China to have 4 aircraft carriers, 18 Type 055 destroyers, and 300 J-20 by 2025

[UKBengali]

Can you be more shameless??
You can defend all our overwhelming numbers of hypersonic antiship missiles with your pathetic little few ships with most of them even have no fleet defense capability, while we can not defend your vintage slow granny Hypoons with our hundred ships with full layers of air defense capability with overwhelming number and range??? WTF logic is that??? And 3 subs with torpedoes??? Your 3 pathetic subs have no chance to pass through our network of defense of hundreds of ships with advanced towed active sonars and anti-sub missiles, and just get gang raped...
And pls again: GIVE ME THE SOURCE of all your claims like 'Last I checked 9-10 of the Type-23 frigates had the Sea-Ceptor missiles' Otherwise they are all B.S.... And even that is true, you are still shitty with a point-point defense missile which is useless against our over over saturated attack...
And you say we have no anti-stealth radar just because JAPs and your white masters do not have??? This is not a convincing argument, my Bengali boy... As I have told you, we are not from a joke country like yours, our professors and engineers are serious, when they say it, they mean it... like the world's no.1 super computers and world's top 3 heavy rocket, etc. etc...And our fanboys are still more credible than you Bengali boy who claim all shxt with ZERO support... LMAO...

Ok you will fire dozens of missiles at UK ships at once to try to overwhelm the defences? Not that is likely to succeed as Aster 15/30, Sea Ceptor and CIWs would be waiting.
How will you know where to fire as your airborne assets will all be shot down by F-35Bs?
Satellites will not be enough as they cannot track moving ships.
UK would have F-35B LPI radar/RWR when they are perched in the sky hundreds of kms away from your ships radiating radars and Astutes SSNs shadowing your ships for guidance.

PS - What 100 ships? You have 30 frigates and 20 DDGs.
Your corvettes cannot fight out in the open ocean lol

 

[antonius123]

You can’t detect objects by meter wave radars if radar reflection size of those objects are smaller than one meter. Pls learn physics.

LOL. Who teached you physics? And do you know how meter the F-35B length is?
Such a clown

 

[Viet]

LOL. Who teached you physics? And do you know how meter the F-35B length is?
Such a clown

Radar reflection size matters.

you Clown!

 

[antonius123]

Chinese fanboys believe anything that CCP claims.
They seriously believe that their radar tech is better than the US now!

And why should we believe with what you or your father said?

It is not CCP who says that "meter-wave radar" can detect stealth, it is PHYSICS - something that you boys have no clue - says so.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low-frequency_radar
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stealth_aircraft#Longer_wavelength_radar

All current stealth aircraft were designed to counter X-Band radars, but those shapes are getting ineffective if a radar operates in S-band and even more ineffective when the radar operates in L-band. The reason for the stealth aircraft to be detected is the wavelength of the radar, a radar operating in L-band produces wavelengths with comparable size to the aircraft itself and should exhibit scattering in the resonance region rather than the optical region, so that most of the existing stealth aircraft will turn from invisible, to visible.
https://aircraft.fandom.com/wiki/Counter_Stealth_Radar

You should learn physics at the first place! dont be fraud.

 

[The Accountant]

Are we again able to cut out the insults please?

Sea-wolf may only have up to 10km range but all Type-23s now have the Artisan 3D radar and it travels up to Mach 3. Although it can only defend it's own ship and say a nearby carrier that is close it can knock out any of China's cruise missiles.
Last I checked 9-10 of the Type-23 frigates had the Sea-Ceptor missiles installed and only 4 frigates will be required to form a virtually impenetrable barrier for any missile to get through to the carriers. That is if they get past the long-range SAMs on the Type-45 destroyers first.

Chinese claims about anti-stealth radar are not really credible as no Western country has made similar claims and the US/UK/France or Japan does not have any such radar.
Remember the Japanese fielded the world's first AESA radar on their F-2 fighter back in 1999 and they would have more reason than most to want a shipborne radar that could detect and track Chinese J-20s.

Any real source for shipborne DF-21Ds apart from Chinese fanboy forum claims?
Even if they are real the chances of a hit from one is extremely remote as I already explained to you in detail.

F-35Bs would be using thier LPI radars(world's most advanced fighter radar) to search and get tracks on your ships to allow other assets like cruise missiles and Torpedoes to sink them.While you could probably fend off the 100 or so cruise missiles that UK will fire at your ships, losing say 5-10 ships, you have no real defence against the 50km range Spearfish Torpedoes that the Astutes will fire at you.
Just count yourself lucky that the Spear 3 missile is not ready, each F-35B can carry 8 internally and 140km range, as your fleet would literally then be wiped out within a week rather than many weeks. Saying that UK would probably send a few dozen "test" Spear 3 as real-life training against your ships lol

Bottom line of this post.

UK's SAMs are capable of stopping any missile attach even the supersonic and hypersonic missiles that are much faster than the defending missiles. Furthermore, despite of any tests and production versions no technology is real if its is first invested by Chinese unless it is deployed by west or Japan first. Example anti-ship ballistic missile or anti-stealth detection radar (i agree that anti-stealth radars are for detection only).

On the other side Chinese SAMs even mid ranged SAMs like HQ16s are f**king equivalent of water pistol. I never knew that a harpoon or any other anti ship missile fired from a stealth F35 will become stealth missile itself. This is really out of the world technology.

All this is really educational is really feel as current physics cannot explain this and Chinese are the biggest fool on the face of the worth that they are mass producing and deploying missiles and SAMs that dont work. Poor Chinese.

 

[antonius123]

Radar reflection size matters.

you Clown!

LOL. Yes size matters, but dont you have clue that radar power and distance with the object also do matters?! Have you truly ever learnt physics ? Such a PDF clown

And F-35 size is just like other medium fighter size! Why bring less 1m size argumentation here? Unless you have no clue about rcs either [emoji38]

 

[Kai Liu]

Ok you will fire dozens of missiles at UK ships at once to try to overwhelm the defences? Not that is likely to succeed as Aster 15/30, Sea Ceptor and CIWs would be waiting.
How will you know where to fire as your airborne assets will all be shot down by F-35Bs?
Satellites will not be enough as they cannot track moving ships.
UK would have F-35B LPI radar and Astutes shadowing your ships for guidance.

CIWs, you only got 6 on your type 45s, we got 100s on all our ships... Aster, Sea Cepotrs, you only got less than a Dozen, while all our DDGs and Frigates all have fleet defense SAMs... 10X the numer of yours...

For long distance missiles, for example, the YJ100, it need the inertia, radar, infra red, and satellite, working together to guide the missile to hit the target, but for our mach 4 hypersonic missiles, it can reach your ships within minutes... Your ship wont be able to move much, but be sent to the bottom of the ocean... And your claim that satellite can not trace moving target is B.S. as always, with no link, no source, or whatsoever, but by your big mouth...lol... And all our ships have the over-the-horizon radars which can provide the target for missiles up to 500km distance, more than enough for most of anti-ship missiles, as your granny vintage harpoon can not even reach 300km range and useless against our ships... lol...

Unlike China, German tech was No. 1 during WW2.
Chinese tech is still Tier 2.

And then your master UK is tier 4... lol ...
And what about Bangladesh??? BTW...

That’s not surprising, every major power does the same. Chinese do not differently than England, France, Germany, Japan or the Persians in the past. Peaceful rise shit.

But ok, we know they now have aircraft carriers, more warships, in no ways we can’t catch up. But we can produce cheap sea mines in thousands.

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And tell your Bangladeshi friend that this shxt can kill all their aircraft carriers... And then we have millions of them... lol... Oh, wait, BD has a aircraft carrer?? no, his master's carriers...

 

[UKBengali]

Bottom line of this post.

UK's SAMs are capable of stopping any missile attach even the supersonic and hypersonic missiles that are much faster than the defending missiles. Furthermore, despite of any tests and production versions no technology is real if its is first invested by Chinese unless it is deployed by west or Japan first. Example anti-ship ballistic missile or anti-stealth (detection radar - i agree that anti-stealth radars are for detection only).

On the other side Chinese SAMs even mid ranged SAMs like HQ16s are f**king equivallent of water pistol. I never know that with a harpoon or any other anti ship missile fired from stealth F35 will make the missile stealth as well.

All this is really educational is really feel as current physics cannot explain this and Chinese are the biggest fool on the face of the worth that they are mass producing and deploying missiles and SAMs that dont work. Poor Chinese.

Dude....

UK will control the air with F-35B and under the sea with Astute.
China is one gen behind in these areas.

When did I ever say that Chinese SAMs are useless? If the UK was to fire 100 missiles at the Chinese fleet only 5-10 may get through.

ASBMs have too many technical hurdles to cross and although there is a possibility of a hit, China has not even simulated a hit in an exercise with moving vessel let alone one that is actively trying to avoid it and using jamming tactics.

As for Chinese cruise missiles, how will they be guided close enough to the targets to use their own radars for terminal attack as the UK would control the air and under the ocean?
Satellites are just not good enough as they cannot hover over a target and provide real time tracking information.

Chinese radars and SAMs on their DDGs are ok, but the radars and SAMs on their frigates are 20 years behind what the UK fields now. Thailand rejected the Type-054A frigate when offered and put in US radars and missiles - Artisan/Sea Ceptor combo on UK Type-23 frigate is even better than what the US has now as it so brand new.

 

[Kai Liu]

Dude....

UK will control the air with F-35B and under the sea with Astute.
China is one gen behind in these areas.

Again, your slow clumsy granny F-35B dare not to come close to our ships with your old granny vintage harpoon...
And your 3 little subs been gang raped under seaby our 100s ships with advanced towed sonars and anti-sub missiles ... LMAO...
And this does not even taking into consideration of our J20s can be on our carriers within minutes if needed, and our 095s are patrolling the ocean right now at this moment...

 

[The Accountant]

Dude....

UK will control the air with F-35B and under the sea with Astute.
China is one gen behind in these areas.

Very rightly said. J20s are for air shows only. and to be aquired 18 F35 will take down already flying 28 J20s. I also never knew that with just 138 planned aircraft to be deliver in next 5 years someone can really own the sky. damn with avialiblity rate, turn around times and repairs required between each flight. THese concepts dont apply to UK.

Whereas 76 submarines of China will definitely be over run by 11 submarines (only 3 being modern) of UK.

When did I ever say that Chinese SAMs are useless? If the UK was to fire 100 missiles at the Chinese fleet only 5-10 may get through.

Exactly, a saturation attack can only work when initiated by UK but it will never work when initiated by China. No matter what that quantity of Chinese warships are more than 5 times of UK. These low life Chinese dont even know the meaning of saturation attacks.

ASBMs have too many technical hurdles to cross and although there is a possibility of a hit, China has not even simulated a hit in an exercise with moving vessel let alone one that is actively trying to avoid it and using jamming tactics.

Yup how can a test be performed when you didnt witnessed with your own eyes. I totally reject all the claims. Infact i doubt that even J20 type aircraft exist. these are mere computer generated pictures as you have not seen a real flying J20.

As for Chinese cruise missiles, how will they be guided close enough to the targets to use their own radars for terminal attack as the UK would control the air and under the ocean?
Satellites are just not good enough as they cannot hover over a target and provide real time tracking information.

Exactly, Chinese must still be using 80s era staellite where only fixed target can be aquired. How can Chinese staellites could have a real time image processing facility furthermore, there is no way that any of anti-missile could have a 2 way data link providing mid course update and own terminal guidance. These technologies are patent of USA only to be use in THAAD or any other advance ballistic missile systems.

Chinese radars and SAMs on their DDGs are ok, but the radars and SAMs on their frigates are 20 years behind what the UK fields now. Thailand rejected the Type-054A frigate when offered and put in US radars and missiles - Artisan/Sea Ceptor combo on UK Type-23 frigate is even better than what the US has now as it so brand new.

Agreed, how a country who are manufacturing 5th generation fighters, LR-SAM, satellites, hypersonic missiles can manufacture a radar that can beat UK. no matter what if the defence budget of China is 3.5 times of UK. They are for sure burning this money on useless toys that they dont even test but deploy.

These Chinese are the biggest scammers.

 

[Viet]

LOL. Yes size matters, but dont you have clue that radar power and distance with the object also do matters?! Have you truly ever learnt physics ? Such a PDF clown

And F-35 size is just like other medium fighter size! Why bring less 1m size argumentation here? Unless you have no clue about rcs either [emoji38]

You clown, to detect a plane, radar wave must reflect on the surface of the plane and returns to sender. However F35 is a stealth fighter with a rcs of a tennis ball, that is about 0.1m in radius. How can a radar wave of 1m detect the object? The wave goes thru the F35 without reflection.

 

[Kai Liu]

Very rightly said. J20s are for air shows only. and to be aquired 18 F35 will take down already flying 28 J20s. I also never knew that with just 138 planned aircraft to be deliver in next 5 years someone can really own the sky. damn with avialiblity rate, turn around times and repairs required between each flight. THese concepts dont apply to UK.

Whereas 76 submarines of China will definitely be over run by 11 submarines (only 3 being modern) of UK.



Exactly, a saturation attack can only work when initiated by UK but it will never work when initiated by China. No matter what that quantity of Chinese warships are more than 5 times of UK. These low life Chinese dont even know the meaning of saturation attacks.


Yup how can a test be performed when you didnt witnessed with your own eyes. I totally reject all the claims. Infact i doubt that even J20 type aircraft exist. these are mere computer generated pictures as you have not seen a real flying J20.



Exactly, Chinese must still be using 80s era staellite where only fixed target can be aquired. How can Chinese staellites could have a real time image processing facility furthermore, there is no way that any of anti-missile could have a 2 way data link providing mid course update and own terminal guidance. These technologies are patent of USA only to be use in THAAD or any other advance ballistic missile systems.


Agreed, how a country who are manufacturing 5th generation fighters, LR-SAM, satellites, hypersonic missiles can manufacture a radar that can beat UK. no matter what if the defence budget of China is 3.5 times of UK. They are for sure burning this money on useless toys that they dont even test but deploy.

These Chinese are the biggest scammers.

Well said Bro! This dude from Bangladesh is really jealous of the achievement made by our friendship, as I have said multiple times that PK has a way better future than his BD homeland:

You clown, to detect a plane, radar wave must reflect on the surface of the plane and returns to sender. However F35 is a stealth fighter with a rcs of a tennis ball, that is about 0.1m in radius. How can a radar wave of 1m detect the object? The wave goes thru the F35 without reflection.

idiot... and go ask your bangla friend Why I call you so...LMAO...

 

[UKBengali]

@The Accountant

Look you are not Chinese and so no need to get blinded by nationalism like the Chinese posters here.

How is a land-based J-20 going to get involved in an open ocean battle thousands of Kms away from China?

You aware of the serious work and time that will be required to make the J-20 carrier capable?

Please stay out of this if you do not have anything meaningful to contribute.

 

[Kai Liu]

@The Accountant

Look you are not Chinese and so no need to get blinded by nationalism like the Chinese posters here.

How is a land-based J-20 going to get involved in an open ocean battle thousands of Kms away from China?

You aware of the serious work and time that will be required to make the J-20 carrier capable?

Please stay out of this if you do not have anything meaningful to contribute.

What he show you here is our technology strength unlike your beloved UK master who have to ask its master to give a dozen of planes and claim to be super duper...lol... And I will tell you 'for free' that we can remotly control precisely to soft land vhiecle on moon., Our satalite can also see not only every move of your ships, but also every move when you shxt on a shithole...LMAO...

 

[UKBengali]

What he show you here is our technology strength unlike your beloved UK master who have to ask its master to give a dozen of planes and claim to be super duper...lol... And I will tell you 'for free' that we can remotly control precisely to land on moon., Our satalite can also see not only every move of your ships, but also you shxt on a shithole...LMAO...

You aware that only the stealth tech in F-35B is actually US?
The engines and vertical take off and landing system is all UK.
Radar and avionics can easily be UK as they can just swap out with what is in Eurofighter which is really a UK plane with UK radar, airframe and engines.

UK is currently building the "Tempest" 6th gen fighter to replace the Typhoon in the 2030s. It is using the knowledge of stealth from being the only Tier 1 F-35 partner to make sure Tempest is cutting-edge when it comes into service.