China's 'Best And Brightest' Leaving U.S. Universities And Returning Home

[beijingwalker]

China's 'Best And Brightest' Leaving U.S. Universities And Returning Home
APR 17, 2017 @ 08:18 AM 23,153

Chinese college students studying in the U.S. are finding it just as interesting these days to return home to the world's No. 2 economy rather than staying a few years in the world's No. 1.

Some 82.23% of students who studied abroad returned to China last year, up from 72.38% in 2012, according to government figures.

China's 21st Century Education Research Institute said foreign countries’ job markets could not accommodate the surge in Chinese students. It wasn't just Chinese studying in their preferred country -- the United States -- but also included students that were studying in New Zealand and Australia as well. National Institute of Education Sciences researcher Chu Chaohui said returning students had more resources and better networks in China to find a job, while Chinese students in the U.S. were dependent on 20,000 H1-B visas for tens of thousands of students, not only from China, and the majority of them working in computer sciences.

Most wealthy Chinese that buy real estate in the U.S. are buying properties for their children to live in during their college years. In fact, college is the number one driver of Chinese real estate sales here. But as this market gets more saturated, and as China's economy becomes more entrepreneurial, students are finding the market to be just as welcoming to them there. Having a U.S. diploma helps.

China students are leading recipients of H1-B student visas, but still pale in comparison to Indian students who tend to be swept up by the big Indian outsourcers like Infosys upon graduation. Under the visa, foreign students are allowed to stay in the country for three years. The visa is renewable for another three.

President Donald Trump has said that he wants the U.S. immigration policy to focus on the "best and the brightest". To some degree, that is the H1-B visa program which is also designed to keep foreign college students in the U.S. economy, primarily in the high-tech fields.

China accounts for less than 12% of all H1-B visas, according to the United States Citizenship and Immigration Service.

Most of the move home is due to the difficulty of finding work abroad, and a better market for private sector jobs in China, according to a number of students.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrap...universities-and-returning-home/#4063ec831d41

 

[beijingwalker]

So the so called democracy is not really that appealing, the youngsters just like to go there to get a diploma cause it's much easier for them to get admitted by US universities than by the Chinese ones.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

China's 'Best And Brightest' Leaving U.S. Universities And Returning Home
APR 17, 2017 @ 08:18 AM 23,153

Chinese college students studying in the U.S. are finding it just as interesting these days to return home to the world's No. 2 economy rather than staying a few years in the world's No. 1.

Some 82.23% of students who studied abroad returned to China last year, up from 72.38% in 2012, according to government figures.

China's 21st Century Education Research Institute said foreign countries’ job markets could not accommodate the surge in Chinese students. It wasn't just Chinese studying in their preferred country -- the United States -- but also included students that were studying in New Zealand and Australia as well. National Institute of Education Sciences researcher Chu Chaohui said returning students had more resources and better networks in China to find a job, while Chinese students in the U.S. were dependent on 20,000 H1-B visas for tens of thousands of students, not only from China, and the majority of them working in computer sciences.

Most wealthy Chinese that buy real estate in the U.S. are buying properties for their children to live in during their college years. In fact, college is the number one driver of Chinese real estate sales here. But as this market gets more saturated, and as China's economy becomes more entrepreneurial, students are finding the market to be just as welcoming to them there. Having a U.S. diploma helps.

China students are leading recipients of H1-B student visas, but still pale in comparison to Indian students who tend to be swept up by the big Indian outsourcers like Infosys upon graduation. Under the visa, foreign students are allowed to stay in the country for three years. The visa is renewable for another three.

President Donald Trump has said that he wants the U.S. immigration policy to focus on the "best and the brightest". To some degree, that is the H1-B visa program which is also designed to keep foreign college students in the U.S. economy, primarily in the high-tech fields.

China accounts for less than 12% of all H1-B visas, according to the United States Citizenship and Immigration Service.

Most of the move home is due to the difficulty of finding work abroad, and a better market for private sector jobs in China, according to a number of students.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrap...universities-and-returning-home/#4063ec831d41

This has already posted in another thread a month or so ago.
Forbes is twisting things. 82.3% are returning because they CAN'T STAY IN THE US!!!! It's just impossible. As simple as that. There's somewhere around 300,000+ Chinese students in the US. You can't have 300,000 people cut in front of the Visa line. There's a set limit for how many students each year can stay after graduation.

(This only goes up to 2012...by 2016 the number was 300,000!!!!)

Every year the number of Chinese students
in the US goes up...and every year the number of students who are forced to go back also goes up.

By the way 17.7% of 300,000+ (every year!!) is still a brain drain. Each graduate needs a company to sponsor their stay. So these people will have to be the best of the bunch. If the company ends up not liking them it is back on the plane to China.

 

[Sully3]

pakistan and indias brain drain is the reason the countries haven't developed in the same way as China, UAE etc. we loose all our brightest and young talent to the states, europe and even the middle east.

 

[beijingwalker]

This has already posted in another thread a month or so ago.
Forbes is twisting things. 82.3% are returning because they CAN'T STAY IN THE US!!!! It's just impossible. As simple as that. There's somewhere around 300,000+ Chinese students in the US. You can't have 300,000 people cut in front of the Visa line. There's a set limit for how many students each year can stay after graduation.

(This only goes up to 2012...by 2016 the number was 300,000!!!!)

Every year the number of Chinese students
in the US goes up...and every year the number of students who are forced to go back also goes up.

By the way 17.7% of 300,000+ (every year!!) is still a brain drain. Each graduate needs a company to sponsor their stay. So these people will have to be the best of the bunch. If the company ends up not liking them it is back on the plane to China.

20 years ago they would stay in US anyway cause US is not really a country you have to stay with proper document, but now they chose to come back to China cause China offers better opportunities now. See how the world can change in merely 10-20 years.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

20 years ago they would stay in US anyway cause US is not really a country you have to stay with proper document, but now they chose to come back to China cause China offers better opportunities now. See how the world can change in merely 10-20 years.

20 years ago since there were not many Chinese students studying here you had an excellent chance of being allowed to stay. Now that the number has hit the 330,000+ mark the chances of being allowed to stay are much much lower. So the 17% are the lucky ones. Many many more were denied. BTW 17% is still much higher than the TOTAL number of Chinese students enrolled in the US 20 years ago. Nevermind the number who stayed 20 years ago.

I believe the cap is 65,000 (for everybody) under the H1-B program. So there's no way all the Chinese students can stay.

 

[SorryNotSorry]

20 years ago they would stay in US anyway cause US is not really a country you have to stay with proper document, but now they chose to come back to China cause China offers better opportunities now. See how the world can change in merely 10-20 years.

Not that they don't want to stay in the US, but that they can't. Most of them mathematically won't get the H1-B, and so can't stay.

 

[Tauren Paladin]

That's good for China, more engineers, doctors, scientists, accountants and other skilled laborers return home to help and develop the country.

 

[jhungary]

20 years ago since there were not many Chinese students studying here you had an excellent chance of being allowed to stay. Now that the number has hit the 330,000+ mark the chances of being allowed to stay are much much lower. So the 17% are the lucky ones. Many many more were denied. BTW 17% is still much higher than the TOTAL number of Chinese students enrolled in the US 20 years ago. Nevermind the number who stayed 20 years ago.

I believe the cap is 65,000 (for everybody) under the H1-B program. So there's no way all the Chinese students can stay.

lol.....They have raised the same topic and going on again.

People are expecting to see a recede of net immigration from anywhere. In the US, there are not many for a Chinese to go for to stay after their J-1 finished, you either go for another J-1 or you get the H1-B or EB-5 (Investment visa) to stay in the US.

A lot of them have simply choose to go home, Unlike Student from Australia or UK, where they have unconditional non-immigrant treaty visa (Such as E-3 for Australian) the chances to stay in the US is actually quite slim.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

lol.....They have raised the same topic and going on again.

People are expecting to see a recede of net immigration from anywhere. In the US, there are not many for a Chinese to go for to stay after their J-1 finished, you either go for another J-1 or you get the H1-B or EB-5 (Investment visa) to stay in the US.

A lot of them have simply choose to go home, Unlike Student from Australia or UK, where they have unconditional non-immigrant treaty visa (Such as E-3 for Australian) the chances to stay in the US is actually quite slim.

I hear 99.9999% of US tourists who visit China actually decide not to stay in China and come back to the US. Those are incredible numbers! It's mind boggling!! How can that be?? It's beyond logic! China must really be bad if so many US tourists decide not to stay...that must be the reason!

 

[beijingwalker]

I hear 99.9999% of US tourists who visit China actually decide not to stay in China and come back to the US. Those are incredible numbers! It's mind boggling!! How can that be?? It's beyond logic! China must really be bad if so many US tourists decide not to stay...that must be the reason!

You heard? Actually there are so many Americans living in Beijing city alone, they are everywhere here. and as I mentioned, you don't need a visa to stay in US if you really want. 20 years ago nearly every Chinese chose to stay even after their visas expired or having no visas at all, but now the vast majority voluntarily choose to come back , every Chinese I know studying in US in recent years came back or are going to come back, the drastic change in these 10- 20 years, such a short span of time, is something worth noticing.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

You heard? Actually there are so many Americans living in Beijing city alone, they are everywhere here. and as I mentioned, you don't need a visa to stay in US if you really want. 20 years ago nearly every Chinese chose to stay even after their visas expired or having no visas at all, but now the vast majority voluntarily choose to come back , every Chinese I know studying in US in recent years came back or are going to come back, the drastic change in these 10- 20 years, such a short span of time, is something worth noticing.

Yes, there are Americans living in China.

But you mean 300,000 Americans can book a flight to Beijing tomorrow and stay as long as they'd like? That's awesome!

 

[MultaniGuy]

@Topic, well thays good to hear. Good to hear China rising.

 

[beijingwalker]

Yes, there are Americans living in China.

But you mean 300,000 Americans can book a flight to Beijing tomorrow and stay as long as they'd like?

I am talking about the change, people go wherever they can find more opportunities and make more money, this trend will only be stronger with each passing day.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

I am talking about the change, people go wherever they can find more opportunities and make more money, this trend will only be stronger with every passing day.

There's this little thing called visiting restrictions. 300,000 Americans can't just fly in to Beijing and stay. They have to go home. Sort of a crazy notion this thing called "rules". Same as the 300,000+ Chinese students here. There are restrictions...they have to go home unless they find some company that will sponsor them to stay - and even then there is a limit.. So yes 82% of the 300,000+ students go back to China. What a shocker!!