Chinese submarine conducts FON against USS Ronald Reagan | Washington Free Beacon

[Donald Trump]

It seems the modern day CPC has decided to grow a pair of balls and stand up for itself and not backdown.

And the Yanks just lost them!!

 

[F-22Raptor]

Come on with that logic the US military with its worldwide presence could sink every one of your cargo ships around the world because your military has no global presence to protect them.

Ships act differently during wartime.

Well said, if this was wartime that sub would be at the bottom of the ocean.

 

[TaiShang]

We just upgraded the meaning and scope of FON. Hope people won't mind.

If in wartime, that vessel near China's island would be pet (fish) sematary.

 

[jhungary]

lol........

This is fun. Now ship can run FON on other ship?? I amma gonna use this as my excuse next time I speed by a police car doing some reckless driving.

Policemen : "Do you know what were you doing?"
Me : "I believe I exercise my Freedom of Navigation right on my fellow highway user"
Policemen : "Oh, my bad, do carry on"

Then the policemen drive on without giving me a ticket. LOL

Well said, if this was wartime that sub would be at the bottom of the ocean.

If that was in war time, the sub won't even make it within the range of the carrier to begin with.

 

[TaiShang]

LOL.

New Normal.

New meanings to old concepts.

LOL.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

Well said, if this was wartime that sub would be at the bottom of the ocean.

They have no significant air assets outside their borders. Their ships are sitting ducks to our aircraft.

You have nowhere to hide. Except maybe India and the Southwest coast of Africa. But even then there are some nice islands there held by some of our NATO friends.

 

[jhungary]

They have no significant air assets outside their borders. Their ships are sitting ducks to our aircraft.

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You have nowhere to hide. Except maybe India.

lol, it's fun to see their logic...........But I just wonder why they use a sub not a surface ship if they were to conduct this kind of "FON" op. If what they were doing is to send a message.

 

[takeitwithyou]

Lol United States created the so called 'Freedom of Navigation' for itself, to give itself unrestricted access to anywhere in the world under the guise that they are upholding some type of 'freedom'-- yea, freedom for the U.S. to do as it pleases.

Well now similarly other countries are such as China are also doing the same against the USA and the USA is shaking.

You say the U. S is shaking

Shaking from what- your "loud and shrilling" presence in our country?

We shook so much that

Just three days after the submarine incident, the U.S sent a warship to pass within less than 12 miles of one of China's artificial islands as a challenge to Beijing's claims that the new islands are Chinese territory.

""The truth is, we track them tracking us, and we learn about their capabilities," said Robert Daly, who directs the Kissinger Institute on China at the Woodrow Wilson Center.

Chinese submarines are growing in number, but they're still relatively noisy," he pointed out. "They're at least a generation behind us. And when they track us, we find out what they are capable of."

 

[Penguin]

US official doing his best to save face.

If you're in international waters, what is the problem with a Chinese sub taking a peek near a US surface group? Russians used to do so all the time and vv. It is nothing magical to do, it proves nothing. Hence there isn't any loss of face. It means China says 'oh look, we have submarine'. As reported, the US group detected it. Although I would not have revealed that information if I were an American (I would want the Chinese to have to guess about that), what else can the US do but detect if? It can't very well go attack it! But you can rest assured that a US carrier group is accompanied by an SSN and that could do stuff underwater we would never know about (e.g. harrass the Kilo while submerged) unless the USN tells us or PLAN provides proof. So, BLABLABLA as far is face is concerned.

 

[TaiShang]

If you're in international waters, what is the problem with a Chinese sub taking a peek near a US surface group? Russians used to do so all the time and vv. It is nothing magical to do, it proves nothing. Hence there isn't any loss of face. It means China says 'oh look, we have submarine'. As reported, the US group detected it. Although I would not have revealed that information if I were an American (I would want the Chinese to have to guess about that), what else can the US do but detect if? It can't very well go attack it! But you can rest assured that a US carrier group is accompanied by an SSN and that could do stuff underwater we would never know about (e.g. harrass the Kilo while submerged) unless the USN tells us or PLAN provides proof. So, BLABLABLA as far is face is concerned.

It is a major attempt to save face, as it seems.

Other than this, I agree, these moves - counter moves are often different in nature than they would be between two small powers.

 

[Penguin]

The submarine tracked the carrier at torpedo range and surfaced to give the USN sailors a little surprise. If this was a war, the carrier would be sunk.

BS. You clearly have no idea what you are talking about. If this were war time, the Kilo would have been attacked by helicopter as soon as detected and as far out as possible. In open ocean, it would be very unlikely to ever get into torpedo range (25-30km, for the longest range torps that China has).

The MH-60R Seahawk multi-mission helicopter, operated by the US Navy is a further development of the SH-60B Seahawk that is now phased out. The fully loaded and armed MR-60R has a range of 454 km / 282 miles / 245 NMi and a combat radius of 93 km, with time on station.

It is a major attempt to save face, as it seems.

Other than this, I agree, these moves - counter moves are often different in nature than they would be between two small powers.

There is no face loss to begin with because nothing significant happened.

 

[TaiShang]

BS. You clearly have no idea what you are talking about. If this were war time, the Kilo would have been attacked by helicopter as soon as detected and as far out as possible. In open ocean, it would be very unlikely to ever get into torpedo range (25-30km, for the longest range torps that China has).

The MH-60R Seahawk multi-mission helicopter, operated by the US Navy is a further development of the SH-60B Seahawk that is now phased out. The fully loaded and armed MR-60R has a range of 454 km / 282 miles / 245 NMi and a combat radius of 93 km, with time on station.


There is no face loss to begin with because nothing significant happened.

Definitely, in war time, the situation would be a lot different for either side. The point is, absent a major provocation, the situation will oscillate between cold peace and limited confrontation.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

Definitely, in war time, the situation would be a lot different for either side. The point is, absent a major provocation, the situation will oscillate between cold peace and limited confrontation.

Correct!

China paper: Cowpens harassed China fleet during drill | Navy Times | navytimes.com

 

[BuddhaPalm]

Correct!

China paper: Cowpens harassed China fleet during drill | Navy Times | navytimes.com

Thanks for bringing up another spanking of USN by PLAN.

Chinese Warship Nearly Collided With USS Cowpens | Military.com

Captain of USS Cowpens relieved of command | FOX5 San Diego – San Diego news, weather, traffic, sports from KSWB

Soon we'll see the captain of the ASW frigate protecting USS Ronald Reagan relieved of command as well for letting a 1990's era Kilo get within torpedo range!

They don't even know about our new 095 SSN stalking them from San Diego to Guam!

 

[Penguin]

Definitely, in war time, the situation would be a lot different for either side. The point is, absent a major provocation, the situation will oscillate between cold peace and limited confrontation.

The point is that the presence of a Chinese Kilo says .... nothing. Well, except for the fact that they have them.

Thanks for bringing up another spanking of USN by PLAN.

Chinese Warship Nearly Collided With USS Cowpens | Military.com

Captain of USS Cowpens relieved of command | FOX5 San Diego – San Diego news, weather, traffic, sports from KSWB

Soon we'll see the captain of the ASW frigate protecting USS Ronald Reagan relieved of command as well for letting a 1990's era Kilo get within torpedo range!

They don't even know about our new 095 SSN stalking them from San Diego to Guam!

Nonsense. Since except by firing a torpedo at the sub or ramming, no USN ship has a way of actually stopping a submarine from being present. An SSN can do different things, that's a different ballgame.

Meanwhile, thanks for informing the USN about the actions of PLAN SSNs.