Why aren't Chinese students at UK universities getting top degrees?

[jaunty]

What I should or shouldn't do not your fag problem, you're opinion don't matter to me why the fag you invite me to read your freaking opinion.

It will help you to masquerade ( 假面舞会), right now it's too obvious.

 

[Speeder 2]

The article only mentioned uk vs Chinese students. No Indians were mentioned.

On average the Chinese (including British-Chinese and FOB Chinese from China and SE Asia) academic record in the UK has been ranked THE #1 by a huge margin, years after years for as long as I could recall. The Chinese even beat the English on subject English.

 

[Established_1965]

I think you need to browse the entry requirements of those 2-year MBA programmes offered by INSEAD, Harvard, MIT, Stanford, Penn, Chicago, Iese, Ceibs, HKUST, Kellog, Stern, Haas etc to get an idea

2-year programs are more rigorous and generally harder to get into than 1-year counterparts



The margin of error between the leading group is small
The difference is more solidly reflected between the leading pack and the bottomers



Read the metholodogy used in the test dude. It was not intended to cream the elites of each participating countries in the assessements

Well, let me make it simple! I am a part time lecture for almost 4-5 universities and I have also been a guest lecture for various universities( US,Uk, France, Sweden, India and China[On December 2014]) So I know very well how 1 year MBA differs from 2 year MBA course.

You need to do more research rather than giving obsolete answers.

Moreover, The universities which you have listed is specialised in different fields of research and innovation. So comparing their module and course of action with other universities is a total waste of time.

MBA program of INSEAD and MBA program of London school of business are different.

Believe me 1 year MBA will screw you more than 2 year MBA. 1 Year MBA is for people with high level of experience.

When comes to sampling and Test score for testing IQ, its really depends on Probability. You can research on it but it's not always 100% factual.

For example, IQ test claimed there are people who have better IQ than Einstein but none or most of them didn't receive any nobel laureate.

 

[shuttler]

Well, let me make it simple! I am a part time lecture for almost 4-5 universities and I have also been a guest lecture for various universities( US,Uk, France, Sweden, India and China[On December 2014]) So I know very well how 1 year MBA differs from 2 year MBA course.You need to do more research rather than giving obsolete answers.

Moreover, The universities which you have listed is specialised in different fields of research and innovation. So comparing their module and course of action with other universities is a total waste of time.

What courses are you teaching
I am surprised that you have made these comments for the top MBA universities of the world that I have mentioned above
All of their admission requires a combiation of working experience + very high GMAT + very high GPA + recomendations/interviews/ essays

MBA program of INSEAD and MBA program of London school of business are different.

the other universities above-mentioned are not much different

Believe me 1 year MBA will screw you more than 2 year MBA. 1 Year MBA is for people with high level of experience.

Experience may be but for quality - NO
Most of the 1-year programmes are offered as "executive programmes" at night time or on week ends
2-year programmes are better

When comes to sampling and Test score for testing IQ, its really depends on Probability. You can research on it but it's not always 100% factual.

read the PISA's comments, their methodologies and the qualifications of the people involved
as I said the top tiers pack may have little variations but it is a big difference between the toppers and bottomers

For example, IQ test claimed there are people who have better IQ than Einstein but none or most of them didn't receive any nobel laureate.

nobel prize is just one out of many form of demonstrating your intelligence level
getting a nobel prize also involve other factors like industry, research environment etc than intelligence

 

[Established_1965]

What courses are you teaching
I am surprised that you have made these comments for the top MBA universities of the world that I have mentioned above
All of their admission requires a combiation of working experience + very high GMAT + very high GPA + recomendations/interviews/ essays


the other universities above-mentioned are not much different



Experience may be but for quality - NO
Most of the 1-year programmes are offered as "executive programmes" at night time or on week ends
2-year programmes are better



read the PISA's comments, their methodologies and the qualifications of the people involved
as I said the top tiers pack may have little variations but it is a big difference between the toppers and bottomers



nobel prize is just one out of many form of demonstrating your intelligence level
getting a nobel prize also involve other factors like industry, research environment etc than intelligence

Mostly I handle marketing,entrepreneurship, stratergy and leadership.
Question 1)
Always remember this for MBA courses GMAT or your GPA will be waived off if you have a good research paper or a good working experience. Universities are way smarter to just believe on your GMAT scores.

For example, if a University just got one MBA ticket which is being contested by 2 people like 1 with a good GMAT, GPA score and another with a good work experience, the University will always chose the guy with good work experience. Most of the people have no idea about it because they don't know how University selection committee works.

One important note, your GPA or GMAT scores are considered as minimum requirements.

Question 2)
Executive MBA is different from 1 year MBA. Don't get confused between them. Let me ask you a question here, how come you say that 2 year MBA got better quality, please provide detailed explanation rather than giving vague answers.

Question 3)
As i told you before,PROBABILITY does not reflect the greater picture. As you have mentioned in your own statement, a person with higher IQ does not translate into higher achievements. With right type of education and with good experience everyone can achieve something in their life.

 

[shuttler]

Mostly I handle marketing,entrepreneurship, stratergy and leadership.

Wow that is crazily busy for a "part time lecturer"
Each of the subjects has their own very involved domain

Question 1)

Always remember this for MBA courses GMAT or your GPA will be waived off if you have a good research paper or a good working experience. Universities are way smarter to just believe on your GMAT scores.

For example, if a University just got one MBA ticket which is being contested by 2 people like 1 with a good GMAT, GPA score and another with a good work experience, the University will always chose the guy with good work experience. Most of the people have no idea about it because they don't know how University selection committee works.

One important note, your GPA or GMAT scores are considered as minimum requirements.

If I had known which school or courses that you are teaching I would encourage the students to drop the course(s) taught by you all together

Always remember the universities' committee for evaluating MBA admissions take all of the factors into consideration
Not just 1 or 2 factors!

Question 2)
Executive MBA is different from 1 year MBA. Don't get confused between them. Let me ask you a question here, how come you say that 2 year MBA got better quality, please provide detailed explanation rather than giving vague answers.

that is an norm widely accepted by all top MBA universities in the world
The MBA courses offered at the above-named universities all offer 2-year programmes
Name some universities to this forum that offer just 1-year MBA courses and they are also ranked in the top 10

Question 3)

As I told you before,PROBABILITY does not reflect the greater picture. As you have mentioned in your own statement, a person with higher IQ does not translate into higher achievements. With right type of education and with good experience everyone can achieve something in their life.

that is absurd
I said noble prize winners get their score not just by having high IQ but through a combination of factors like hard worling, good research environment (well-equipped labs, funding etc)
My post was to refute your logic

 

[Established_1965]

Wow that is crazily busy for a "part time lecturer"
Each of the subjects has their own very involved domain



If I had known which school or courses that you are teaching I would encourage the students to drop the course(s) taught by you all together

Always remember the universities' committee for evaluating MBA admissions take all of the factors into consideration
Not just 1 or 2 factors!



that is an norm widely accepted by all top MBA universities in the world
The MBA courses offered at the above-named universities all offer 2-year programmes
Name some universities to this forum that offer just 1-year MBA courses and they are also ranked in the top 10



that is absurd
I said noble prize winners get their score not just by having high IQ but through a combination of factors like hard worling, good research environment (well-equipped labs, funding etc)
My post was to refute your logic

As I have told you before, I'm a Part Time Lecturer in other words i love to spread my knowledge. Entrepreneurship, Marketing, Strategy and leadership work together.If you still have no idea about it go and ask your professor or your friends who have completed MBA.

We were talking about How 1 year MBA differs from 2 Year MBA and not Why some of the universities you mentioned doesn't provide 1 year MBA!

Ever heard of IMD, INSEAD, IE business school, London Business School is (15 months less than 2 years),. Let me mention 1 more school here Hong Kong UST business school also offer both 12 month and 15 month (FULL-TIME MBA )

Link from HKUST -> MBA

Finally, I request you to be as polite and humble as possible, I really appreciate a sensible and polite conversation.

 

[shuttler]

As I have told you before, I'm a Part Time Lecturer in other words i love to spread my knowledge. Entrepreneurship, Marketing, Strategy and leadership work together.If you still have no idea about it go and ask your professor or your friends who have completed MBA.

We were talking about How 1 year MBA differs from 2 Year MBA and not Why some of the universities you mentioned doesn't provide 1 year MBA!

Ever heard of IMD, INSEAD, IE business school, London Business School is (15 months less than 2 years),. Let me mention 1 more school here Hong Kong UST business school also offer both 12 month and 15 month (FULL-TIME MBA )

Link from HKUST -> MBA

Finally, I request you to be as polite and humble as possible, I really appreciate a sensible and polite conversation.

the point of argument is you said 1-year MBA is better than 2-year programs
I said no
2-year program is better. The support of that is all the top 10 MBA ranked schools started off gaining repurtation with their 2-year programs
No even one school in the top 10 would run a 1-year program alone to stay in top 10 or even top 50, 100 and so on
if you count the summer then those 15 months are literally 2-year programs full time
I am surprised you dont know all these!
All of the above named IMD INSEAD et all are literally 2 year programs- inclusive!
I stand firmer to my opinion. I would very much like to advise the students to get away from your classes as quick as possible

 

[scholseys]

The Chinese are busy manufacturing and making money while the Indians...indians

 

[Fukuoka]

On average the Chinese (including British-Chinese and FOB Chinese from China and SE Asia) academic record in the UK has been ranked THE #1 by a huge margin, years after years for as long as I could recall. The Chinese even beat the English on subject English.

Too funny, you must think about becoming a professional clown
Asians coming in the West to study are all children of corrupted people, so they are not very competent and have often bad marks

 

[Established_1965]

the point of argument is you said 1-year MBA is better than 2-year programs
I said no
2-year program is better. The support of that is all the top 10 MBA ranked schools started off gaining repurtation with their 2-year programs
No even one school in the top 10 would run a 1-year program alone to stay in top 10 or even top 50, 100 and so on
if you count the summer then those 15 months are literally 2-year programs full time
I am surprised you dont know all these!
All of the above named IMD INSEAD et all are literally 2 year programs- inclusive!
I stand firmer to my opinion. I would very much like to advise the students to get away from your classes as quick as possible

It will be good to have a healthy conversation but its really annoying to have a discussion with a guy who got zero knowledge about University Education.

Before making some random comments, provide links where it says INSEAD gives 2 year Full time MBA.
A 2 year MBA must run 24+ months .

According to HKUST,a full-time MBA will be over in 15 months which includes your holidays too-> Got this information via email from HKUST.

If you have any valid points show it with proper reference links so that I know that I'm wrong

One more thing, learn how to interact with people. Just don't act like an uneducated immature brat.

 

[shuttler]

It will be good to have a healthy conversation but its really annoying to have a discussion with a guy who got zero knowledge about University Education.

Before making some random comments, provide links where it says INSEAD gives 2 year Full time MBA.
A 2 year MBA must run 24+ months .

According to HKUST,a full-time MBA will be over in 15 months which includes your holidays too-> Got this information via email from HKUST.

If you have any valid points show it with proper reference links so that I know that I'm wrong

One more thing, learn how to interact with people. Just don't act like an uneducated immature brat.

It is you who is annoying getting a sub-zero knowledge of higher education kid
if someone says he has a 4-year college degree not a 2-year college degree - how do you interpret this, bragger!
It is completely nonsense to say 1-year MBA programs is better than a 2-year program when all top MBA programs run 2-year courses
You CANNOT give to the forum any ONE university with 1-year program that can rank in top 10 when I can list out 2-year programmes from top 10 to the top 100!
YOU ARE DEBUNKED!
you claim of a 'part-time lecturer" in "Entrepreneurship, Marketing, Strategy and leadership" blah blah blah is just scary in the sense that no established professors in the world's top universities will engage themselves in so many different disciplines with a 'part-time" job
So chill out kid!

 

[Luftwaffe]

@Aeronaut quite a troll fest Thread which need to be thrown into bin.

Last words atleast in Canadian Universities Chinese and Koreans are on the Top, not only that western universities and their budgets are funded and on going due to Chinese students if it was not for them these universities would have slowed down crying out for budgets. Any troll like atatwolf is nothing but a matriculate guy I wouldn't even recommend for call center jobs which also requires brain.

 

[Established_1965]

It is you who is annoying getting a sub-zero knowledge of higher education kid
if someone says he has a 4-year college degree not a 2-year college degree - how do you interpret this, bragger!
It is completely nonsense to say 1-year MBA programs is better than a 2-year program when all top MBA programs run 2-year courses
You CANNOT give to the forum any ONE university with 1-year program that can rank in top 10 when I can list out 2-year programmes from top 10 to the top 100!
YOU ARE DEBUNKED!
you claim of a 'part-time lecturer" in "Entrepreneurship, Marketing, Strategy and leadership" blah blah blah is just scary in the sense that no established professors in the world's top universities will engage themselves in so many different disciplines with a 'part-time" job
So chill out kid!

"It is you who is annoying getting a sub-zero knowledge of higher education kid
if someone says he has a 4-year college degree not a 2-year college degree - how do you interpret this, bragger!"
The above line I don't even understand a single bit! Try to reframe your question.

Your 4 year degree which I assume to be in Engineering is useless when it comes to MBA. Mba is for people who have a good work experience and not for student who didn't get a job after UG. I dot know why your not able to understand a simple logic that MBA is for people with a good work experience. Moreover, I guess you are confusing between MS and MBA, both of them are different.

I have given you more than 1 business school( I think, i gave up-to 5-6 business schools) in your so called Top 10 MBA destinations.

Making statements in capital letters won't make you right my child!

First of all try to understand what do i mean by part time lecture. It means that Im not working for that school rather it means that they have invited me to present topics on Marketing, Entrepreneurship, Strategy and Leadership.
Usually lectures will charge around 2000-3000$ per session but i do it for free.

Without Strategy, Marketing doesn't come into action nor does you finance. Ever heard about Marketing Strategy ??

Too funny, you must think about becoming a professional clown
Asians coming in the West to study are all children of corrupted people, so they are not very competent and have often bad marks

Mostly students come on scholarship or by getting hefty student loan.

 

[shuttler]

Your 4 year degree which I assume to be in Engineering is useless when it comes to MBA. Mba is for people who have a good work experience and not for student who didn't get a job after UG. I dot know why your not able to understand a simple logic that MBA is for people with a good work experience. Moreover, I guess you are confusing between MS and MBA, both of them are different.

dont always divert the topic into something else in order to strengthen your "arguments" which are nothing but drivels

My argument is 1-year MBA is inferior to 2-year counterparts
You have lost the arguments

I have given you more than 1 business school( I think, i gave up-to 5-6 business schools) in your so called Top 10 MBA destinations.

all of those named by you are offering 2-year MBAs from which they establish they fame on
Name me just one stand-alone 1-year MBA which ranks in the top 10 or even top 20
There is none

Making statements in capital letters won't make you right my child!

Capital letters are used to stress my point and to point out you repeated absurdities

First of all try to understand what do i mean by part time lecture. It means that Im not working for that school rather it means that they have invited me to present topics on Marketing, Entrepreneurship, Strategy and Leadership.
Usually lectures will charge around 2000-3000$ per session but i do it for free.

of course! then you are master of nothing!
also the school that you're linked to are asking for trouble
BOLDING the words doesnt mean you are RIGHT!
Your being invited doent do anything to affirm 1-year MBAs are better than 2-year courses

Without Strategy, Marketing doesn't come into action nor does you finance. Ever heard about Marketing Strategy ??
.

as I said the subjects that you 'taught" are very involved disciplines in their own rights
now you are saying Marketing Strategy
what's next
Marketing leadership?
Marketing entrepreneurship?
Leadership strategy?
Entrepreneurial strategy?

You are funny. You need to go back to a decent 2-year MBA school before you teach!