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Bull if Hu thinks its good for chines to have a FTA with Pakistan, they will have it Hu dosnt want it for himslef :)

if u come to our country i would say just visit markets in Peshawar chines goods have flooded these markets. Both are benefiting from this the chines and Pakistanis equally, they had a huge market we have all sorts of good at cheap rates simple ! it has nothing to do with an indivisual leader

I dont know what you understood from my previous post?
 
I've visited China five times and I was surprised to see their hospitaility and awareness of Sino-Pak friendship.
Offcourse it doesn't mean that they like Pakistan more than other country.

Chinese are trading nation, you want to buy their good they'll be your friends.
If the highest man in command is agreeing to grant FTA than it's looking great for both sides.

So I don't care about the poll and I'm sure Chinese don't either. :P
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Pak-China strategic partnership growing: Hu

LAHORE (November 27 2006): Chinese President Hu Jintao has said that the strategic partnership between Pakistan and China is growing through enhanced co-operation in economic field. Pakistan and China enjoy all-weather relations, which are getting further strengthened, he said, while speaking at the inaugural ceremony of $250 million Haier Pakistan and Ruba Economic Zone project at Haier plant in Manga Mandi, some 40-km off here.

Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz, Punjab Governor Lieutenant-General Khalid Maqbool (retd), Federal Privatisation Minister Zahid Hamid, Information and Broadcasting Minister Muhammad Ali Durrani, Foreign Secretary Riaz Mohammad Khan, Wapda Chairman Tariq Hameed, high-ranking government officials and leading businessmen and industrialists attended the function.

"China gives great importance to economic relations with Pakistan, and that is why we are investing here," he said, adding that Chinese companies were bringing investment in Pakistan, which was in mutual benefits of the two countries.

Greeting the Haier Pakistan over the launch of the Haier Pakistan-Ruba Economic Zone in the historic city of Lahore, Hu said this project was going to be one of the overseas Chinese home appliances manufacturing facilities. This project would be the first largest home appliances production base in Pakistan and the first Sino-Pak joint venture of its kind, he added.

Highlighting the significance of the project, Hu said: "It symbolises the widening and deepening of economic relations between the two countries."

Appreciating the successful functioning of Haier Pakistan, the Chinese President said the products manufactured by the company had become a household name in Pakistani market in a very short period. The company has achieved the largest share in the air conditioners market in Pakistan and second in sale of washing machines in just four years, he pointed out.

"This economic zone will prove to be a pace-setter for Sino-Pak relations in economic field."

The Chinese President also expressed the hope that Haier would be upgrading the technology and quality of products at the new manufacturing facilities at Haier and Ruba Economic Zone.

Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz said that Pakistan welcomes Chinese businessmen to invest in this country and benefit from its economic growth and dynamism. Pakistan is open for business, he said, and added there are over 600 MNCs already profitably operating in Pakistan.

Talking about historic and exemplary relations between the two countries, the prime minister said: "China is true and trusted friend of Pakistan, and we are proud of our enduring and time-tested friendship. Pakistan and China have common interests and aspirations. We are bound together in strategic partnership which is an anchor for global peace, stability and progress."

He pointed out that China has always generously contributed towards Pakistan national development effort. Pakistan values Chinese assistance that has strengthened Pakistan's security and development.

He averred that the agreements signed during the visit of the Chinese President, including those between private sectors would further cement mutually beneficial relations between the two countries.

Highlighting economic outlook of Pakistan, Shaukat Aziz said during the last seven years, Pakistan has implemented broad-based and multi-dimensional structural reforms and put the economy on a high growth trajectory. Its per capita income has risen substantially and there has been a significant reduction in poverty. "Last year, we received the highest level of foreign investment in the country", said the prime minister.

Shaukat Aziz told the participants that economic growth in Pakistan has opened new avenues for Chinese entrepreneurs and added that with China emerging as an exporter of capital, there are huge win-win opportunities for both sides.

According to him, the free trade agreement and the joint five-year economic programme provide the enabling environment to both sides private sectors to collaborate for mutual benefits.

"We have created an investor-friendly environment in Pakistan and our country offers vast investment opportunities in energy, oil and gas, mining, engineering, automobiles, infrastructure development technology and telecom, financial and agriculture sectors", said Shaukat Aziz.

Pakistan also has a sound and transparent privatisation programme, he pointed out.

He said with a population of 160 million people and a growing middle class, Pakistan is rapidly transforming into a major market with large product, services and labour markets and a world-class manufacturing and servicing hub of the region.

"We in Pakistan are also leveraging our geo-strategic location and developing network of infrastructure to create multiple corridors of regional co-operation involving energy, trade, transportation, tourism and people-to-people contacts", he said, adding Pakistan is keen to share with Chinese friends the advantages accruing from such linkages and complementarities.

Talking about Pakistan Haier and Ruba Economic Zone, Aziz said it was another milestone of economic co-operation between private sectors of the two countries. He thanked the Chinese government for supporting this first-ever initiative of its kind and ensured that the Pakistan government will provide the necessary facilitation and incentives to support and replicate it in different parts of the country.

Appreciating the contribution of the Ruba Group, the prime minister said it had made substantial investments in the country and acted as a bridge between the private sectors of the China and Pakistan.

Earlier, Muhammad Ayub, president, Haier and Ruba Economic Zone, in his address of welcome, expressed the hope that this $250 million project, spreading over an area of one-km square miles, would get a big success.
 
It is in interest of China and Pakistan to work together to get themselves stronger militarily and economically. 95% (My estimate) of the decisions taken by the countries are sloely based on interests, so nothing bad there.

India does it with Russia, funds them to get better technology, and thats what Pakistan has started to do now, but with transfer of technology.
 
It is in interest of China and Pakistan to work together to get themselves stronger militarily and economically. 95% (My estimate) of the decisions taken by the countries are sloely based on interests, so nothing bad there.

India does it with Russia, funds them to get better technology, and thats what Pakistan has started to do now, but with transfer of technology.

who says its wrong. Its smart sense of Pakistan to invest with a country technologically superior to itself. But they shud not think that China will support Pakistan becuz they are 'friends', no such thing in today
s world, only national interets. The only flaw lies that China's technology is not very high. So pakistan should also try and develop a relationship like with China with another nation like US, Ru, France, UK, etc where they co-develop projects of cutting edge technology. That would be the best for Pakistan.
 
china is a big market and pakistan export to this market.we need friends at our borders as china,we donot have this on our eastern and western border also.We can also be benifited from their economy and they are also transferring technology...
they are helping us
 
Chinese banks to promote trade with Pakistan

LAHORE: Chinese banking sector in collaboration with Pakistani banks is all set to play its role for the promotion of trade and investment in the two countries, said Zhang Jun, Director Urumqi City Commercial Bank here on Monday.

“After the signing of 18 agreements and memoranda of understanding (MoUs) including landmark Free Trade Agreement that could triple bilateral trade to $15 billion within five years, it has become essential for banking channels to rise to the occasion and extend maximum cooperation to the business communities of the two brotherly countries.”

Zhang Jun, who was speaking at Lahore Chamber of Commerce and Industry, urged Pakistani exporters to utilise this opportunity for the benefit of people living in this part of the world. He invited the Lahore Chamber to arrange some sector-specific delegation of Pakistani businessmen for a visit to Urumqi so that they could have first-hand knowledge about available business opportunities there.

Zhang Jun called for removal of irritants in the way of smooth trade activities between Pakistan and China. Speaking on the occasion, the LCCI President Shahid Hassan Sheikh said that China has made valuable contribution to Pakistan’s economic development, particularly the development of infrastructure and setting up of basic industries. These include Gwadar deep-sea port, Karakoram Highway, Thar coal mining, power generation projects, upgrading of Pakistan Railways and upgrading of Pakistan’s defence.

He said there has been almost 100 per cent increase in bilateral trade between China and Pakistan over the last five years. In terms of Foreign Direct Investment, Chinese investment in Pakistan has increased by more than six times.

He said that during the recent visit of Chinese president to Pakistan both the sides agreed to scale down customs duty to zero per cent on 5,104 tariff lines in three years and on 3,942 items from zero to five per cent within five years after the implementation of the agreement.

China has also agreed to upgrade Karakoram Highway to facilitate the trade between the two countries. Government of Punjab too has decided to give free of cost land to Chinese investors in its industrial estates to attract Chinese investment. This is going to create a lot of business for the banks of the two countries.
 
In the wake of Hu’s visit

By Tariq Fatemi

NOW that China’s President Hu Jintao has returned home after his state visit to Pakistan, it is time to examine this important event and analyse the current state of Pak-China relations. Leaders from both countries have spoken of their satisfaction with the results of the visit and this view finds corroboration in the large number of agreements and understandings signed. There is thus no reason to doubt official claims that Hu’s visit was a success.

To those of us fortunate to have worked in China and interacted closely with its people, we cannot but express admiration at the foresight and vision of the leaders of both countries, who very early on recognised the importance of forging close, mutually beneficial ties between their countries. This led to Pakistan-China relations being described in the most hyperbolic language, on occasion soaring to poetic levels, leaving many foreign analysts somewhat bewildered, when hearing Sino-Pak relations characterised as “higher than the Himalayas, deeper than the Indian Ocean and sweeter than honey”. This is all the more inexplicable, given the major differences between them, whether ideological, cultural, religious or political.

Nevertheless, a clear understanding of their common strategic interests is a strong and enduring basis for establishing what has proven to be a truly strategic relationship that has prospered notwithstanding the many changes in personalities and policy in both countries. In the case of Pakistan, it was the security imperative arising from the hostility of a bigger and stronger neighbour.

In the case of China, it was recognition of Pakistan’s importance as a link to the Muslim world and later to the US, and appreciation of the many bold initiatives taken by Pakistan to provide China a window on the world, while actively lobbying on its behalf in various forums, including the UN. The current leadership in both countries owes a debt of gratitude to their predecessors for not having permitted short-term, transient considerations to lose sight of long-term interests. This is all the more remarkable when it is recalled that for decades Pakistan was a member of two anti-communist western alliances.

It was, therefore, natural for expectations to be high when it was announced that China’s president would be coming to Pakistan, after a gap of 10 years. These hopes were met, to a large extent, by the many agreements and understandings signed during the course of Hu Jintao’s visit. They covered a host of subjects that included the landmark Free Trade Agreement that is expected to boost bilateral trade from $4.2 billion last year to $15 billion within the next five years. The two countries also agreed to an unprecedented five-year plan to enhance economic ties, while their defence cooperation will also be taken to new heights, with China agreeing to collaborate in the production of an AWACS system.

Commenting on these agreements, the Chinese president emphasised that they “served the fundamental interests of our two peoples, and are also conducive to the peace and development of our region”, adding, “we want to work with Pakistan to raise our strategic ties to a new level”. As evidence of this, he confirmed that China would continue to help Pakistan in the fields of nuclear power and provide assistance in the sectors of hydro electricity, coal and alternative sources of energy.

Since Hu Jintao had come to Pakistan from India, where his visit had gone off well, it was inevitable that comparisons would be drawn. In particular, two aspects of the India visit aroused some concern in Pakistan. The first was Hu’s comment that “China welcomes and supports improvement in relations between India and Pakistan”, and that Beijing stood ready to play a “constructive role for the promotion of peace and development in South Asia”.

Some eyebrows were raised in Pakistan at this offer, especially as China was perceived to be “in our corner”. In reality, it is India that should have been upset at this offer because any internationalisation of Indo-Pak differences, in particular, the Kashmir dispute, goes against India’s long-standing policy. Pakistan, on the other hand, has encouraged greater interest on the part of the international community in the peace process.

It was nevertheless reassuring to hear the Chinese president explain that his country supported the “peace process between India and Pakistan as it is conducive for South Asia and Asia as a whole”. In Pakistan, President Hu made it clear that China would continue to view its relations with Pakistan from “a strategic and long-term perspective”. This was an important statement as was his declaration that China was “ready to work with Pakistan to raise their strategic partnership to a new level”.

The other issue that aroused considerable speculation related to reports that President Hu had endorsed the US-India nuclear deal. These concerns were further reinforced when Hu’s visit to Pakistan did not yield an agreement on a new nuclear deal, as had been speculated in the media. It is, however, important to note that China did not endorse the Indo-US nuclear deal, though it did agree to promote civilian nuclear cooperation with India. In my view, this was an ingenious initiative, for it establishes China’s credentials as an internationally credible supplier of nuclear technology, while depriving the Indians of any excuse to object to a similar arrangement between China and Pakistan.

As to why the Islamabad visit did not yield an agreement on nuclear reactors, I view it as evidence of Chinese caution and prudence. Given continuing western concerns about Pakistan’s less than exemplary non-proliferation record, I think it was wise of the Chinese not to draw attention to this aspect of their cooperation with Pakistan, especially now that China is a member of the Nuclear Suppliers Group.

I also gather from reliable sources that the Chinese had already given us strong assurance of continuing assistance in the construction of more nuclear reactors but that the agreements had to be predated to the time before China joined the Nuclear Suppliers Group so as not to create another irritant in its relations with the US and other members of the NSG. In my view, our requirement of nuclear reactors has been taken care of, which is what matters. President Hu confirmed this view when he categorically stated, with reference to Chashma I and II, that “in the future we will continue to carry out such cooperation”.

It is, nevertheless, important to note that China is no longer merely a regional power; it is now a global player, with worldwide interests. While Pakistan remains “a strategic friend” of China, Islamabad has to appreciate that it no longer has a sole claim on China’s affection. Moreover, China has to balance its ties with Pakistan in a manner that its interests elsewhere are not hurt or compromised.

In this context, it is important to appreciate that China has to take into account India’s emergence as a major economic and political entity — one that is being courted by the major powers and which the US is promoting as a counterweight to China. Instead of pursuing a hostile policy towards Delhi that would only push India closer to the US, Beijing has chosen to improve its own relations with India, especially in the trade and economic spheres, to discourage India from playing the American game.

Last week, the prestigious US Congressional Research Service pointed out in a report that China would soon become India’s largest trading partner, supplanting the US. It also commented that while the two are seen as rising 21st century powers, they are also “potential strategic rivals”. Around the same time, James Wolfensohn, the former World Bank president, observed that the “West must prepare for a future dominated by China and India, whose rapid economic rise will soon fundamentally alter the global balance of power.”

China knows this and is already preparing to take advantage of these changes. Unlike the former Soviet Union, it has no ideological preferences and unlike the US, it does not wish to divide the world into rival centres of power. Instead, it wishes to deal with other countries as “sovereign equals”, promoting mutually advantageous relations with them. Its primary concern is to ensure that China remains strong and economically prosperous, since that is the only guarantee of its independence and stability. It thus has no hesitation in investing massively in the US economy, while forging economic links with the countries of Africa and Latin America that see the US as a predator state.

In fact, the Chinese have always favoured a low-key, restrained approach to international relations, with primacy on economic ties, while refraining from interfering in the internal affairs of other states. I recall being told in Beijing, that the veteran Chinese leader, Deng Xiaoping, just before his death, had warned his comrades to ensure that China remained firmly wedded to economic reforms and refrained from any adventure lest its economic development was disrupted and the West given an excuse to harm Chinese interests. His successors have remained faithful to this wise counsel, as evident from the remarkable growth rate that has brought them both economic success and political clout.

As part of this policy, the Chinese have sought to settle their differences with their neighbours peacefully and through negotiations. Where a political resolution has not been easily achievable, they have chosen to freeze the issue, rather than permit it to sour relations. This is most evident in China’s relations with India.

As regards Pakistan’s relations with Beijing, there is no doubt that the Chinese leaders are appreciative of the basic contours of our foreign policy. They are also supportive of the “peace process” with India. But two issues nevertheless continue to worry the Chinese. One is the continuing ability of radical Islamists to “disturb the peace” in China’s Muslim areas. The other is the alarming scale of our cooperation and collaboration with Nato. As is their wont, they will not speak out publicly about their concerns, but they have raised these issues in their own quiet way. In particular, they appear not to understand our growing cooperation with Nato which has expanded its area of operation at the behest of the US. This is definitely causing some concern to the Chinese.

These developments and subtle changes do not mean that Pakistan will fade away from the Chinese radar screen. In fact, China wants Pakistan to play a greater role in regional and international affairs and promises to help in this endeavour. But it does mean that Pakistan will have to do much more to remain in the focus of Chinese leaders. The agreements are all wonderful, but we have to ensure that we are able to deliver on them. It may sound a cliche, but Pakistan’s relationship with China has been truly of a “strategic nature”. We, however, need to nurture it with sincerity and devotion and refrain from doing anything that would cause the Chinese to question our commitment to this relationship.

The writer is a former ambassador.

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When a US delegate once confronted a Chinese diplomat about Beijing's uncompromising support for Pakistan, the Chinese reportedly responded with a heavily-loaded sarcastic remark: "Pakistan is our Israel".

But judging by China's unrelenting support for some of its allies, including North Korea, Burma, Zimbabwe and Sudan, its protective arm around these countries is no different from the US and Western political embrace of Israel - right or wrong.

While China is battling the West over exchange rates, import tariffs and its territorial claims in the South China Sea, Beijing is also lobbying furiously to stall a Western- inspired proposal for a Commission of Inquiry on possible war crimes by the military junta in Burma (Myanmar).

"Such a commission should not be seen as a way to punish the government, but to prevent impunity and help prevent further abuse," says the UN Special Rapporteur on Myanmar, Tomas Ojea Quintana.

But China, which in January 2007 exercised its veto, along with Russia, to prevent Security Council sanctions against Burma, has not shown any willingness to back the proposal - even for a watered-down commission.

"Clearly," says one Asian diplomat, "China is trying to reassert its political clout at the United Nations as a counterweight to its defensive stand on currency and trade issues."

The New York Times newspaper said on Tuesday that the US administration is facing a "confrontational relationship" with an assertive China and is trying to respond to "a surge of Chinese triumphalism" by strengthening Washington's relationship with Japan and South Korea.

US President Barack Obama is planning to visit four Asian countries next month - Japan, Indonesia, India and South Korea - while bypassing China.

Meanwhile, UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon, who needs China's support in the Security Council if he decides to run for a second term next year, is currently on his fourth trip to China, having visited the country in May and July 2008, and in July 2009.

In recent months, China has prevented a Security Council resolution against North Korea over the sinking of a South Korean ship and also tried to suppress a UN report alleging the use of Chinese-made bullets in attacks on UN peacekeepers in Darfur, Sudan.

"China sees value in promoting its image as the Security Council member defending the rights of the developing world, and China sees value in relying on the UN to counter US power," said Linda Jakobson, director of the programme on China and Global Security at the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute (SIPRI).

Jakobson, an in-house China expert at SIPRI, points out that Beijing also sees value in participating in UN peacekeeping operations "both because this enhances the image of China as a responsible power but also because it gives Chinese military experience".

Still, China relented to US and Western pressure in supporting four Security Council resolutions imposing sanctions against Iran, one of Beijing's staunchest political, economic and military allies.

The fourth round of sanctions, all of them aimed primarily at Iran's nuclear programme, was imposed in June this year.

Justifying his country's support for the resolution, Chinese Ambassador Li Baodong was quoted as saying that Beijing wanted to make sure that sanctions would not affect the Iranian people or its normal overseas trade.

Jakobson said that China agreed to these sanctions after much deliberation and on the condition that the energy sector was excluded.

"This can be seen as a compromise solution on China's part," she said. "The exclusion of the energy sector was crucial."

Jakobson also pointed out that China wants to protect the massive investments by Chinese energy companies already in Iran or under negotiation with Tehran, and China wants to ensure that its long-term strategic plans for energy security are not threatened.

In a detailed policy paper released last month, and titled "New Foreign Policy Actors in China", SIPRI said the increasing sway of large state-owned energy companies have an increasing influence on foreign policy deliberations in China.

Jakobson, who co-authored the report with Dean Knox, said this is one example of that sway though it is noteworthy that there are other foreign policy actors who presumably were not inclined to advocate China's support of the resolution.

On the other hand, she said, there were presumably actors who advocated China's support for the resolution because China supports non-proliferation and does not want to see Iran go nuclear.

"If China had not supported the resolution, it would reflect badly on China's image and undermine its efforts to portray itself as a responsible global power," Jakobson said.

She said China attaches great importance to the United Nations and would like to see the role of the UN strengthened - though Beijing is wary of many proposals that want to expand Security Council membership and/or give power to members other than the present five permanent members, the United States, Britain, France, Russia and China.

The SIPRI report argues that actors outside the traditional power structure are increasingly shaping China's foreign policy.

Influential new actors on the margins include Chinese state- owned enterprises, especially energy companies, which, due to their widespread international outreach, affect China's bilateral relationships and diplomacy at large.

The others include local governments, especially in border and coastal provinces, which seek more lucrative trade and foreign investment opportunities.

At the same time, there is growing importance of researchers, who serve as advisors to officials and media, and netizens, who constitute a new pressure group that China's leaders at times feel compelled to take into account, not least during international crises.

The findings also point to a fracturing of authority in foreign policy formulation.

Diversification outside China's official decision making apparatus - along with changes within it - means that foreigners can no longer expect to only deal with one government agency or Party organ but must take into account multiple actors that have both a stake and say in the decision-making processes.
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China: 'Pakistan is our Israel' - Features - Al Jazeera English
 
Lol, I agree with Chinese diplomat whole heartedly! :lol:
 
How is that a good thing?

Israel is almost like a puppet of America.

USA uses it for its own interests.

The meaning of PAKISTAN IS OUR Israel! is not as you have described......

The meaning is America supports Israel on Almost every Forum and same goes for China and Pakistan

No doubt China is a GOD gifted Friend....

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