China to have 4 aircraft carriers, 18 Type 055 destroyers, and 300 J-20 by 2025

[GS Zhou]

I said Vietnam is a major “producer” - not player - of manufactured goods and agra products.
That is not bragging when stating a fact.

Calling vn as a major producer of manufactured goods is a BRAG, NOT stating a fact.

In 2018, the global total manufacturing industry value added is 14,170 billion USD. vn number is 39 billion. 39/14170= 0.28%. vn only contributes 0.28% of the manufacturing industry value added. Such a tiny share cannot grant vn as a "major producer". I believe it is a bit cruel to the vn refugee, because she is too addicted to the news about "vn is winning here or there".

https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NV.IND.MANF.CD?locations=1W-VN&most_recent_value_desc=false

or maybe the vn rufgee has a different understanding on such simple maths?

 

[Viet]

Calling vn as a major producer of manufactured goods is a BRAG, NOT stating a fact.

In 2018, the global total manufacturing industry value added is 14,170 billion USD. vn number is 39 billion. 39/14170= 0.28%. vn only contributes 0.28% of the manufacturing industry value added. Such a tiny share cannot grant vn as a "major producer". I believe it is a bit cruel to the vn refugee, because she is too addicted to the news about "vn is winning here or there".

https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NV.IND.MANF.CD?locations=1W-VN&most_recent_value_desc=false

or maybe the vn rufgee has a different understanding on such simple maths?

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First, it’s he not she! you are probably gay, hence your obsession with “she” subject. Second, the fact Vietnam producing majority of Samsung smartphones is sufficient for “we are a major producer of manufactured goods”. We are not in a chinese education camp!

 

[GS Zhou]

First, it’s he not she! you are probably gay, hence your obsession with “she” subject. Second, the fact Vietnam producing majority of Samsung smartphones is sufficient for “we are a major producer of manufactured goods”. We are not in a chinese education camp!

0.28% of world manufacturing value added makes vn has a major producer??? ok. stay with your vn refugee maths.

 

[Viet]

0.28% of world manufacturing value added makes vn has a major producer??? ok. stay with your vn refugee maths.

Your IQ is below average!
Another example:
Vietnam is a top producer of coffee beans. I can say we are a major producer of agra products. Certainly we can’t beat the overall percentage of overall world trading volumes including made-in-China women underwear.

are you a teacher in a reeducation camp?

 

[UKBengali]

Lol again at Chinese pdf posters talking with little comprehension of military science.

Let us look at the main points:

1. DF-26 will sink UK aircraft carrier.

The only way to reliably get a real time track on the carrier would be by placing an airborne radar 3-400 kms away from the fleet. Satellites and over the horizon radars can only either give you a 'snap-shot' at a moment in time or a general position which is nowhere near accurate enough to guide the ASBM into the "kill-zone" where it's own sensors can guide it to the final target.

For the Chinese posters, even if you mount the radar on the stealth UAV, it becomes non-stealth as soon as it switches on it's radar and will get splashed by a F-35B.

2. YJ-100 - you need to get a constant reliable track on the ships first and the above problem manifests itself.


Now please can someone explain how the Chinese ships will be firing missiles at the UK fleet when 3 stealthy Astute class SSNs( US military analysts think it is better than the ones they have) are hunting them down one by one? Should not the main worry be how to survive against the stealthy F-35Bs and the Astutes?


Luckily for China, the Chinese military leaders have a better grasp of military tactics than the Chinese posters here.



PS - One poster even introduced firing DF-21D ASBM from the Chinese destroyers!



"In many warfare scenario in open sea (say Indian Ocean), PLAN will firstly salvo Royal carriers with DF-21D from their Type 052D/055."

 

[Kai Liu]

Lol again at Chinese pdf posters talking with little comprehension of military science.

Let us look at the main points:

1. DF-26 will sink UK aircraft carrier.

The only way to reliably get a real time track on the carrier would be by placing an airborne radar 3-400 kms away from the fleet. Satellites and over the horizon radars can only either give you a 'snap-shot' at a moment in time or a general position which is nowhere near accurate enough to guide the ASBM into the "kill-zone" where it's own sensors can guide it to the final target.

For the Chinese posters, even if you mount the radar on the stealth UAV, it becomes non-stealth as soon as it switches on it's radar and will get splashed by a F-35B.

2. YJ-100 - you need to get a constant reliable track on the ships first and the above problem manifests itself.


Now please can someone explain how the Chinese ships will be firing missiles at the UK fleet when 3 stealthy Astute class SSNs( US military analysts think it is better than the ones they have) are hunting them down one by one? Should not the main worry be how to survive against the stealthy F-35Bs and the Astutes?


Luckily for China, the Chinese military leaders have a better grasp of military tactics than the Chinese posters here.



PS - One poster even introduced firing DF-21D ASBM from the Chinese destroyers!



"In many warfare scenario in open sea (say Indian Ocean), PLAN will firstly salvo Royal carriers with DF-21D from their Type 052D/055."

Who told you ASBM depends on ships to guide them??? Once the rough position of enemy ships are found through satellite mounted radars and the over-the-horizon radar systems, etc. ASBM will reach them within minutes. The radar and and infra red sensor, etc. mounted on the missiles can guild the warhead to kill every ship on the spot, especially the huge targets like the carrier...
Use google translate to read it:
http://www.sohu.com/a/327199133_815062
Even if they rely on ships to guide, within a matter of minutes, your entire fleets are down to the bottom of the oceans, do the F35s or whatever still relavant??? lol...

A dozen of F35??? lol... It is stealth only for radars on fighter jets, not even for AWACs, not to mention our powerful radars on our carrier and DDGs, and the anti stealth radars and sensors on board.. Our powerful radars on ships can spot them hundreds miles away and shot them down with one wave of HQ missiles or guide our fighter jets to intercept and kill them.. Don't even need to bring our J20s...

3 Austutes... lol... All with boasted claims by yourself or by your Daddy... Who knows.... May be its is OK, but that's it, nothing special in front of our 70 AIP subs+ nuclear subs and 095s...

It is possible to mount ballistic missiles on ships, this is what your indian brother did:

... They can also be mounted on subs etc... with their unlimited range, we can deploy them anywhere around the global... For example, Djibouti。

 

[UKBengali]

Who told you ASBM depends on ships to guide them??? Once the rough position of enemy ships are found through satellite mounted radars and the over-the-horizon radar systems, etc. ASBM will reach them within minutes. The radar and and infra red sensor mounted on the missiles can guild the warhead to kill every ship on the spot, especially the huge targets like the carrier...
Use google translate to read it:
http://www.sohu.com/a/327199133_815062
Even if they rely on ships to guide, within a matter of minutes, your entire fleets are down to the bottom of the oceans, do the F35s or whatever still relavant??? lol...

A dozen of F35??? lol... It is stealth only for radars on fighter jets, not even for AWACs, not to mention our powerful radars on our carrier and DDGs, and the anti stealth radars and sensors on board.. Our powerful radars on ships can spot them hundreds miles away and shot them down with one wave of HQ missiles or guide our fighter jets to intercept and kill them.. Don't even need to bring our J20s...

3 Austutes... lol... All with boasted claims by yourself or by your Daddy... Who knows.... May be its is OK, but that's it, nothing special in front of our 70 AIP subs+ nuclear subs and 095s...

It is possible to mount ballistic missiles on ships, this is what your indian brother did:

... They can also be mounted on subs etc... with there unlimited range, we can deploy them anywhere around the global... For example, Djibouti。

We are talking about a open ocean battle many thousands of kilometres away from the Chinese coast.

You would need the DF-26 ASBM in this case.

Btw for reference:

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/b...-carrier-killer-missiles-very-slick-way-41487

"China has deployed anti-ship ballistic missiles to the country's northwest plateau in an apparent attempt to protect them from the U.S. Navy's own missiles"

LOL you are scared of US taking them out you have placed them in Inner Mongolia and so they wont even be able to reach the UK carriers out in the open ocean.

Say you even had them available against the UK as you dare to bring them further South and East and they are ready for action against UK fleet.
You know how long the flight time is for a 4000km missile? It is approximately 20 minutes.

Now the UK carriers and escorts would be doing approximately 60km/hour in unpredictable zig-formations and so if a satellite spotted one of the carriers it would have moved 20km from it's spot in a totally random direction.
This means the missile would have a potential area of Pie * 20km * 20km to look for the carrier which is approximately 1250 square kilometres.
Now how the hell is the tiny radar and IR sensor on the ASBM going to even know where to look? The potential area to look is just too large for it.
The only way this would work is to have a radar up in the sky(AWACS or UAV) giving constant updates to the ASBM and those would be shot down immediately by F-35Bs.

China's only hope is to fire lots of of ASBMs(maybe 10-12) and then hope that at least one of them somehow gets close to where carrier has moved to.

In the meantime the carrier group would be using lots of jamming tactics(radar and IR) to fool the ASBMs and therefore the chances of a hit, although theoretically possible, will be miniscule.
Also the UK has invested in an ABM version of the Aster-30 missile and that is another way to shoot down your ASBM - not saying this will work but just another line of defence in case an ABM is picked up on radar to be heading to one of the carriers.


Now your ship radars may spot a J-15 hundreds of kilometres away but the F-35B will be detected from less than 100km away due to it's stealth which is even better than F-22 in the forward sphere. Remember each F-35B can carry 8 Spear 3 missiles(120km range) that are designed to home in on ships radars, and they will get just outside the range of your radiating radars and fire dozens of missiles at your fleet.


Diesel subs in open ocean battle?



They can only do a maximum of speed of 30km/h - far too slow to even hope to compete with a CBG that sails at 60km/h and the Astute SSNs 59km/h.

The only decent subs that China could bring would be the 3 Type-093Bs which are equivalent to the UK's 3 Trafalgar class but not match for the one-generaton ahead Astutes.

Look I know you are proud of China and the progress that it has made but do not let that blind you that it can take on a Navy that while a lot smaller, will dominate the air and under the ocean against PLAN. China's time will come but it is not there yet.

 

[antonius123]

Lol again at Chinese pdf posters talking with little comprehension of military science.

LOL. It is so hilarious to see a boy with little understanding in military claiming that chinese pdf poster has little comprehension of military science

In fact it is you who are demonstrating little comprehension of military science here. We will teach you some lesson.

Let us look at the main points:

1. DF-26 will sink UK aircraft carrier.

The only way to reliably get a real time track on the carrier would be by placing an airborne radar 3-400 kms away from the fleet. Satellites and over the horizon radars can only either give you a 'snap-shot' at a moment in time or a general position which is nowhere near accurate enough to guide the ASBM into the "kill-zone" where it's own sensors can guide it to the final target.

Wrong!

Real time is critical only for "terminal phase", not for "midcourse".

The most real time track actually is with "onboard" radar or sensor, but the onboard radar will be reliable when the proximity with target is sufficient, that means it will be very useful only during "terminal phase".

OTH is indeed could not provide real time situation, but it will be enough for guiding missile during midcourse phase to approach target.
Satelite proximity with object is actually so not much different compared to AWACS as you thought. And again, even if not real time, it is still useful for midcourse purpose.

OTH can also to track F-35 from very far far away.

I have given you the picture that is explaining, why you still failed to understand how the guidance system work for DF-21?

For the Chinese posters, even if you mount the radar on the stealth UAV, it becomes non-stealth as soon as it switches on it's radar and will get splashed by a F-35B.

Only if the radar is Non AESA. We dont know yet which kind of radar that the UAV use.
Besides UAV is only one tool to guide DF-21D, other than OTH, and Yaogan. In case enemy can take down UAV then there is still OTH and Yaogan

2. YJ-100 - you need to get a constant reliable track on the ships first and the above problem manifests itself.

So you mean YJ-100 is failure product because Chinese do not consider reliable track? LOL.

You are really a joker, YJ-100 guidance system is the same as other missile guidance system => GPS + INS

Read it carefully boy:
The YJ-100 guidance system combines the Inertial Navigation System (INS) and the Global Positioning System (GPS) for mid-course guidance; and an active radar seeker and an infrared seeker in the terminal phase. The existence of the YJ-100 long-range anti-ship missile was leaked in January 2014. In February 2015 the Chinese press stated that the subsonic YJ-100 missile has a range of 800 kilometers.
http://www.deagel.com/Offensive-Weapons/YJ-100_a002939001.aspx

Now please can someone explain how the Chinese ships will be firing missiles at the UK fleet when 3 stealthy Astute class SSNs( US military analysts think it is better than the ones they have) are hunting them down one by one? Should not the main worry be how to survive against the stealthy F-35Bs and the Astutes?

Very easy. As I've told you: OTH, GPS (Beidou), the other is by AWACS.

OTH and Beidou could track stealth ship, then send the signal to Type 055, then Type 055 will fire YJ-100.
YJ-100 will follow guidance from OTH or Beidou during the midcourse, then at terminal phase YJ-100 will use its own INS.

Luckily for China, the Chinese military leaders have a better grasp of military tactics than the Chinese posters here.

If you realize that PLAN can use better tactic than what I've explained above, then why making stupid joke here?

Letting F-35 take off then approaching PLAN fleet then sending J-15 as you imagine is really stupid joke.
I've explained much better tactic on how PLAN will destroy UK fleet in the first place by raining them with YJ-100.
If PLAN has better tactic than that then it will be worse doom for UK navy.

PS - One poster even introduced firing DF-21D ASBM from the Chinese destroyers!



"In many warfare scenario in open sea (say Indian Ocean), PLAN will firstly salvo Royal carriers with DF-21D from their Type 052D/055."

It is possible if necessary, as Kai Lu has already explained above.

 

[UKBengali]

People are correct about you ...you are so booring repeating same idiocy in spite of having been debunked repeatedly.

Says the boy who repeats the same old stuff over and over again.

Anyway what interest does an Indonesian have in this debate.? You do not even live in China from your flags that are visible.

 

[antonius123]

We are talking about a open ocean battle many thousands of kilometres away from the Chinese coast.

You would need the DF-26 ASBM in this case.

Btw for reference:

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/b...-carrier-killer-missiles-very-slick-way-41487

"China has deployed anti-ship ballistic missiles to the country's northwest plateau in an apparent attempt to protect them from the U.S. Navy's own missiles"

LOL you are scared of US taking them out you have placed them in Inner Mongolia and so they wont even be able to reach the UK carriers out in the open ocean.

Say you even had them available against the UK as you dare to bring them further South and East and they are ready for action against UK fleet.
You know how long the flight time is for a 4000km missile? It is approximately 20 minutes.

Now the UK carriers and escorts would be doing approximately 60km/hour in unpredictable zig-formations and so if a satellite spotted one of the carriers it would have moved 20km from it's spot in a totally random direction.
This means the missile would have a potential area of Pie * 20km * 20km to look for the carrier which is approximately 1250 square kilometres.
Now how the hell is the tiny radar and IR sensor on the ASBM going to even know where to look? The potential area to look is just too large for it.
The only way this would work is to have a radar up in the sky(AWACS or UAV) giving constant updates to the ASBM and those would be shot down immediately by F-35Bs.

China's only hope is to fire lots of of ASBMs(maybe 10-12) and then hope that at least one of them somehow gets close to where carrier has moved to.

In the meantime the carrier group would be using lots of jamming tactics(radar and IR) to fool the ASBMs and therefore the chances of a hit, although theoretically possible, will be miniscule.
Also the UK has invested in an ABM version of the Aster-30 missile and that is another way to shoot down your ASBM - not saying this will work but just another line of defence in case an ABM is picked up on radar to be heading to one of the carriers.


Now your ship radars may spot a J-15 hundreds of kilometres away but the F-35B will be detected from less than 100km away due to it's stealth which is even better than F-22 in the forward sphere. Remember each F-35B can carry 8 Spear 3 missiles(120km range) that are designed to home in on ships radars, and they will get just outside the range of your radiating radars and fire dozens of missiles at your fleet.


Diesel subs in open ocean battle?



They can only do a maximum of speed of 30km/h - far too slow to even hope to compete with a CBG that sails at 60km/h and the Astute SSNs 59km/h.

The only decent subs that China could bring would be the 3 Type-093Bs which are equivalent to the UK's 3 Trafalgar class but not match for the one-generaton ahead Astutes.

Look I know you are proud of China and the progress that it has made but do not let that blind you that it can take on a Navy that while a lot smaller, will dominate the air and under the ocean against PLAN. China's time will come but it is not there yet.

LOL. The reason why China put DF-26 inward is in order to ensure US cant destroy it!
DF-26 is very difficult to intercept during midcourse, but still vulnerable during initial phase. By putting it deep in inner mongolia US cannot destroy it.

People are correct about you ...you are so booring repeating same idiocy in spite of having been debunked repeatedly.

Ive told you many times ... F-35 stealth is effective against weaker country, but not against China; the reason already mentioned: Anti Stealth Radar, not to mention OTH and multipe radar with datalink. You cant counter this, but repeating the same old argument that has been debunked with this my answer instead.
F-35 will be lucky if they could fly off before UK carrier sink by rain of YJ-100.

Now regarding ABM Aster => ABM (Aster) is not effective to shoot down maneuverable warhead during terminal phase. Thats why you need to destroy DF-21/DF26 during initial phase, not at terminal phase.

Type 052 and 055 are using AESA radar with high LPI, so forget your delusion that radar guided missile launched from F-35B can destroy it. Except you dont know what LPI is

China has about 80 submarines, quantity is quality on its own. Even if astute is better still the numerous PLAN submarine has greater potential to sink UK fleet. Also you dont know whether type 095/96 has been operational or not; they are using shaftless propulsion system that is the holly grail for submarine, will certainly beat Astute class.

 

[Kai Liu]

We are talking about a open ocean battle many thousands of kilometres away from the Chinese coast.

You would need the DF-26 ASBM in this case.

Btw for reference:

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/b...-carrier-killer-missiles-very-slick-way-41487

"China has deployed anti-ship ballistic missiles to the country's northwest plateau in an apparent attempt to protect them from the U.S. Navy's own missiles"

LOL you are scared of US taking them out you have placed them in Inner Mongolia and so they wont even be able to reach the UK carriers out in the open ocean.

Say you even had them available against the UK as you dare to bring them further South and East and they are ready for action against UK fleet.
You know how long the flight time is for a 4000km missile? It is approximately 20 minutes.

Now the UK carriers and escorts would be doing approximately 60km/hour in unpredictable zig-formations and so if a satellite spotted one of the carriers it would have moved 20km from it's spot in a totally random direction.
This means the missile would have a potential area of Pie * 20km * 20km to look for the carrier which is approximately 1250 square kilometres.
Now how the hell is the tiny radar and IR sensor on the ASBM going to even know where to look? The potential area to look is just too large for it.
The only way this would work is to have a radar up in the sky(AWACS or UAV) giving constant updates to the ASBM and those would be shot down immediately by F-35Bs.

China's only hope is to fire lots of of ASBMs(maybe 10-12) and then hope that at least one of them somehow gets close to where carrier has moved to.

In the meantime the carrier group would be using lots of jamming tactics(radar and IR) to fool the ASBMs and therefore the chances of a hit, although theoretically possible, will be miniscule.
Also the UK has invested in an ABM version of the Aster-30 missile and that is another way to shoot down your ASBM - not saying this will work but just another line of defence in case an ABM is picked up on radar to be heading to one of the carriers.


Now your ship radars may spot a J-15 hundreds of kilometres away but the F-35B will be detected from less than 100km away due to it's stealth which is even better than F-22 in the forward sphere. Remember each F-35B can carry 8 Spear 3 missiles(120km range) that are designed to home in on ships radars, and they will get just outside the range of your radiating radars and fire dozens of missiles at your fleet.


Diesel subs in open ocean battle?



They can only do a maximum of speed of 30km/h - far too slow to even hope to compete with a CBG that sails at 60km/h and the Astute SSNs 59km/h.

The only decent subs that China could bring would be the 3 Type-093Bs which are equivalent to the UK's 3 Trafalgar class but not match for the one-generaton ahead Astutes.

Look I know you are proud of China and the progress that it has made but do not let that blind you that it can take on a Navy that while a lot smaller, will dominate the air and under the ocean against PLAN. China's time will come but it is not there yet.

Who told you we can not deploy our ASBM elsewhere if necessary? The Radar mounted on the missile can detect any target within 60 km radius...And What can you do in 20 minutes? Destroy our fleet? lol.. Even if we use our Radar on ships to guide the missile, within 20 minutes you are game over. your a dozen poor mans F22 becomes irrelevant... your 3 subs have alien technology to beat our 20 DDGs and 30 type054a 60 type 056 withadvanced towed sonars? And numerous helicopters. anti sub missiles.and submarines?
Sure we are proud....but you are enjoying kissing your masters azz...and Don't get your eyes blocked by their shit... Our time has come.. but yours will never as an azz licker ..lmao...

 

[antonius123]

Says the boy who repeats the same old stuff over and over again.

Anyway what interest does an Indonesian have in this debate.? You do not even live in China from your flags that are visible.

My explanation is backed by citation

The reason why I repeat is because you failed to grasp it, and repeating the same old argument that has been debunked. It means you have little capacity to discern and analyze what people say. No wonder ppl say you idiot.
You need to grasp, discern, and find evidence (if any) to counter my explanation; not by repeating the same old debunked argument

Why I am interested in this debate i think is the same reason why you are interested with this debate

 

[UKBengali]

My explanation is backed by citation

The reason why I repeat is because you failed to grasp it, and repeating the same old argument that has been debunked. It means you have little capacity to discern and analyze what people say. No wonder ppl say you idiot.
You need to grasp, discern, and find evidence (if any) to counter my explanation; not by repeating the same old debunked argument

Why I am interested in this debate i think is the same reason why you are interested with this debate

We only care what smart adult people actually think about us and not juvenile fanboys.

Now why is an Indonesian even interested and posting in this debate? You neither live in UK or China lol.

 

[antonius123]

We only care what smart adult people actually think about us and not juvenile fanboys.

Now why is an Indonesian even interested and posting in this debate? You neither live in UK or China lol.

You counter my argument first, then i will tell you why.

Of course you need to counter with data/citation and sound argument; not by ignorance, delusion and silly argument

 

[obj 705A]

We are talking about a open ocean battle many thousands of kilometres away from the Chinese coast.

You would need the DF-26 ASBM in this case.

Btw for reference:

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/b...-carrier-killer-missiles-very-slick-way-41487

"China has deployed anti-ship ballistic missiles to the country's northwest plateau in an apparent attempt to protect them from the U.S. Navy's own missiles"

LOL you are scared of US taking them out you have placed them in Inner Mongolia and so they wont even be able to reach the UK carriers out in the open ocean.

Say you even had them available against the UK as you dare to bring them further South and East and they are ready for action against UK fleet.
You know how long the flight time is for a 4000km missile? It is approximately 20 minutes.

Now the UK carriers and escorts would be doing approximately 60km/hour in unpredictable zig-formations and so if a satellite spotted one of the carriers it would have moved 20km from it's spot in a totally random direction.
This means the missile would have a potential area of Pie * 20km * 20km to look for the carrier which is approximately 1250 square kilometres.
Now how the hell is the tiny radar and IR sensor on the ASBM going to even know where to look? The potential area to look is just too large for it.
The only way this would work is to have a radar up in the sky(AWACS or UAV) giving constant updates to the ASBM and those would be shot down immediately by F-35Bs.

China's only hope is to fire lots of of ASBMs(maybe 10-12) and then hope that at least one of them somehow gets close to where carrier has moved to.

In the meantime the carrier group would be using lots of jamming tactics(radar and IR) to fool the ASBMs and therefore the chances of a hit, although theoretically possible, will be miniscule.
Also the UK has invested in an ABM version of the Aster-30 missile and that is another way to shoot down your ASBM - not saying this will work but just another line of defence in case an ABM is picked up on radar to be heading to one of the carriers.


Now your ship radars may spot a J-15 hundreds of kilometres away but the F-35B will be detected from less than 100km away due to it's stealth which is even better than F-22 in the forward sphere. Remember each F-35B can carry 8 Spear 3 missiles(120km range) that are designed to home in on ships radars, and they will get just outside the range of your radiating radars and fire dozens of missiles at your fleet.


Diesel subs in open ocean battle?



They can only do a maximum of speed of 30km/h - far too slow to even hope to compete with a CBG that sails at 60km/h and the Astute SSNs 59km/h.

The only decent subs that China could bring would be the 3 Type-093Bs which are equivalent to the UK's 3 Trafalgar class but not match for the one-generaton ahead Astutes.

Look I know you are proud of China and the progress that it has made but do not let that blind you that it can take on a Navy that while a lot smaller, will dominate the air and under the ocean against PLAN. China's time will come but it is not there yet.

wow you are quite knowledgeable in warfare Xi Jinping should fire Wei Fenghe & hire you.