China to have 4 aircraft carriers, 18 Type 055 destroyers, and 300 J-20 by 2025

[UKBengali]

wow you are quite knowledgeable in warfare Xi Jinping should fire Wei Fenghe & hire you.

And who exactly are you dude?

 

[obj 705A]

And who exactly are you dude?

I'm just stating my opinion, I noticed that you have quite an experience with missile & guidance technologies & so on, you would be quite a helpfull asset for the PLA.

 

[UKBengali]

Who told you we can not deploy our ASBM elsewhere if necessary? The Radar mounted on the missile can detect any target within 60 km radius...And What can you do in 20 minutes? Destroy our fleet? lol.. Even if we use our Radar on ships to guide the missile, within 20 minutes you are game over. your a dozen poor mans F22 becomes irrelevant... your 3 subs have alien technology to beat our 20 DDGs and 30 type054a 60 type 056 withadvanced towed sonars? And numerous helicopters. anti sub missiles.and submarines?
Sure we are proud....but you are enjoying kissing your masters azz...and Don't get your eyes blocked by their shit... Our time has come.. but yours will never as an azz licker ..lmao...

Now let us say that your ASBM somehow managed to get past all the technical hurdles and avoided the attempts to decoy it through radar and infrared jamming techniques + also avoided attempts to shoot it down using the ABM version of the Aster-30 missile, do you know how accurate the missile would have to be to be able to hit the carrier?

The width the UK carriers is only 70 metres. Assuming that the DF-26D targets the mid-point that means it must hit a manoeuvring target to within 35m CEP. The CEP of conventional MRBMs that are designed to hit fixed non-manoeuvring targets are at most around this level. CEP means that 50% of the missiles will fall within this radius and 50% outside.

So assuming one missile even managed to get this far the chances of it hitting the carrier may only be 50% at most in the end. China fires dozens of DF-26Ds and may be able to hit one of the carriers(UK has two) and of course most of the F-35Bs are untouched and just fly off to the other carrier.

I will give it to China that the investments that they have put into the ASBM has made the West take serious notice, and that has forced them to develop both hard and soft kill systems but to say that this will allow China to defeat a CBG easily by using ASBMs is a fallacy.

PS - I have not even talked about the RN using some of it's SSNs to launch cruise missile strikes on the DF-26D launchers - each SSN can carry between 30-40 Tomahawk cruise missiles with a range of 1600km. China would have to bring it's DF-26Ds close to the coasts(<1000km) in order to be able to have enough range to hit the UK Navy out in the open ocean.

 

[Kai Liu]

Now let us say that your ASBM somehow managed to get past all the technical hurdles and avoided the attempts to decoy it through radar and infrared jamming techniques + also avoided attempts to shoot it down using the ABM version of the Aster-30 missile, do you know how accurate the missile would have to be to be able to hit the carrier?

The width the UK carriers is only 70 metres. Assuming that the DF-26D targets the mid-point that means it must hit a manoeuvring target to within 35m CEP. The CEP of conventional MRBMs that are designed to hit fixed non-manoeuvring targets are at most around this level. CEP means that 50% of the missiles will fall within this radius and 50% outside.

So assuming one missile even managed to get this far the chances of it hitting the carrier may only be 50% at most in the end. China fires dozens of DF-26Ds and may be able to hit one of the carriers(UK has two) and of course most of the F-35Bs are untouched and just fly off to the other carrier.

I will give it to China that the investments that they have put into the ASBM has made the West take serious notice, and that has forced them to develop both hard and soft kill systems but to say that this will allow China to defeat a CBG easily by using ASBMs is a fallacy.

PS - I have not even talked about the RN using some of it's SSNs to launch cruise missile strikes on the DF-26D launchers - each SSN can carry between 30-40 Tomahawk cruise missiles with a range of 1600km. China would have to bring it's DF-26Ds close to the coasts(<1000km) in order to be able to have enough range to hit the UK Navy out in the open ocean.

You know how much is the cost of our DF21D??? 20 million USD, that's it. DF26D is slightly more expensive, not too much...While even the missile you used to intercept it cost half that much....
http://www.sohu.com/a/227744642_600523
http://www.sohu.com/a/124781697_600515

Therefore, we can fire thousands of them with our 5 times larger economy than UK... Your two aircraft carriers together with all your ships can't with stand one wave of attack...

And cruise missiles??? Subsonic slow as a granny... they are just piece of cake to be intercepted by our numerous HQ launchers... And our underground great wall are prepared for nuclear war...

 

[UKBengali]

You know how much is the cost of our DF21D??? 20 million USD, that's it. DF26D is slightly more expensive, not too much...While even the missile you used to intercept it cost half that much....
http://www.sohu.com/a/227744642_600523
http://www.sohu.com/a/124781697_600515

Therefore, we can fire thousands of them with our 5 times larger economy than UK... Your two aircraft carriers together with all your ships can't with stand one wave of attack...

And cruise missiles??? Subsonic slow as a granny... they are just piece of cake to be intercepted by our numerous HQ launchers... And our underground great wall are prepared for nuclear war...

Cruise missiles are very hard to intercept - just ask the Russians in Syria.
They would hug the terrain and come from many directions, making them difficult to intercept.

As for DF-26D, China cannot fire unlimited numbers of them and almost zero chance of hitting anything other than a large carrier and that may not even be possible if a single thing in the chain does not work as expected.
How many of these missiles are you going to fire? 100? 200?
Do you even have 100 in stock ready to fire?

 

[antonius123]

Now let us say that your ASBM somehow managed to get past all the technical hurdles and avoided the attempts to decoy it through radar and infrared jamming techniques + also avoided attempts to shoot it down using the ABM version of the Aster-30 missile, do you know how accurate the missile would have to be to be able to hit the carrier?

The width the UK carriers is only 70 metres. Assuming that the DF-26D targets the mid-point that means it must hit a manoeuvring target to within 35m CEP. The CEP of conventional MRBMs that are designed to hit fixed non-manoeuvring targets are at most around this level. CEP means that 50% of the missiles will fall within this radius and 50% outside.

So assuming one missile even managed to get this far the chances of it hitting the carrier may only be 50% at most in the end. China fires dozens of DF-26Ds and may be able to hit one of the carriers(UK has two) and of course most of the F-35Bs are untouched and just fly off to the other carrier.

I will give it to China that the investments that they have put into the ASBM has made the West take serious notice, and that has forced them to develop both hard and soft kill systems but to say that this will allow China to defeat a CBG easily by using ASBMs is a fallacy.

PS - I have not even talked about the RN using some of it's SSNs to launch cruise missile strikes on the DF-26D launchers - each SSN can carry between 30-40 Tomahawk cruise missiles with a range of 1600km. China would have to bring it's DF-26Ds close to the coasts(<1000km) in order to be able to have enough range to hit the UK Navy out in the open ocean.

What make you think hitting a 70 meter object will be much more difficult than hitting supersonic missile?

And why you always forget about 800km range YJ-100 that can sink all UK fleet within 20 minutes?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CJ-10_(missile)

Cruise missiles are very hard to intercept - just ask the Russians in Syria.
They would hug the terrain and come from many directions, making them difficult to intercept.

As for DF-26D, China cannot fire unlimited numbers of them and almost zero chance of hitting anything other than a large carrier and that may not even be possible if a single thing in the chain does not work as expected.
How many of these missiles are you going to fire? 100? 200?
Do you even have 100 in stock ready to fire?

The HQ-9 is designed to be a long-range SAM to counter high-performance aircraft, cruise missiles, air-to-surface missiles (ASMs), and tactical ballistic missiles (TBMs). Technology from advanced Western systems may also be incorporated into the HQ-9.
https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/china/hq-9.htm

Again the question is: what make you think DF-21 warhead hitting a 70m object is more difficult than HQ-9 hitting a cruise missile?

 

[Viet]

You are really stupid...
This is what your soviet daddy give to you... Soviet IQ has nothing to do with jungle IQ...

and you don´t possess anti Soviet or Russia weapons? so you are a double stupido!
missiles don´t differ if enemy is white or yellow. we have some more stuffs in inventory to defend our country against aggressor.

 

[j20blackdragon]

Some people continue to whistle past the graveyard.

I guarantee these missiles are stealthier than the F-35.

J-15 full payload capacity.

10 AESA destroyers launched in one year.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1211198009545035776

3rd aircraft carrier under construction.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1211274467927715840

Domestic turbofan engines.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1211322112662589441

 

[j20blackdragon]

Cruise missiles are very hard to intercept - just ask the Russians in Syria.

And why you always forget about 800km range YJ-100 that can sink all UK fleet within 20 minutes?

https://www.uscc.gov/sites/default/files/Research/China’s New YJ-18 Antiship Cruise Missile.pdf

YJ-100 (range~1,000km at Mach 4)

 

[UKBengali]

https://www.uscc.gov/sites/default/files/Research/China’s New YJ-18 Antiship Cruise Missile.pdf

YJ-100 (range~1,000km at Mach 4)

2 things:

1. Cruise missiles over sea are not that hard to intercept as they cannot hide behind terrain and so easy to get a track on them and keep it.

In this case the cruise missiles would be spotted many 10s of kms away from the fleet by the AEW helicopters that fly from the carrier. These missiles would then be shot down by SAMs from either the destroyers on the edges or the frigates that stay close to the carriers. Just in case this fails, the carriers and destroyers have multiple CIWS each as a last line of defence.

2. How on earth would China even know where the ships would be as the fleet would be making irregular zig zag formations at 60km/h? The launch platforms cannot get any closer than 400km from the fleet as the F-35s would
be patrolling out there. By launching so far out(500km), they would take nearly an hour to reach the ships of the fleet.
So the problem again remains how would the Chinese get constant track on the fleet in order to be able to carry out a successful attack by cruise missile?

 

[j20blackdragon]

2 things:

1. Cruise missiles over sea are not that hard to intercept as they cannot hide behind terrain and so easy to get a track on them and keep it.

In this case the cruise missiles would be spotted many 10s of kms away from the fleet by the AEW helicopters that fly from the carrier. These missiles would then be shot down by SAMs from either the destroyers on the edges or the frigates that stay close to the carriers. Just in case this fails, the carriers and destroyers have multiple CIWS each as a last line of defence.

2. How on earth would China even know where the ships would be as the fleet would be making irregular zig zag formations at 60km/h? The launch platforms cannot get any closer than 400km from the fleet as the F-35s would
be patrolling out there. By launching so far out(500km), they would take nearly an hour to reach the ships of the fleet.
So the problem again remains how would the Chinese get constant track on the fleet in order to be able to carry out a successful attack by cruise missile?

I'm not going to answer your humorous mumbo-jumbo because I know you're a troll, and I would only be wasting my time.

But I will give you this info. You are not required to believe it.

According to media reports, it is believed that the PLA is currently developing an intercontinental anti-ship weapon system code-named "Reentry Anti-Ship Missile" with a range of 12,000 kilometers, which can attack aircraft carriers and other surface combatants in most of the world's seas.

 

[UKBengali]

I'm not going to answer your humorous mumbo-jumbo because I know you're a troll, and I would only be wasting my time.

But I will give you this info. You are not required to believe it.

According to media reports, it is believed that the PLA is currently developing an intercontinental anti-ship weapon system code-named "Reentry Anti-Ship Missile" with a range of 12,000 kilometers, which can attack aircraft carriers and other surface combatants in most of the world's seas.

Says the guy who posts pictures of Chinese weapons and thinks they can defeat anything!

You cannot answer technically as you have no ability to answer since you lack technical knowledge.

Go and learn some actual technicalities of military science and then you may learn about how far behind China still is.

 

[Kai Liu]

Cruise missiles are very hard to intercept - just ask the Russians in Syria.
They would hug the terrain and come from many directions, making them difficult to intercept.

As for DF-26D, China cannot fire unlimited numbers of them and almost zero chance of hitting anything other than a large carrier and that may not even be possible if a single thing in the chain does not work as expected.
How many of these missiles are you going to fire? 100? 200?
Do you even have 100 in stock ready to fire?

Cruise missile is very hard to intercept... While ballistic missiles can be intercepted at your will.. WTF logics is that....lol...
And your master's little few ships and subs dare to get close to our coast to mess up our DFs??? lol... Our carriers, 100 frigates, 30 DDGs, 70 subs, 1,000 missile boats, 3,000 war planes including J20s, numerous drones, and numerous land based attacking weapons, will kill every single ship/sub/aircraft of your master ... Your master's few little ships is piece of shxt in front of them... Even your master's master dare not to mess up with...

Not to mention our J20s can be on our carriers within minutes make all your B.S. irrelevant...

And how many DF26D/21Ds we have??? Hilarious question from a bumpkin again... With our immense immense industrial power, such missiles keep rolling out of production line like making sausages... We have such missiles more than enough to kill 10 times the number of carriers your master has got... And again, our ASBMs are not make for your master, your mater's two little carriers are not even on our eyes... These killers are made for your master's master, the US navy.

and you don´t possess anti Soviet or Russia weapons? so you are a double stupido!
missiles don´t differ if enemy is white or yellow. we have some more stuffs in inventory to defend our country against aggressor.

Go fuxk off... idiot.
What is the range of this shix??? Can it even fly out of your border??? LMAO....
How many you have got???
And again, if you dare to fire one, you are welcome... we will fire you 1000... We just need an excuse to wipe you jungle out of the map.
And my advice to you: DO NOT show your stupid little missiles in front of us, otherwise, your get humiliated every time:

 

[antonius123]

Says the guy who posts pictures of Chinese weapons and thinks they can defeat anything!

You cannot answer technically as you have no ability to answer since you lack technical knowledge.

Go and learn some actual technicalities of military science and then you may learn about how far behind China still is.

What about my answer explaining technicality for you? You still unable to counter
What about my question about technicality to you? You havent replied yet

By saying "how far behind China still is", you are confirming your ignorance.

China not only have the most advanced ASBM (DF-21D, DF-26, DF-17) and ASM (YJ-100, YJ-12, YJ-18), but also one of the most advanced "destroyer" (type 055).

Beidou will be more accurate than older US GPS that UK will rely on during war with China.

UK only can brag F-35 which is not made by her own, and China has answer with J-20.
ABM Aster is just so so, not even better than PAC or HQ-9 / HQ-19/ HQ-26

The 3 Astute class submarine is nothing not only in term of quantity, but also quality esp compared with Type 095 / 096.

China's new submarine engine is poised to revolutionize underwater warfare
https://www.popsci.com/china-new-submarine-engine-revolutionize-underwater-warfare/

Ma told the Chinese television channel that the new rim-driven pump-jet will be fitted onto the PLAN’s next-generation nuclear submarines. Those vessels might include versions of the nuclear-powered Type 095 attack submarines and the Type 096 ballistic missile submarines.
https://nationalinterest.org/blog/t...e-the-holy-grail-submarine-technologies-21436

What else that UK Navy can brag in term of sophistication?

 

[ARMalik]

I suspect that the number of Aircraft carriers will increase, probably double to 8 carriers in next 10 years.