China rapidly narrows technology gap with S. Korea

[Economic superpower]

Yup...Made it up so good that it fooled everyone. Yet somehow, only the Chinese are able to see through...

Everyone is able to see it but Chinese members are not afraid to call you out on it.

The only military service you've ever done is the one in your pipe dream bud.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

All this time you have talking about display technology, what have Russia contributed to that in terms of advancing the technology, not just replicating the manufacturing processes ? What have your China done to the same ? Samsung invented the patterned vertical alignment (PVA) technology.

PVA is not a revolutionary technology. It is evolutionary. It did not enable new industries, it enabled the advancement of an existing one. LCDs would still exist and be just as good without PVA.

Technology like the below is revolutionary and is considered a disruptive technology by organizations including NASA and Google, since it enables entirely new industries to spring up where none previously existed. It is a revolution on the level of radio.

Quantum communications system was used at Party Congress in Beijing | South China Morning Post

 

[antonius123]

Remember the keyword is "potential". There are many potential in any kind of technological industry. What make one commercial successful and one becoming obsolete will remain to be seen.

LOLs. If you understand from the very first time that OLED has good potential market, then you should not have ignored and downplayed it.

Read again your previous claims, and your post till post #302. It is so funny

Now you realize that OLED has bright potential in the coming years that many display player race to invest in it. And LG is ahead now

I think this is a good read, though I haven't gone through it thoroughly.
The future of TVs may not be OLED after all, but something quite different
By Ian Morris, June 14, 2015Television
OLED might just be a steppingstone to the next sort of TV
The future of TVs may not be OLED after all, but something quite different | TechRadar

The future could be QLED, the combination of both Quantum Dot and OLED.

What is QDLED?

Once again, these are all PREDICTIONS

By 2020, no one will even talk about OLED as it will have no demand and the OLED promotional technology will be replaced with another promotional technology. That's how tech world operates.



You mean like how you made up stories about how you served in the US military?

You can't even back up your claim with evidence.

You are a military enthusiast, that's all. Just like everyone on this forum.

Served in the military my a$$.

Dream on

So you mean what Experts say about "bright future of OLED" is prediction.

While your claims from thin air that OLED future is Gloomy should be FACT and CERTAINTY?

You are a perfect clown

 

[pts_m_h_2016]

What is an example of ground breaking Korean technology?

I believe Kim Chi does not qualify. Any others?

 

[asia2000]

What is an example of ground breaking Korean technology?

I believe Kim Chi does not qualify. Any others?

What about Korean BBQ?

 

[Shotgunner51]

@waz @Horus @WebMaster

I fully agree with @TaiShang's views regarding abuse of the rating system by certain people given powers.

@TaiShang, @Martian2 and @Shotgunner51 all should be made either professionals or think tank status.

They give very detailed explanations with sources to back it up.

It's time to give these 3 Chinese members a proper status for their contribution to this forum.

Thanks for your compliment bro, you yourself have been contributing useful info as well as thoughtful perspectives in well mannered fashions, I enjoy reading your posts!

Other than the TT issue, I believe an additional mod for FE Section would be very helpful since @Hu Songshan despite doing a good job he has been too busy, a career geopolitics analyst/researcher like @TaiShang might be an appropriate candidate.

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On topic, "China vs SK in technology" is not an easy comparison or even fair. China is a continental sized economy, scale does matter in certain techs like thermonuclear, particle collider, global positioning satellite, ICBM, space station or geological engineering. Scale can also be a baggage in some respect, say China has demographic and geographical disparity in tech development.

As per latest WIPO data, the top 5 represents 82% of world total patent filings. For almost a century from 1883-1968, US was leading, not a surprise given US was only intact nation after WWII. Quickly revived Japan became number one from 1968-2005, hold the position for 37 years. China's trajectory was unique, overtook South Korea and Europe in 2005, Japan in 2010, US in 2011, now alone represents 31% of world total.

Yes China has been picking up at unprecedented speed since 2001, and by now already the largest in the world. However when population is taken into account, China only ranks number 9 globally (with 587 patents per million). China is still behind Germany (913), Japan (2,092) and South Korea (3,254) which tops this measure.

WIPO Global Ranking – 2015 Edition
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Hence I find this "China vs SK in technology" comparison difficult and can't give accurate assessment. Generally speaking, China tops the world in overall scale, South Korea tops the world in tech density, both remarkable achievers. I suggest the OP might narrow down comparison to a specific tech (or a category of techs) for meaningful discussion?

P.S.: Regardless of comparison results, China is always pragmatic when it comes down to business. South Korean trade advantage (as seen in 2015 trade stats) in chipsets, LNG carriers, etc., are some technological challenges that China will counter with "Made in China 2025".

 

[Martian2]

What? He really said it! Then why are airliners not using turbojet instead?

Everyone (except PDF Professional Gambit) knows that a turbofan engine is more efficient than a turbojet.

PDF selects the worse people for "Professional," "Military Professional," and "Think Tank" status. These poorly-informed individuals damage PDF's credibility.

Chengdu J-20 5th Generation Aircraft | Updates & Discussions. | Page 295

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Capability to make hydrogen bombs should be a good measure of a country's technology level.

The North Korean H-bomb is fake, typical bravado from the megalomania Kim.

China supports the North Korean socialism and sovereignty, but the Kim family dynasty must be evicted as soon as possible.

 

[Tiqiu]

The future could be QLED, the combination of both Quantum Dot and OLED.

Maybe, or maybe not, let's leave it to Mr.Market to decide.
Even I don't agree with the most of your conclusions and judgements, and ranting parts as well, I appreciated your time and effort in formulating your argument about oled v led and so on. However, even oled is the future and SK is ahead of China, it does not lead to the conclusion of SK is ahead of China in technology. This a stupid question to begin with since it is too generalized without a specific definition and framework for apple-to-apple type comparison. As many of people already covered, technology has many subsets. R&D, education level, science and academic process, number of patents etc all bear weight into country's technological strength. If we have to make a comparison of China and SK's technology in general, the weighted average scientific approach need to be adopted since it is more suitable and widely used in similar situation. Under this approach, we measure the level of each subset by a score, then we multiply it by a percentage which is predetermined according to its weighing in the overall "technology" of what we have already unambiguously confined, we come up with a score/percentage,then we move to the next and so on........., then we add all up for a total.This total is more meaningful and indicative of country's technology level in overall than the simple number counts of which is ahead and which is not ahead.

 

[Keel]

An on-topic content embedded in a posting of mine was moved to another section by the Mod
So now I have the relevant content re-posted hereunder:

This is the S Korean's achievement in aero-space. Good job.

South Korea Launches Rocket in 1st Space Success
by Miriam Kramer, Space.com Staff Writer | January 30, 2013

And for China:

China Celebrates 30th Anniversary Of First Satellite Launch
by Wei LongBeijing - April 25, 2000

Which country is in the lead? And how extensive has this comprehensive technology been translated into industrial and commercial applications?
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[Tiqiu]

The posts were moved to "admin...."

So disappeared was my replying post to yours, and no alert. Why is that? To whom I need to address to get an explanation?

 

[Aepsilons]

Definitely, after all they are elites, so, they are better educated and have greater long term interests to look after. But they create the context, often times, for anti-China propaganda for mass consumption.

And so the rabble are fed , my friend. I suppose its important to note that every elite in any society implements similar tactics to poison the thoughts of the masses, whom whose support the elite derives power. Elites will implement similar tactics i suppose, be they European, Australian, American, Japanese, Chinese, Indian, Pakistani, Saudi, Irani, Turkish et al.

Propaganda, my friend, is the opium for the masses...

 

[antonius123]

Get it through your thick skull. The owner of a company owns all the technology. Engineers are employees. The CEO is an employee. The country of Sweden doesn't own Volvo. You think Sweden is the Soviet Union or something?

I don't think you fully grasp the level of collaboration between Volvo and China.

Volvo is getting $11 billion in funding from China to build a range of new cars.
http://www.economist.com/news/business-and-finance/21615677-volvo

Volvo and Geely have multiple joint R&D centers.

"The new R&D centre will employ about 200 full-time engineers from Sweden and China."
UPDATE 1-Geely and Volvo to set up R&D centre in Sweden| Reuters

CHINA: Volvo and Geely open new R&D centre in Shanghai | Automotive Industry News | just-auto

Volvo is planning to sell Chinese-made cars in the US. These are coming from Chinese factories.
Volvo launches China-made car in United States - CNN.com

Volvo is opening its first US car factory with Chinese money.
Chinese-owned Volvo to open its first U.S. car plant - Mar. 30, 2015

Keep in mind that the 2016 Volvo XC90 is the first model produced under Chinese ownership. It is also the first model in about a decade to be free of all Ford Motor Co. components. And already it is winning tons of awards. You think this is coincidence?

The 2016 Volvo XC90 just won the coveted North American Truck/Utility of the Year.
Volvo's XC90 wins auto industry's top SUV prize

The 2016 Volvo XC90 is rank #1 in U.S. News Luxury Midsize SUVs.
Best Luxury Midsize SUVs Rankings | U.S. News Best Cars

The 2016 Volvo XC90 is the 2016 Motor Trend SUV of the Year.
2016 Volvo XC90 is the 2016 Motor Trend SUV of the Year

2016 Yahoo Autos Ride Of The Year: Volvo XC90
2016 Yahoo Autos Ride Of The Year: Volvo XC90

"Cars.com just named Volvo's stunning XC90 our Best of 2016 winner."
We Bought a 2016 Volvo XC90

5 Awards, 5 Reasons Why 2016 Volvo XC90 is the Best Luxury SUV [Photo] : Science & General News : Latinos Health

You can keep pretending Volvo is not a Chinese company if you want. But Volvo didn't achieve half of the things I listed above when they were under Ford ownership. Don't forget that Volvo was a nearly bankrupt company when they were under Ford control. Ford paid $6.4 billion for Volvo in 1999 and sold the company for $1.8 billion to China.

I challenge you to show me one vehicle in Hyundai's entire line up that's better than the 2016 Volvo XC90.
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The company, and patents indeed become belong to China.

But the technological achievement doesnt belong to China. Volvo quality reflect Sweden achievement not Chinese.
What we and you need to see is how the quality of most Chinese indigenous cars.

By your logic India can claim the technology level on par with Europe because of Jaguar acquisition

Why would China ever want to replicate Hyundai's failure in the US? Hyundai Motor America began selling cars in the USA in 1986 and today most Americans still consider Hyundai a cheap car brand. Hyundai's market share is smaller than Nissan in the US and you have to give out a 10 year/100,000 mile warranty just to keep up. Hyundai is a joke.

With the purchase of Volvo, China just skipped several decades of pain that Hyundai experienced and we leapfrogged you instantly. Who is the real winner?

You can say that, but the fact says chinese car still not ready to compete in the USA market, while Korea though not as strong as Nissan or other Japanese car producer, have already conquer USA market, and the quality is improving to the level even above Japanese car now.

 

[Slav Defence]

Everyone (except PDF Professional Gambit) knows that a turbofan engine is more efficient than a turbojet.

PDF selects the worse people for "Professional," "Military Professional," and "Think Tank" status. These poorly-informed individuals damage PDF's credibility.

Chengdu J-20 5th Generation Aircraft | Updates & Discussions. | Page 295

He was promoted due to his real life services in US military.

regards

 

[antonius123]

Maybe, or maybe not, let's leave it to Mr.Market to decide.
Even I don't agree with the most of your conclusions and judgements, and ranting parts as well, I appreciated your time and effort in formulating your argument about oled v led and so on. However, even oled is the future and SK is ahead of China, it does not lead to the conclusion of SK is ahead of China in technology.

In many industrial technology if not most, Korea and Japan still ahead China though in the military one China ahead.

This a stupid question to begin with since it is too generalized without a specific definition and framework for apple-to-apple type comparison. As many of people already covered, technology has many subsets. R&D, education level, science and academic process, number of patents etc all bear weight into country's technological strength. If we have to make a comparison of China and SK's technology in general, the weighted average scientific approach need to be adopted since it is more suitable and widely used in similar situation. Under this approach, we measure the level of each subset by a score, then we multiply it by a percentage which is predetermined according to its weighing in the overall "technology" of what we have already unambiguously confined, we come up with a score/percentage,then we move to the next and so on........., then we add all up for a total.This total is more meaningful and indicative of country's technology level in overall than the simple number counts of which is ahead and which is not ahead.

Question:

Is patents that China hold already surpass Korea?