Chinese delegation sent to Russia to discuss stealth fighter engine

[Beast]

You funny guy, This article is not written by me and credibility of article is much more than the pathetic troll like you. When we shall put Kaveri in TD1(Single engine), It will carry double payload than your pathetic J 15 (Double engine). It is under testing in Russia. It has a bit more dry thrust than GE 404 and 10 KN less afterburner thrust than GE 404. Since we are not interested in any substandard stuff, we have not used kaveri in Tejas. Your quality standard are very poor WS 10 is good for your plane (4.5 generation according to CHinese media) which can not match a 50 year old single engine fighter in capability. So enjoy your Junk.

Some quote of article of Chinese media.

You funny guy, This article is not written by me and credibility of article is much more than the pathetic troll like you. When we shall put Kaveri in TD1(Single engine), It will carry double payload than your pathetic J 15 (Double engine). It is under testing in Russia. It has a bit more dry thrust than GE 404 and 10 KN less afterburner thrust than GE 404. Since we are not interested in any substandard stuff, we have not used kaveri in Tejas. Your quality standard are very poor WS 10 is good for your plane (4.5 generation according to CHinese media) which can not match a 50 year old single engine fighter in capability. So enjoy your Junk.

Some quote of article of Chinese media.

So much nonsense but nothing to back up? Kaveri still in testing and you want to compare to WS-10 at least powering prototype and operational regiment? Haha..

Indian incompetent is obvious. I am sure Kaveri engine after another 50 years will still in testing. Indian shall take a good look into mirror before calling out others. I guess American teach Indian this bad habit after they try to smear China cyber attack only to be make a mockery by Snowden

We chinese show real facts while Indian just live on fantasy. I know u got nothing to show, so talking nonsense is your only option

Photos: J-10A vs. J-10B recognition tips - Asian Skies

 

[ptldM3]

You mean this?

It's 3D motion detection only, not 3D imaging...you confused....for you don't have yet.

The confused one is you. There are a number of ways to generate 3 demential imagine, synthetic aperture is one. This technology has been around for a long time and is not only used in radars but sonars to map out Topography. Your bold and cluless assertion that Russia does not posses 3 demential imaging was wrong.

 

[ptldM3]

See so many fanboy Russian brag about things they don't even know. 3D imaging and 3D motion dec recruit can also mix up.

Russian military industrious is so wonderful. Then LHD mistral shall throw away.

This is gold, I'm quite aware of the difference, its your friend that is confused, I'm willing to but that neither your friend or you knew what synthetic aperture radar or sonar was otherwise you would keep quiet.

As for the Russian industry being awful. This is almost a comical statement considering that your 'indigenous' ZW-10 was designed by Kamov. Your aircraft carrier is a refurbished Soviet carrier, the aircraft that operate from that carrier are SU-33 copies. The JF-17 radar was based off of Phazatron models, the engines are Russian, the seeker in the PL-12 was partially designed by a Russian company, the J-20 designer admitted that a team of Russian engineers have been involved in the J-20s development.

I can keep going on, just say when.

 

[Beast]

This is gold, I'm quite aware of the difference, its your friend that is confused, I'm willing to but that neither your friend or you knew what synthetic aperture radar or sonar was otherwise you would keep quiet.

As for the Russian industry being awful. This is almost a comical statement considering that your 'indigenous' ZW-10 was designed by Kamov. Your aircraft carrier is a refurbished Soviet carrier, the aircraft that operate from that carrier are SU-33 copies. The JF-17 radar was based off of Phazatron models, the engines are Russian, the seeker in the PL-12 was partially designed by a Russian company, the J-20 designer admitted that a team of Russian engineers have been involved in the J-20s development.

I can keep going on, just say when.

Those are just plain sour grapes. Kamo. Chief openly admit WZ-10 development is totally done by Chinese themselves and they are not involved. The helo has 100% Chinese component including the yu long engine.

And J-15 is copy of Russian Su-33 but is a superior upgrade over the vintage Su-33 and again 100% developed by Chinese themselves.

CV-16 liaoning is just an empty shell and the refurbished job is done by Chinese. There is even a smear claim by Russian that the CV-16 will not have arrestor hook system only to be disappointed

Then there is also many Chinese attempt that is without Russian input , type052C/D destroyer, 056 OPV. JH-7A fighter bomber, Type093 SSN, type094 SSBN, JL-2 ICBM are just some of our totally indignenuous product which you failed to address.

 

[longlong]

The confused one is you. There are a number of ways to generate 3 demential imagine, synthetic aperture is one. This technology has been around for a long time and is not only used in radars but sonars to map out Topography. Your bold and cluless assertion that Russia does not posses 3 demential imaging was wrong.

Impressive! Come back with strong googled imagery!

1) the 1L121-E is not a 3D imaging radar, you confused!

2) Sonar 3D imaging is nothing to with radio waves imaging radar. You confused!

3) Nationalism will not grant you any extra technologies. You confused!

 

[Beast]

Impressive! Come back with strong googled imagery!

1) the 1L121-E is not a 3D imaging radar, you confused!

2) Sonar 3D imaging is nothing to with radio waves imaging radar. You confused!

3) Nationalism will not grant you any extra technologies. You confused!

Precisely, that russian fanatic always make a fool of himself. He is just like one of those typical alcoholic in Russian , always drink and lazy to work. Russia in this poor state is because of having fools like him.

 

[AUSTERLITZ]

Without proper engine giving superb TW ratio,TVC and supercruise,j-20 will be 5th gen fighter in name only.It would stand no chance in head to head fight vs supercruising 5th gen fighter.So better hope russia give them a good engine,but i doubt.Should have taken the pak fa deal when the russians were feeling the money crunch,now with j-11 copyright fiasco and oil money-moment lost.

 

[j20blackdragon]

Without proper engine giving superb TW ratio,TVC and supercruise,j-20 will be 5th gen fighter in name only.

You just described the F-35.

Maybe you should tell Lockheed Martin they don't have a 5th generation fighter.

The bottom line is that the F-35 can fire 4 AIM-120s at BVR and then turn around and leave. It never needs to get into a dogfight in the first place.

The J-20 can do the exact same thing.

 

[AUSTERLITZ]

You just described the F-35.

Maybe you should tell Lockheed Martin they don't have a 5th generation fighter.

The bottom line is that the F-35 can fire 4 AIM-120s at BVR and then turn around and leave. It never needs to get into a dogfight in the first place.

The J-20 can do the exact same thing.

Wrong,it can do that against a non stealth aircraft-not 5th gen stealth.Where the stealth of both aircraft will bring launch ranges very very close and WVr will be inevitable.Without supercruise in a 5th gen fight-ur screwed.

 

[j20blackdragon]

Wrong,it can do that against a non stealth aircraft-not 5th gen stealth.

That's perfect because India's entire airforce is non-stealth, non-5th generation.

Vietnam's entire airforce is non-stealth, non-5th generation.

Philippines' entire airforce is non-stealth, non-5th generation.

China's most likely opponents don't have stealth aircraft in the first place.

Where the stealth of both aircraft will bring launch ranges very very close and WVr will be inevitable.

In a situation like this, modern HMD systems and high off-boresight (HOBS) missiles will kill both sides. It's not a situation you want to be in. Even the F-22 doesn't want to be in a situation like this.

Without supercruise in a 5th gen fight-ur screwed.

The F-35 doesn't have supercruise. Go tell the USAF they're wrong.

 

[longlong]

Wrong,it can do that against a non stealth aircraft-not 5th gen stealth.Where the stealth of both aircraft will bring launch ranges very very close and WVr will be inevitable.Without supercruise in a 5th gen fight-ur screwed.

There have different understanding to the next gen fighter between the members of next-gen-aircraft-maker club, US, Russia, China.

Many will agree the stealth is most important feature of the next gen aircraft. Any other features can be pretty done on existing aircraft. Typhoon, Mig-31, possibly J-10, are super-cruise capable, but they are not 5th.Your pretty unpleasant LCA would be kick-*** predator, if it is full-band stealthy even cruising like a snail.

US: declined. F-22 grounded (many times), F-35 delayed (always), B787 fired (cannot stop). They have to remove the word "Super-cruise" from the 5th aircraft dictionary.
Russia: Last stand. Pak-fa is not so stealthy (2 piece canopy, hanging engines, non S-duct).
China: The rise of machines. J-20/31, a well balanced 5th aircraft between stealth and maneuver.

 

[AUSTERLITZ]

That's perfect because India's entire airforce is non-stealth, non-5th generation.

Vietnam's entire airforce is non-stealth, non-5th generation.

Philippines' entire airforce is non-stealth, non-5th generation.

China's most likely opponents don't have stealth aircraft in the first place.



In a situation like this, modern HMD systems and high off-boresight (HOBS) missiles will kill both sides. It's not a situation you want to be in. Even the F-22 doesn't want to be in a situation like this.



The F-35 doesn't have supercruise. Go tell the USAF they're wrong.

Won't be non stealth by the time j-20 enters service.We will have pak fa as well.

Yep of course kills will occur on both sides,but one with supercruise and high TW ratio will have far superior manueverability and dominate such a fight.

F-35 may not have supercruise,but has one of the greatest TW ratios making it quite manueverable.Also its not designed to take on enemy aircraft of 5th gen alone and its stealth will be better than both j-20 and pak-fa.

There have different understanding to the next gen fighter between the members of next-gen-aircraft-maker club, US, Russia, China.

Many will agree the stealth is most important feature of the next gen aircraft. Any other features can be pretty done on existing aircraft. Typhoon, Mig-31, possibly J-10, are super-cruise capable, but they are not 5th.Your pretty unpleasant LCA would be kick-*** predator, if it is full-band stealthy even cruising like a snail.

US: declined. F-22 grounded (many times), F-35 delayed (always), B787 fired (cannot stop). They have to remove the word "Super-cruise" from the 5th aircraft dictionary.
Russia: Last stand. Pak-fa is not so stealthy (2 piece canopy, hanging engines, non S-duct).
China: The rise of machines. J-20/31, a well balanced 5th aircraft between stealth and maneuver.

China-rise of machines--lol.J-20 itself is mig1.44 rip-off.Its stealth is backward[i mean who places canards on a stealth aircraft.plz] and without a engine to give it proper TW ratio or supercruise it would be a liability against rival 5th gen aircraft in combat.Its only good for legacy aircraft,and by the time it coimes into service those will begin to decline in number.

 

[gambit]

China-rise of machines--lol.J-20 itself is mig1.44 rip-off.Its stealth is backward[i mean who places canards on a stealth aircraft.plz] and without a engine to give it proper TW ratio or supercruise it would be a liability against rival 5th gen aircraft in combat.Its only good for legacy aircraft,and by the time it coimes into service those will begin to decline in number.

Not one of these guys understand the basic principles involved. Not here. Not over at CDF. All they know how to do is regurgitate debunked arguments. After a while, once the silent readers have been properly informed of the technical truth and the Chinese members' ignorance, let the Chinese members here have their delusions.

 

[longlong]

Won't be non stealth by the time j-20 enters service.We will have pak fa as well.

Yep of course kills will occur on both sides,but one with supercruise and high TW ratio will have far superior manueverability and dominate such a fight.

F-35 may not have supercruise,but has one of the greatest TW ratios making it quite manueverable.Also its not designed to take on enemy aircraft of 5th gen alone and its stealth will be better than both j-20 and pak-fa.



China-rise of machines--lol.J-20 itself is mig1.44 rip-off.Its stealth is backward[i mean who places canards on a stealth aircraft.plz] and without a engine to give it proper TW ratio or supercruise it would be a liability against rival 5th gen aircraft in combat.Its only good for legacy aircraft,and by the time it coimes into service those will begin to decline in number.

LOL, low iq

Not one of these guys understand the basic principles involved. Not here. Not over at CDF. All they know how to do is regurgitate debunked arguments. After a while, once the silent readers have been properly informed of the technical truth and the Chinese members' ignorance, let the Chinese members here have their delusions.

Your physics is old and simple: anti Chinese first, then think it why.

You see, you supported a guy who laugh J-20 can not super cruise which is must for a 5th. when we told him super cruise is absent on F-35. then he derail to others. this is called smelly mouth.
really wasting time on both of you 2.

 

[gambit]

LOL, low iq

Your physics is old and simple: anti Chinese first, then think it why.

You see, you supported a guy who laugh J-20 can not super cruise which is must for a 5th. when we told him super cruise is absent on F-35. then he derail to others. this is called smelly mouth.
really wasting time on both of you 2.

So say the guy who cannot identify the major structures of an aircraft.

This is YOUR illustration, buddy, and according to Chinese aviation, the F-22 have 'Gian canards'.

Another PLA conscript reject assigned to Internet troll duty.