??? When Churches is the biggest Holder of Agricultural land in India ... Your argument is flawed from the start... The Churches keep the burial ground short to systematically blackmail its followers in this case Death is used to blackmail its followers...

Can you cite the figures relating to Church holding and to contrasting Temple holdings and Waqf holdings? On what basis are you making these claims? Unfortunately, like @danger007 himself, the facts you are using are incorrect.

U cant defend the indefensible the Churches of India function as a Co-operate house which controls the life of each christian ... blackmail them into whom should they marry should u divorce whom should they vote for practice morality that church think is right...

Your outlook is truly primitive. As if birth, marriage and death is not constrained by personal law in every religion.

And we have severe cases like supporting Child molesters, Supporting anti-National activities like Kundamkulam Anti-Nuke agitation, Going against fellow Indian christian in Italian marine case, Politically backing Planters destroying Forest Land... fooling tribals into conversion ... and biggest and worst of all using life saving medical profession and education institution as tool of conversion and blackmailing ... Just a few to start with

How much this venomous tentacles of Churches are deep rooted in the country... Church keeps a Christian slave for his life ... This is their way of soul reaping. ..

I think your posts speak for themselves. These are rants, not logical arguments.

Let's not brand all Christians in the same category. The bishop who was initially banned must have been a more reasonable man.

There are fanatics. Let's accept this fact. Among the Christians as well. And victimhood is rife. That is dangerous.

In short - RELIGION CAN AT TIMES BE POISON.

At times? If I were to say at all times, would you demur?

 

[SarthakGanguly]

At times? If I were to say at all times, would you demur?

More often than not, yes, I agree.