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Chinese Chengdu J-10 Emerges!!

From the tilted airframe nose's new looks, J-10B is designed to fit AESA radar. Also, the latest WS10A engine is rumored to reached 155kn, which is much bigger than the currently equipt AL-31. I think J-10B will be upgraded soon with the new stuff. Once the upgrade is done it will be better than any version of currently fielded F-16. It may take a few years, though.

J10 is a good machine, and a mean one at that. But the thing is that F16 was such a modular design, even today it can be upgraded to latest standards. There are countries which even today are buying the F16. When it was offered to India in MMRCA, we thought it was just a kid as compared to typhoons and rafales, but the airforce is completely surprised with this new block F16.

F16 Super Viper J10B
Radar AESA PESA
Missile AMRAAM,Sidewinder PL11,PL12
Thrust 144KN af/b 129KN af/b

With the superior combat management suite that F16 has, all these qualities can be put to good use.
 
Thread starts: Pakistan inducting chinese planes
New post comes in about how it doesnt measure up to western fighters
Next comes one about what a big pile of crap both countries are making/acquiring
In reply, China Pakistan and India bashing continues on the line of Communism, Failed State, and lack of toilet for shitting.


With so much hate embedded in people, i think US is wise; give weapons to both, sale chakh chakh krte rehte hain, let em fight it out and we'll rid the world of ~2.8 billion people; which will bring peace and happiness and food security to the whole world. Great game USA; im moving next month :wave:; the subcontinent as it is has become (or rather has been from day 1) a shitty place to live in.


So you mean your own Country is a Shitty place? Ok fair enough i like the way you think.

And good luck with your new Home hope Pakistan would not " need " you and you would never know what happens to the Place where you are going , at least we have a Nuclear umbrella:rolleyes:.

:pakistan:
 
J-10 fighter enters international market at $40 million
16:29, January 21, 2010


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Recently, the U.S. think tank, International Assessment and Strategy Center, published an article about the Chinese J-10 fighter. The article claimed that the J-10 fighter is about to enter the international market after 2010, while its price tag of 40 million U.S. dollars is half of its U.S. counterpart, the F-16 fighter.

According to the article, the J-10 fighter is going to sell on the international weapons market around 2010 after extensive R&D and equipping of the Chinese Air Force is complete. It is understood that the Chinese Air Force started developing J-10 back in the 1960s, and it has been fully equipped for the last five years.

The progress that China has made in developing the engine makes the fighter very competitive on international markets; while with its good quality electronics and weapon systems, the price is just half of an American F-16. Pakistan is sure to be the first buyer, and many countries including Iran and the Philippines are also planning to introduce the fighter.

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According to Pakistani sources, Pakistan has already reached an agreement with China to buy 36 J-10 fighters at a total value of 1.4 billion U.S. dollars (40 million U.S. dollars for each fighter). While the single price for an F-16, which U.S. sold to the UAE affiliated with AN/APG-80 radar, was 80 million U.S dollars. At the moment it is unclear whether spare parts, maintenance support, training and other services are included into the J-10's price. It is estimated that Pakistan might buy 70 to 150 J-10 fighters in all.


Besides price, what makes the J-10 attractive is its competitive electronics and weapon systems. The latest version, sometimes called the J-10B (or FC-20 when slated for Pakistan) emerged in Internet photos in January 2009. It features a driverless supersonic inlet similar in principle to that of the Joint Strike Fighter. The nose is redesigned, with an infrared search-and-track system in front of the windscreen and what appears to be a canted radar bulkhead consisting of a fixed, electronically scanned array radar (AESA?). If true, this would be a major advance for China's radar technology, and may make the J-10 competitive with upgraded Western and Russian fourth-generation-plus fighters. The cockpit is dominated by three multifunction displays and a heads-up display.

The J-10 has 11 hardpoints, including five on the fuselage. Its principal counter-air weapon is the Luoyang PL 12 active radar-guided air-to-air missile (AAM) with 70-km. range. With a twin-AAM pylon on the inner wing mount, plus two on forward fuselage mounts, the J-10 can carry eight PL-12s. Short-range AAMs include the PL-8, a copy of the Israeli Python-3, and an improved version of this missile, the PL-9, both helmet-sighted. The J-10 may soon feature a more capable helmet-mounted display and a new fifth-generation AAM from Luoyang.

The fighter's market success will depend on China's ability to produce reliable advanced turbofan engines. Rival fighter maker Shenyang has been developing its WS-10A Taihang turbofan since the mid-1980s, which could offer 13.2 tons of thrust. Russian sources believe it is beset by developmental difficulties.

Chengdu may have a competing Huashan advanced turbofan engine program, which some Chinese sources note is based on its late-1990s acquisition of the engineering data and sales rights to the Tumansky R-79 turbofan developed for the defunct Yakovlev Yak-141 supersonic vertical/short-takeoff-and-landing fighter. Nevertheless, Russian sources say China remains interested in more powerful versions of the Salyut AL-31FN, which could come in 13.5- and, eventually, 15-ton-thrust versions.

Chengdu remains ready to develop a carrier-based version of the J-10. During the PLAAF anniversary, a test pilot was reported noting that ground-test simulations prove the J-10 can operate from a carrier.

Global Times contributes to the story

By People's Daily Online

J-10 fighter enters international market at $40 million - People's Daily Online

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Can someone explain the engine?

its AL-31FN modified version of Satrun Al-31(position of gear box etc are different from original Al-31) just as RD-33 was modified into RD-93 ...

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AL-31 is a family of turbofan engines developed to power the Su-27/32 multi-role fighter aircraft family. They were developed by the former Soviet Union and currently are manufactured by NPO Saturn. They deliver between 27,000- and 32,000 pounds of thrust and are one of the keys for Su-27 outstanding performance. Besides growing in thrust, AL-31 have incorporated other advancements such as Thrust Vectoring Control (TVC) providing Super Maneuverability to Su-27/32 aircraft.

The NPO Saturn AL-31F model was selected to power the Su-27 and Su-27UB aircraft and is rated at 27,500 pounds of thrust. The same engine was also provided to the Su-33 and Su-30MK aircraft. Some reports suggested that Russia was offering AL-31 to Iran to re-engine its F-14 Tomcat air defense fighters in the late 1990s. It is also known that AL-31FN is an engine option for some Chinese indigenous fighter aircraft programs such as J-10/F-10 and FBC-1. In early February 2009, Rosoboronexport stated that had signed up a new contract for the supply of more than 100 engines to power the People's Liberation Army Air Force (PLAAF) J-10 jet.
 

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So you mean your own Country is a Shitty place? Ok fair enough i like the way you think.

And good luck with your new Home hope Pakistan would not " need " you and you would never know what happens to the Place where you are going , at least we have a Nuclear umbrella:rolleyes:.

:pakistan:

Subcontinent :disagree:

w.r.t living conditions

Struggling for roti, ghee, cheeni in an agricultural economy doesnt make it paradise either :rolleyes:

And yes i was being sarcastic about moving to the US if you didn't get notice earlier... :pakistan:
 
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