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Man, pretty please, for god sake, You Indians don't even have the

ability to reverse engineer a WW1 assualt rifle, please stop using your

big mouth trying hard to score some points on the moral ground, it

won't work, "Full display of sour grape mentality"
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i just was answering why China doesnt let many things to know...:)
also India has more open society and as India doesnt copy so obviously things like planes and all that is in public domain...as this is considered simple information...and nothing much to hide here...

but still the more secretive ones are there which will never be out.....

well honest, i just take it as the difference of policies and approach of both countries. India has its own objectives while china has its own.. China can't publish such things because US are having a close eye at them, and US always having serious concerns about china.. So china can't allow a new cold war with US with publishing everything like india do..

On the other hand, india has to advertise whatever he is doing, i know there are secret things as well which are always kept secret, however, apart from them, india advertise things to gain interest of its public and because of other internal aspects.. which i think you indians can better understand.. :P Indian also rely mostly at imports from other countries while china always try to find solutions at its own.. anything at which china faces difficulty in acquiring, china try to develop it at its own.

So its just difference of policies and constraints that both counties have.. therefore their approach is totally different from each other..
 
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guyz stop the fight plz, and i want some pro to put some real solid analysis of chinese air power, along with the coming projects so that we can visualize what's coming in PLAAF till 2020 - 2025..
 
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To increase ur knowledge....China has different generations AC then wester AC generation AC

Western 2nd gen AC's = China 1st gen AC's (Chinees call thenm 1st gene)

Similarly
Western 3rd gen AC's = China 2nd gen AC's
Western 4th gen AC's = China 3rd gen AC's
Western 5th gen AC's = China 4th gen AC's






Now coming to China Fleet acc to weki (only 4th and above gen AC)

180 + J-10B (Western 4th gen AC)
50 + SU 27(Western 4th gen AC)
100 + SU 30 (Western 4.5th gen AC)
100 + J-11(Western 4th gen AC)

Almost 400+ 4th and 4.5th gen AC

Now comparing them to Indian fleet
60 Mig 29
120 Su-30 MKI
40 Mirage

Almost 250 + 4th and 4.5th gen AC


Staticitcs

Overall numbers

China > India

Overall Quality

China > India

Overall Number of Quality Planes

China >> India

Over All:
China Over India


Now .....many would have hard time to digest this ........
But this is reality who ever wt ever say on this forum or any forum in the world.

China is much superioir then India
count out the J-10 and J-11.

Overall Quality

China > India
prove how...coz the current fleet of IAF is more technologically advanced then PLAAF....

therefore

Overall Quality
India > China

keep j-10 and j-11 out.
Overall Number of Quality planes
india > CHina

as PLAFF
1)cant enter Indian air space
2)cant dominate indian air space.
3) cant use all its planes with India
4)India with superior MKI, Mig-29 and Mirage

So

overall in the scenario

India(advantage) >> CHina
 
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yes u have a bigger economy than what...??
US,JAPAN has bigger then urs...
what is imp is all the US,JAPAN,INDIA,CHINA are big economies....

So US,JAPAN are developed and India, CHina are doing good....

I need correct you on this.
China has bigger economy than Japan now.
US economy is 3times than china and japan.
The economy of china and japan is almost the same.
The economy of China and Japan is more than 4times than that of Indian.
 
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count out the J-10 and J-11.


prove how...coz the current fleet of IAF is more technologically advanced then PLAAF....

therefore

Overall Quality
India > China

keep j-10 and j-11 out.
Overall Number of Quality planes
india > CHina

as PLAFF
1)cant enter Indian air space
2)cant dominate indian air space.
3) cant use all its planes with India
4)India with superior MKI, Mig-29 and Mirage

So

overall in the scenario

India(advantage) >> CHina

Oh, you are now out of controll.:rofl:
 
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well, i'm sorry. but your comment seems difficult to be followed. correct me, if i get you wrong.

I dont know how your scenerio is plausable. Tibet is a free area to fly in expecially if your flying at high altitudes,and the intercept time for Inaf would be far less.
mind to explain a little bit about this, why? are you suggesting that the SAMs and intercepters are nothing but toys. and far less intercept time is an advantage?

Those bombers would either get shot down or the cruise missiles will.
how? the bombers can launch their missile 500-1000km away from the india border. as to the cruise mussiles, yes, some of them will be shot down but not all. and they are so cheap compare to their target's value or even that of the intercept missiles. so mass production is not a problem. on the other hand, it will take time for India to import the intercept missiles if they are still available.

If the Inaf dicided to strike the PLA the would in Tibet cutting apart their supply line. You seem to assume the PLA would have it easy when it come to air warfare against India.

i think you meant IAF can cut the supply line of tibet, right? and yes, that is possible. the question is a) at what cost and most importantly b)for how long.

and i never said that it would be easy to counter the IAF, what i said was the PLAAF can, despite with some or even heavy casualties. bacause they got the upper hand in logistic and reinforcement.

The PLAAF wont resort to an offensive because much of their time would be left on the offensive because of Tibet and the high altitude. If the PLA wanted to strike India, they would with ballistic missiles. The one thing that is sure to work. You assume things that are wrong. You assumed PLAAF can sustian operations easily in Tibet when in reality they are hampered with quantity! So how are they going to use there advantage?

i think you meant "defensive". actually PLAAF knows that too, so no bombers were deploied in Tibet, just intercepters. All bombers will take off from the middle or eastern part of china. and, again, they will launch CMs not BMs.


If the Inaf dicid to escalate the war they can bring the fight to Tibet but the reverse is nearly impossible infact sucidal given the friendly home front advantage of the Inaf.

for how long you can bring the fight to Tibet will depend on how much airport, airplanes and ammos do you left.

And what makes you thing the PLAAF will be an offensive air force? when was the last time they droped bombs like the Inaf did to Pakistan in 1971 and Kargil?

PLAAF is not an offensive air force now, she is a defensive air force with certain offensive capability (she has strategic bombers, escorts of the bombers, refuel planes, but not in large quantity compare to US or Russia).
 
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why count J-10 out? in fact I would even count J-8's in, since J-8's have already been retrofitted for 4th generation performance in many areas and can fire BVR missiles even without the guidance of AWACs.
 
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when was the last time they droped bombs like the Inaf did to Pakistan in 1971 and Kargil?

to make things clear 1971 both sides droped bomb at each other
in kargil Pakistan need not to drop bombs at india it was not necessory.. btw we shot down 2 migs
 
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I need correct you on this.
China has bigger economy than Japan now.
US economy is 3times than china and japan.
The economy of china and japan is almost the same.
The economy of China and Japan is more than 4times than that of Indian.

ok so be it... but all are big economies that is what matters....
as no one is a failing economy which is when it hurts....
coz the above economies are large enough to support their armed forces...
also as we are discussing IAF and PLAAF...
 
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Just because of around 98 or so su30-mki's you guys have started bragging about technological advantage.. cm on yaar.. grow up

what about 120+ J-11B+Su-30MKK/2 and 172+ J-11+Su27

i dont see any technological advantage of IAF left against PLAAF... except in your brains ofcourse.. :partay:
 
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guyz stop the fight plz, and i want some pro to put some real solid analysis of chinese air power, along with the coming projects so that we can visualize what's coming in PLAAF till 2020 - 2025..
dear the realistically speaking by 2020-25 nothing much is goign to change..
infact IAF is going to get more deadly...als there is real concern for both Pak and China, with IAF plans to induct the LCA, MMRCA and PAKFA...by 2020 IAF is well set to be a dominat player.....and be the most advanced air force fo the region.....
there is nothing much China could do about it.....coz its own planes are not going to be there so soon and also are not going to be as advanced....
but there is only one thing that China need not worry coz India will not attack China.....
 
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leave the one liners plz.....[/QUOTE]

Look who is talking " One Liner" ?, there is a different with a one liner

with wisdom and a long post full of BS like yours, i hope you get my

messege.

Now, will you please share your opinion on this ? if not, "Shut the hell

up for good"

“For a country like India which has global aspirations and the third-largest standing armed forces in the world, it’s very embarrassing that over 70% of its military requirements have to be imported,” said a senior officer.

He said bringing in private players was very important for the aviation sector as India was not even contributing one per cent to the world market in the aerospace industry.

Asking the private companies to learn reverse engineering processes the way China did to develop most of its defence technologies, he said, "Forget about ethics. China has done all the reverse engineering. Has anyone ever had the courage to ask China why are you doing it. No one cares a hoot. If you can’t do it yourself, you should know how to reverse engineering.

"We have not been able to move forward for some reason or the other," Barbora added.

IAF Vice Chief Air Marshal P K Barbora: India can’t even match up against Pakistan in defense Military Strategy
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