Chinese Dissident Awarded Nobel Peace Prize

[Omar1984]

It's your own opinion, I don't think most of the other people will agree with that.If it was true then why his supporting political party failed in the elections?

Again, democracy doesnt work for every nation and Pakistan is one of them.

Nawaz Sharif was democratically elected and was overthrown by Musharraf in a military coup in 1999.

In 1999, under Nawaz Sharif, Revenue generation of around Rs.308 billion could not meet the growing expenditure requirements; with only an average of Rs.80 billion being spent on Public sector development programs (PSDP) annually, and no visible project to boast about. From this Rs.308 billion around 65% was being utilized for debt servicing. In 1988 Pakistan’s foreign debt was $18 billion, but at the end of 1999 it had accumulated to become $38 billion. A 100% increased burden on the already crippled economy. Public and external debt exceeded 300% of Foreign exchange earnings.

Musharraf then appointed Shaukat Aziz, a former Citibank executive, as finance minister. Profile: Shaukat Aziz - BBC News

Pakistan’s economy grew by 100% — to become $ 160 billion
Revenue grew by 100% — to become $ 11.4 billion
Per Capita income grew by 100% — to become $ 925
Foreign Reserves grew by 500% — to become $ 17 billion
Exports grew by 100% — to become $ 18.5 billion
Textile exports grew by 100% — to become $ 11.2 billion
Karachi Stock Exchange grew by 500% — to become $ 75 billion
Foreign Direct Investment grew by 500% — to become $ 8.4 billion
Annual Debt servicing decreased by 35% — to become 26%
Poverty decreased by 10% — to become 24%
Literacy ratio grew by 10% — to become 54%
Public development Funds grew by 100% — to become Rs 520 billion[51][52][53][54][55]

The vision and policies helped Pakistan come out of the list of Highly Indebted Poor Countries (HIPC) while setting it on path of prosperity, growth and economic reforms. The world financial institutions like the World Bank[56] and IMF[57] and ADB[58] have been praising Pakistan for its reforms, fiscal policies and macro-economic achievements.

Pervez Musharraf - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[asianamerican]

Democracy doesn't work for every nation.


Look at Pakistan. Pakistan was doing much much better under the dictatorship of Musharraf than the democratic Zardari.


Relations and cooperation with the United States, China, and even India were in an all-time high under the dictatorship of Musharraf.

I actually believe Democracy is the best form of government, but my contention is when and how?

Democracy is the a long term process that should evolve INTERNALLY. I think it takes an INDEPENDENT country 3 or 4 generation to achieve full democracy - that is like 200 years of continous independence. It is like personal progression towards self-actualization but on a national term.

What the West is trying to do is to force people to adopt "Fake democracy" under their institutions. The West never had democracy and was never founded on human rights. Western hegemony doesn't seek to for an equitable world, since the West consist of a tiny minority in the world, but they seek total domination. If there is true equity in the world, China and India should the most voice in world affairs.

This current world is a result of Western colonialism and imperialism. Most modern conflict today between nation and people can be trace back to colonialism and the West tactic of Divide and Conquer.

For a country continous at war in the 50 years, and Norway, home of the Nobel Peace Prize, a NATO parner in currently 2 wars, it all reaks of hypocrisy.

Frankly, the non-Western world (ie non-white world) should give not any credence to Western world.

 

[siegecrossbow]

What the West is trying to do is to force people to adopt "Fake democracy" under their institutions. The West never had democracy and was never founded on human rights. Western hegemony doesn't seek to for an equitable world, since the West consist of a tiny minority in the world, but they seek total domination. If there is true equity in the world, China and India should the most voice in world affairs.

Hear hear! If China will go democratic we should follow the Chinese style of democracy and not just blindly copy and paste the Western system. China-critics want China to start "innovating", right? Then why the hell would you award the Nobel prize to someone who is just going to "steal" the western political system?

 

[peaceful]

Hear hear! If China will go democratic we should follow the Chinese style of democracy and not just blindly copy and paste the Western system. China-critics want China to start "innovating", right? Then why the hell would you award the Nobel prize to someone who is just going to "steal" the western political system?

China-critics? no, no, they are just some China basher.

 

[Nomenclature]

There's still no official response. I wonder what is Li Changchun doing? Didn't they have a contingency plan?

I mean the media blackout is getting ridiculous, they must be smoking some thing real funny if they think a complete blackout is possible in this day and age.

 

[below_freezing]

There's still no official response. I wonder what is Li Changchun doing? Didn't they have a contingency plan?

I mean the media blackout is getting ridiculous, they must be smoking some thing real funny if they think a complete blackout is possible in this day and age.

国内媒体对此事仍然只字不提。在百度上搜索的时候，所有关于这消息的连接都被删除了。妈的比 政府怎么不反击呢？我就觉得政府应该把这些汉奸败类的原话暴露出来，让广大中国人民瞧瞧他们的汉奸样，要不然大多数人都不晓得他们到底在想什么，并且可能对他们产生一种错误的幻想。

现在不是沉默的时候而是反击的时候！不在沉默中消亡，就必须在沉默中爆发！靠，要是在毛主席的年代这种垃圾早就被枪毙了。

 

[siegecrossbow]

国内媒体对此事仍然只字不提。在百度上搜索的时候，所有关于这消息的连接都被删除了。妈的比 政府怎么不反击呢？我就觉得政府应该把这些汉奸败类的原话暴露出来，让广大中国人民瞧瞧他们的汉奸样，要不然大多数人都不晓得他们到底在想什么，并且可能对他们产生一种错误的幻想。

现在不是沉默的时候而是反击的时候！不在沉默中消亡，就必须在沉默中爆发！靠，要是在毛主席的年代这种垃圾早就被枪毙了。

兵熊熊一个，将熊熊一窝. 政府这次办得真他妈的窝囊. 不知道宣传部这帮饭桶是不是在等广大网民替他们出头.

 

[below_freezing]

兵熊熊一个，将熊熊一窝. 政府这次办得真他妈的窝囊. 不知道宣传部这帮饭桶是不是在等广大网民替他们出头.

政府机构需要网民替他们出头？那还要这个机构干嘛？人民是支持政府的，而不是替代政府的，更不是政府的挡箭牌！

 

[siegecrossbow]

政府机构需要网民替他们出头？那还要这个机构干嘛？人民是支持政府的，而不是替代政府的，更不是政府的挡箭牌！

没错. 但政府现在就这鸟德行. 上个月日本扣船还好歹硬了一次.
这次道好... 干脆学鸵鸟了. 和谐社会好啊!

 

[StingRoy]

Nobel Prize Is Seen as Rebuke to China

BEIJING — Few nations today stand as more of a challenge to the democratic model of governance than China, where an 89-year-old Communist Party has managed to quash political movements while creating a roaring, quasi-market economy and enforcing a veneer of social stability.

With the United States’ economy flagging and its global influence in decline, some Chinese leaders now appear confident in asserting that freedom of speech, multiparty elections and constitutional rights — what some human rights advocates call universal values — are indigenous to the West, and that is where they should stay.

The awarding of the Nobel Peace Prize to Liu Xiaobo, 54, was a sharp rejoinder to that philosophy. Of course, it was a Norwegian panel that gave him the prize, providing Chinese officials and their supporters with ample ammunition to denounce the move as another attempt by the West to impose its values on China.

But anticipating the criticism, the judges underscored the support in China for the imprisoned Mr. Liu’s work and his plight, which they said proved that the Chinese were as hungry as anyone for the political freedoms enjoyed in countries like the United States, India and Indonesia.

“The campaign to establish universal human rights also in China is being waged by many Chinese, both in China itself and abroad,” the Norwegian Nobel Committee said. “Through the severe punishment meted out to him, Liu has become the foremost symbol of this wide-ranging struggle for human rights in China.”

The Dalai Lama, the exiled Tibetan spiritual leader who won the prize in 1989, highlighted the grass-roots Chinese push for political reform in a statement praising Mr. Liu, saying that “future generations of Chinese will be able to enjoy the fruits of the efforts that the current Chinese citizens are making towards responsible governance.” Yet the Dalai Lama stands as proof that the struggle for rights in China is a hard one, and that winning the Nobel is no guarantee of achieving even minimal success.

Nevertheless, the number of signatures on Charter 08, the document that Mr. Liu co-drafted that calls for gradually increasing constitutional rights, shows that at the very least, there is an appetite in this country to openly discuss the kind of values that hard-line Communist Party leaders dismiss as a new brand of Western imperialism.

The 300 initial signatures on the document snowballed to 10,000 as it spread on the Internet, even as the government tried its best to stamp it out. Certainly many of those who signed it were intellectuals, not exactly representative of most Chinese, but China has a rich history of political reform led by its elites. Chinese lawyers, journalists, scholars, artists, policy advisers — many among them will be heartened by the Nobel Committee’s decision.

“Today, many people are making efforts,” said Wan Yanhai, the most prominent advocate for AIDS patients in China and one of the initial signers of Charter 08; he left China temporarily for the United States in May because of what he called police harassment. “They’re hidden, but they’re there,” he said. “People are organizing different resistance movements, sometimes in a peaceful way, sometimes in a violent manner.”

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http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/09/world/asia/09beijing.html?_r=1&ref=world

 

[muse]

In the histories of the world, no people have an exclusive claim to fanaticism, but I think a statement attributed to Karl Popper to the effect that, "all wars of the 20th century have been religious wars", speaks volumes about the religious fanaticism that some sections of political opinion in the West, exude; all must submit, all must see in the same light, all must give up their unique history, their unique culture, their unique experience and must champion a experience born of a unique confluence of a unique history, unique culture and unique experience in Europe.

Wait a minute, aren't human rights universal? I mean, aren't we all human? Well, sure we are, but why this individual ? Are there none who champion the rights of those imprisoned in the name of wars of/for terror? none in Africa or in Chechnya? Wait what happened to practice what you preach? No, China is now the second largest economy and will soon be larger than anything imagined in the West, but political opinion in the West is convinced that the rays of light that shine upon the Chinese must be informed by an ethic, an experience, alien to the Chinese.

The Chinese reaction to this provocation has not been nimble, China should allow this decision space and let it pass into history and oblivion - the focus should be on the mission China has for itself and the rest of the world, not on the West and it's fellow travelers.

 

[siegecrossbow]

The Chinese reaction to this provocation has not been nimble, China should allow this decision space and let it pass into history and oblivion - the focus should be on the mission China has for itself and the rest of the world, not on the West and it's fellow travelers.

Understatement of the decade sir. Oh well, let us wait this out. I sincerely hope that I'll be surprised by the response for once.

 

[Sandeep Singh]

Once you start working on something, don't be afraid of failure and don't abandon it. People who work sincerely are the happiest.
Chanakya

China should keep doing what it regards is required regardless of what others think ,eventually every one will fall in line.

 

[lunnn]

Congradulation to Mtr.Liu Xiaobo! It is time for China to start getting political reform, Chinese Style or Any Style! Primer Wen has urged for reform too but
banned by the Chinese Media.

 

[Nomenclature]

Congradulation to Mtr.Liu Xiaobo! It is time for China to start getting political reform, Chinese Style or Any Style! Primer Wen has urged for reform too but
banned by the Chinese Media.

Well, I don't think reform will be on the agenda anytime soon, not after this huge slap on the face for Mr.Wen.

The pro status quo elements in the party will sure seize upon on this to discredit reformers.