China to have 4 aircraft carriers, 18 Type 055 destroyers, and 300 J-20 by 2025

[Viet]

I already told you this was in our weakest time, but if without warships, every country can make your entire country slaves like they did to vn, does not even need a war... But for jap at that time, because the war, its country was stretched out and run empty, so they just robed TW, could not do any further, even during our weakest time...


USSR is the history, No one were burnt to ashes except you... lol...


Who told you Chinese in SE Asian are from vn??? A lot of them get their with Admiral Zheng He.

You know shit!
The only thing you know is racism!

The reason why the US entered the pacific war was because of Japan attack on Vietnam. If Japan didn’t attack, the US would not be threatened and issued ultimatum to Japan.

The fall and conquests of Philippines, Malaysia, Singapore, Indonesia and possibly Australia would not be possible for Japan.

Many kids of chinese settlers today in ASEAN have their roots in Hoian. Even the German tourists know it thanks to holiday lectures.

 

[Kai Liu]

Do you even read what I write and think before you post back?

Just the possibility of UK SSNs attacking your DF-26D launch sites would mean that you would need to hold substantial navy forces back to defend your coasts. Tomahawk Block 4 has 1600km range and so they can still be 1000km away from your coastline and still attack your ASBMs.
You airforce and land-forces are irrelevant against SSNs anyway and so no need to bring them in here.

China is unlikely to keep more than 100 or say 200 at most DF-26Ds in stock as it will be wasteful building a thousand of these as they may never ever be used. China like all countries cannot waste billions on the just in case scenario.

You think as soon as there is a war between China and UK, the J-20s can be put on the carriers and sail out with them? One more thing how will they even communicate with the K-8AEW as the two will most probably use different data links?

Please actually address my points before posting the same response again.

1000 km away then our airforce and land-forces are irrelevant??? Are you kidding? The combat radius of our heavy fighter planes like J20s are all beyond 1500 km or even larger together with the range of their anti-sub missiles, the radius can be easily reach 2000 kms...And they will fly together and provide protection to our anti-sub petrol planes and drones which have combat radius beyond 3000 km... And what I mean by land force is the land to sea attacking missiles like YJ100 etc... Together with our navy, your 3 subs has no chance to survive if you dare to come close to our coast...

As for the number of ASBMs, we have 6 brigades of DF21D alone, this does not include DF26Ds, and each brigade has 54 launch vehicles, that is over 300 launchers, we can fire 300 in one wave of attack, and within 15 minutes, another wave of strike... Even if you have 20 carriers, they will all be sunk and go to the bottom of oceans within minuates... let alone just 2 carriers...
https://baijiahao.baidu.com/s?id=1601081247690216103&wfr=spider&for=pc

And I said J20s on carriers are extra bonus... I would not to bother your B.S. about J20s... lol...

You know shit!
The only thing you know is racism!

The reason why the US entered the pacific war was because of Japan attack on Vietnam. If Japan didn’t attack, the US would not be threatened and issued ultimatum to Japan.

The fall and conquests of Philippines, Malaysia, Singapore, Indonesia and possibly Australia would not be possible for Japan.

Many kids of chinese settlers today in ASEAN have their roots in Hoian. Even the German tourists know it thanks to holiday lectures.

You live in another planet...
Didn't your history teacher teach you there is a place called "Pearl Harbor"???

The problem lies on you is you think too much of vn which is really really negligible on world stage in reality...

 

[UKBengali]

@Kai Liu So how many of the larger DF-26D does China have?
100? 200?1000?

Again read what I said about the threat of UK SSNs diverting a large part of PLAN to defend the DF-26Ds.
UK SSNs need never even leave the UK fleet, just the threat will be enough.

China has no answer to the UKs dominance in air and under the sea it seems.

 

[Viet]

You live in another planet...
Didn't your history teacher teach you there is a place called "Pearl Harbor"???

The problem lies on you is you think too much of vn which is really really negligible on world stage in reality...

Chain of events

The US issued ultimatum to Japan after attack on Vietnam. The US demand: Japan withdrawal, Vietnam (along with Laos and Cambodia) would become a neutral country similar to Swiss, under a joint US/JP supervision. That was unacceptable for Japan.
Japan refused. The US increased the stakes demanding JP to withdraw from China. The US imposed a total trade and oil embargo, frozening all Japanese assets in America, pushing Japan to the brink of collapse. Japan saw no way out, launched preemptive strike on Pearl Habor.

Without attack on Vietnam, you would be still under Japan’s fists.
Not a necessary a bad thing, considering your arrogance and racism.

The US knew they pushed Japan to war.

 

[Han Patriot]

I am talking about a war between UK and PLAN out in the open ocean.
This started out as myself and a Chinese poster disagreed on whether the UK or PLAN was the 2nd most powerful Navy in the world right now.
Strictly the DF-26D should not even come into play here.

Yes China would win within the 1st Island Chain even against USA as it could bring the full might of it’s land based assets into play.

It depends on how you define open seas, IOR? If US does not get involved, i would still believe UK will lose the war, they just don't have enough assets. Quantity is a quality by itself. Guided cruise missiles can sink aircraft carrierz too.

 

[antonius123]

@Kai Liu So how many of the larger DF-26D does China have?
100? 200?1000?

Again read what I said about the threat of UK SSNs diverting a large part of PLAN to defend the DF-26Ds.
UK SSNs need never even leave the UK fleet, just the threat will be enough.

China has no answer to the UKs dominance in air and under the sea it seems.

Boy .. when will you be a little bit rationale and exit from delusion?

How many SSN that UK have that make you think can divert hundreds of PLAN warship?

I am telling you: It will take whole UK navy in order to divert PLAN warships ... and still will end up sacrificing whole UK Navy to the bottom of the sea for that kind of effort without China need to launch even single DF-26

Not to mention your ships will only became target of DF-26 in the first place before they are able to approach mainland off shore in order to launch Tomahawks.

And since when Navy with only 76 ships in total can be called dominance in sea? UK Navy is left behind in term of technology, leave alone quantity. You are really out of mind .. spare a little bit shame please ..

 

[Kai Liu]

@Kai Liu So how many of the larger DF-26D does China have?
100? 200?1000?

Again read what I said about the threat of UK SSNs diverting a large part of PLAN to defend the DF-26Ds.
UK SSNs need never even leave the UK fleet, just the threat will be enough.

China has no answer to the UKs dominance in air and under the sea it seems.

Joke again...
Divert our fleet??? We don't even need our fleet to kill all your carriers and render your navy useless...our thausand DF-21/26Ds are more than enough...

UK dominance in air and under sea??? Pardon me??? Look at this F35B, in order to make it take off at short distance, it becomes a joke plane:

4.5g stress and 1.2 Mach... WTF??? It flies smoother than an airbus A380 lol....
No different than a F117 which were shot down by the old shxt soviet SAM-6... LOL... A dozen such crap you mean air dominace??? LMAO... ships and our powerful phase array radar and anti-stealth radar can guide our jets and SAMs to shoot down these joke planes as easy as eat a piece of cake...
and under sea, you 3 subs have alien technology to beat our 30 DDGs, 30 type 054s, 60 type 056s, 70 subs with advance tow sonar??? What a joke!
And above mentioned are extra bonus too, as our ASBMs are more than enough to destroy all your carriers make your navy useless... lol...

Chain of events

The US issued ultimatum to Japan after attack on Vietnam. The US demand: Japan withdrawal, Vietnam (along with Laos and Cambodia) would become a neutral country similar to Swiss, under a joint US/JP supervision. That was unacceptable for Japan.
Japan refused. The US increased the stakes demanding JP to withdraw from China. The US imposed a total trade and oil embargo, frozening all Japanese assets in America, pushing Japan to the brink of collapse. Japan saw no way out, launched preemptive strike on Pearl Habor.

Without attack on Vietnam, you would be still under Japan’s fists.
Not a necessary a bad thing, considering your arrogance and racism.

The US knew they pushed Japan to war.

Again, do not think too much of you... vn plays nearly zero role in WWII except you changed your master from French to Japs, that was it.... And China was in war with Jap for 12 years before Americans got involved mainly out of their own interests not because of tiny little vn... And Japs could not even managed to control even 1/3 of China through 12 years and the war went to a stalemate even before Americans got in... It was China who saved Asia or even your Soviet master from Jap slavery...

 

[Viet]

Again, do not think too much of you... vn plays nearly zero role in WWII except you changed your master from French to Japs, that was it.... And China was in war with Jap for 12 years before Americans got involved mainly out of their own interests not because of tiny little vn... And Japs could not even managed to control even 1/3 of China through 12 years and the war went to a stalemate even before Americans got in... It was China who saved Asia or even your Soviet master from Jap slavery...

Pls don’t fake history!
The Pla contributed to nothing to the war. It was almost the KMT army that fought Japan. You saved the Sovets? Really? You mean after the Red army took your women including the Manchuria?


@Suika

 

[Kai Liu]

Pls don’t fake history!
The Pla contributed to nothing to the war. It was almost the KMT army that fought Japan.


@Suika

What fake history? Isn't KMT Chinese? KMT was in power then. It was their responsibility to defend the nation...And sure, KMT was defeated by PLA after the war, and fled to TW island....

 

[UKBengali]

It depends on how you define open seas, IOR? If US does not get involved, i would still believe UK will lose the war, they just don't have enough assets. Quantity is a quality by itself. Guided cruise missiles can sink aircraft carrierz too.

Ok fair enough.
No one knows for sure who would win in UK versus PLAN Open Ocean battle, but my opinion still stands that it's supremacy in the air and under the water will give it such an advantage that it could defeat the larger PLAN over a number of weeks.

China is around 5 years away(2025) from being able to put quality, naval FC-31 fighter in air and Type-095 SSN under the sea, and then of course it would be the undisputed No.2 to the US.

 

[antonius123]

Ok fair enough.
No one knows for sure who would win in UK versus PLAN Open Ocean battle, but my opinion still stands that it's supremacy in the air and under the water will give it such an advantage that it could defeat the larger PLAN over a number of weeks.

China is around 5 years away(2025) from being able to put quality(naval FC-31 fighter and Type-095 SSN) and then of course it would be the undisputed No.2 to the US.

Nobody will care with your own opinion if keep being delusional.
China doesnt need carrier to face USN, leave alone UK Navy. Destroyers, submarine, and anti access missiles will be more than enough.

For your eye opener:

 

[UKBengali]

Joke again...
Divert our fleet??? We don't even need our fleet to kill all your carriers and render your navy useless...our thausand DF-21/26Ds are more than enough...

UK dominance in air and under sea??? Pardon me??? Look at this F35B, in order to make it take off at short distance, it becomes a joke plane:
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4.5g stress and 1.2 Mach... WTF??? It flies smoother than an airbus A380 lol....
No different than a F117 which were shot down by the old shxt soviet SAM-6... LOL... A dozen such crap you mean air dominace??? LMAO... ships and our powerful phase array radar and anti-stealth radar can guide our jets and SAMs to shoot down these joke planes as easy as eat a piece of cake...
and under sea, you 3 subs have alien technology to beat our 30 DDGs, 30 type 054s, 60 type 056s, 70 subs with advance tow sonar??? What a joke!
And above mentioned are extra bonus too, as our ASBMs are more than enough to destroy all your carriers make your navy useless... lol...

This is 2019 and not 2014.

Yes the F-35B cannot do more than 7Gs but guess what it is stealthy and has the best radar and electronics on a fighter right now. No need for it to manoeuvre at all as it just needs to detect and then kill your J-15s using long-range BVR shots.

It can carry 4 AMRAAM missiles internally to kill your J-15s from up to 100km away.

Astute SSNs will hunt down your Type-093Bs that are a generation behind them.

No airforce and no submarine escorts and the PLAN surface fleet is defenceless against UK air and submarine attacks.

Now get serious and start on how your fleet will try to survive without bringing in unproven and untested ASBMs and anti-stealth radar.

 

[antonius123]

This is 2019 and not 2014.

Yes the F-35B cannot do more than 7Gs but guess what it is stealthy and has the best radar and electronics on a fighter right now. No need for it to manoeuvre at all as it just needs to detect and then kill your J-15s using long-range BVR shots.

It can carry 4 AMRAAM missiles internally to kill your J-15s from up to 100km away.

Astute SSNs will hunt down your Type-093Bs that are a generation behind them.

No airforce and no submarine escorts and the PLAN surface fleet is defenceless against UK air and submarine attacks.

Now get serious and start on how your fleet will try to survive without bringing in unproven and untested ASBMs and anti-stealth radar.

How about YJ-100? dont you request discount also?

For now UK Navy doesn't have answer how to counter supersonic cruise missile with range 1000km! F-35B can do nothing to prevent the rain of YJ-100. PLAN doesnt need any J-20/J-35/DF-21/DF-26 just to handle UK Navy. Amraam with 100km range is a joke for that scenario, before F-35 able to launch Amraam at 100km away it may be shot down with range 300km HHQ9 guided with anti stealth radar.

 

[Kai Liu]

This is 2019 and not 2014.

Yes the F-35B cannot do more than 7Gs but guess what it is stealthy and has the best radar and electronics on a fighter right now. No need for it to manoeuvre at all as it just needs to detect and then kill your J-15s using long-range BVR shots.

It can carry 4 AMRAAM missiles internally to kill your J-15s from up to 100km away.

Astute SSNs will hunt down your Type-093Bs that are a generation behind them.

No airforce and no submarine escorts and the PLAN surface fleet is defenceless against UK air and submarine attacks.

Now get serious and start how your fleet will try to survive without bringing in unproven and untested ASBMs and anti-stealth radar.

you choose to neglect all our powerful radars, anti steath sensors, sonars...on our ships with overwhelming numbers I listed which can kill your planes subs and ships like gang rape ...lol... A dozen poor mans joke 'steath plane' and 3 subs.... How pathetic...

unproven untested ? BS... Has theF35B joke plane killed a ship in battle before? All self claimed shxt...Cannot even survive a old soveit SAM6 in reality....LMAO...

 

[Viet]

What fake history? Isn't KMT Chinese? KMT was in power then. It was their responsibility to defend the nation...And sure, KMT was defeated by PLA after the war, and fled to TW island....

So what was the role of the PLA during the war? Hiding and bragging?

As for KMT, in Vietnam yes like the PLA, the chinese nationalist Army was considered as terror organization. Read the note of Ho Chi Minh. Pls spare us with saving us from Japanese slavery.