China opposes Israel's settlements construction in occupied Palestinian territory

[iPakMan]

Any comment on what Oceanx wrote? I'd like to hear a second opinion as with such plausible ideas.

Which part? In his latest post? I agree with him completely with regards to IQ, though there are also Sephardi Jews, Ethiopian Jews and many other Divisions...
If most of the Jewish Nobel laureates are indeed Ashkenazi, i`m not sure. Feel free to check yourselves.
List of Jewish Nobel laureates - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Personally, i believe Jews are Jews, regardless of their Divisions.

 

[CardSharp]

Which part? In his latest post? I agree with him completely with regards to IQ, though there are also Sephardi Jews, Ethiopian Jews and many other Divisions...
If most of the Jewish Nobel laureates are indeed Ashkenazi, i`m not sure. Feel free to check yourselves.
List of Jewish Nobel laureates - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Personally, i believe Jews are Jews, regardless of their Divisions.

I meant this post about the Middle eastern/muslim views on Israel. I am largely clueless on the complexities here.

I am afraid you are the one who is supremely naive. To parrot the neo-con/likudnik talking point like a broken answer machine is simply not good enough.

On WSJ.com maybe it is. But not here.

For better or worse, Iran, and by extension the Persian Nation (however nefarious a concept that is) does not want to destroy Israel. And Izzies know it better than any.

Do they want to see what they believe is justice implemented in the Middle East? I believe the majority of Iranians do, on various levels.

But it's not in the way you think - or what they tell you to think.

I can tell you who unambiguously have a problem with the State of Israel and its current practices in the Arab world. And they are the Arabic-speaking Shiites. In more ways than one the Ayatollahs are speaking to them.

This kinda grand strategy/calculation is beyond the understandings of simpletons like me. So I won't comment on this further.

Or you for that matter - except I am sure "Citizen Chans" like yourself are no simpleton.

(That's a bad joke typical of me - not meant to offend anyone. As little dragon and sharpie can tell you, I mean well but I am hopelessly clumsy, and anti-social).

BTW, it took me a long time to understand something, which is that there is a difference between how (some) Shiite Arabs see Israel and how (some) Sunni Arabs view them.

Some Sunni Arabs hate Israel out of a sense of "superiority". They (not all) think they are "better" than the "Yahudi".

But (many) Shiite Arabs dislike Israel out of a sense of injustice. Some of them hate the fact that right-wing Izzies think - or least act as if they are better (or more deserving) than them. ​

Herein lies the root of the rise of Hizbo and the like.

And why do you think the right-wing Izzies and their neo-con henchmen are so head-over-heels about those "Hashemite heirs" to this kingdom and that?

We are talking the same kind of "head-over-heels" passion the CCP has for the "patriotic" successor of Panchen ...

Now you know why the House of Al-Saa-oods are right-wing Izzies' best allies and the latter really do have to sleep with one eye open when it comes to the Hizbos holed up deep in Southern Lebanon.

Anyways, the above is really a gross simplification. But IMHO it contains way more substance than the imbecilic belief that Iranians are out to destroy Israel, A-Jad's rambling not withstanding.

But in our great ethnic Chinese online democracy under the auspice of mighty PDF, you are free to believe and peddle whatever fallacy your heart fancies.

But I still wouldn't mind 50 cents for my time and effort to educate.

 

[iPakMan]

I meant this post about the Middle eastern/muslim views on Israel. I am largely clueless on the complexities here.

Well while i`m not sure where oceanx got his information from, i can neither confirm nor deny it with regards to Shiite and Sunni Muslims...
I`ll tell you what i do know,Since the creation of Israel, we tried living peacefully with all our Arab neighbors but unfortunately they didn`t want peace. Let me clarify, The way Israel was to be divided was Half of it more or less would go to the Jews, and Half of it would be Palestine which means they already Had all that they are trying to get today. But they refused, they demanded it all, and throughout the decades they tried and tried again to Conquer Israel and failed Miserably, and they were deeply humiliated. I believe this only made their hatred towards Judaism grow more and more. Now i believe from what i read of the Koran, there lies the basic hatred of Judaism(Comparing Jews to Pigs and monkeys) and "Infidels" in general but since Infidels(all non-muslims) by far dominate the world(Christianity, Indians, Chinese, Asians in general etc) they rather focus on the "source" of all their anguish as they prefer to see it, Israel aka Jewish Nation.
Now before the 79 Revolution, Iran aka Shiites was one of the closest allies of Israel(along with Turkey which recently said Israel has become their Number 1 Enemy) and these two Islamic Nations were very friendly towards Israel as opposed to their Arab Brethren.
Also in the Koran i`m not sure why it contradicts itself in so many regards other than Judaism it also states that The Jewish people are cousins of the Arab people and they are called the People of the Book and they must not be harmed...
Point being either Shiite or Sunni, the hatred for Judaism is Fundamental and Since many Countries like Iran and Saudi Arabia teach hatred Fundamentalism and disregard their own Inhumanities by the way of Sharia Law, To put it Simply, Muslims Sunnis and Shiites just hate Jews.
So i believe if Fundamentalism were to be erased from the Islamic world, Judaism and Islam could live side by side, and Iran and Turkey hopefully one day will again be our close allies.

 

[Hammy007]

You prove your idiocy again and again, try having an intelligent conversation for once instead of a moronic sarcastic one.
Microsoft has companies set up in many different countries including in Israel, not once did the video say Mr. Gates was jewish, he was photographed in Israel during a visit to Israel. How can you be this stupid, have you not been educated properly? Seems you weren`t.

what has the holocaust produced on you, some mental vitamin problem, dont you have any manners to talk, or germans and bearded rabbi just took that away from you??

troll reported.. may we have good riddance from you

 

[CardSharp]

Well while i`m not sure where oceanx got his information from, i can neither confirm nor deny it with regards to Shiite and Sunni Muslims...
I`ll tell you what i do know,Since the creation of Israel, we tried living peacefully with all our Arab neighbors but unfortunately they didn`t want peace. Let me clarify, The way Israel was to be divided was Half of it more or less would go to the Jews, and Half of it would be Palestine which means they already Had all that they are trying to get today. But they refused, they demanded it all, and throughout the decades they tried and tried again to Conquer Israel and failed Miserably, and they were deeply humiliated. I believe this only made their hatred towards Judaism grow more and more. Now i believe from what i read of the Koran, there lies the basic hatred of Judaism(Comparing Jews to Pigs and monkeys) and "Infidels" in general but since Infidels(all non-muslims) by far dominate the world(Christianity, Indians, Chinese, Asians in general etc) they rather focus on the "source" of all their anguish as they prefer to see it, Israel aka Jewish Nation.
Now before the 79 Revolution, Iran aka Shiites was one of the closest allies of Israel(along with Turkey which recently said Israel has become their Number 1 Enemy) and these two Islamic Nations were very friendly towards Israel as opposed to their Arab Brethren.
Also in the Koran i`m not sure why it contradicts itself in so many regards other than Judaism it also states that The Jewish people are cousins of the Arab people and they are called the People of the Book and they must not be harmed...
Point being either Shiite or Sunni, the hatred for Judaism is Fundamental and Since many Countries like Iran and Saudi Arabia teach hatred Fundamentalism and disregard their own Inhumanities by the way of Sharia Law, To put it Simply, Muslims Sunnis and Shiites just hate Jews.
So i believe if Fundamentalism were to be erased from the Islamic world, Judaism and Islam could live side by side, and Iran and Turkey hopefully one day will again be our close allies.

Thanks for taking the time to share your thoughts but isn't this a bit one sided. As far as I know the creation of Israel goes back beyond the second world war and UN mandate, when Jewish settlers start buying land in a government less Palestine/Judea/former Ottoman empire.

 

[DelhiDareDevil]

Many other countries have came out and condemn Israel actions, not only China.

India did this a long time ago and so did USA. I guess so have Pakistan too.

 

[DelhiDareDevil]

throughout the decades they tried and tried again to Conquer Israel and failed Miserably, and they were deeply humiliated. I believe this only made their hatred towards Judaism grow more and more.
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I agree to a certain extent, the arabs nations tried to attack Israel to take her land. And now that Israel won the war and taking they land, they seem very angry and so does the world.

Just like in World War 2, Russia took Japan islands in a war, just like Israel did to arabs.

If Israel had lost the war, they wouldnt be no Israel, agree?

Not condeming it, but every nation has land stole

 

[JayAtl]

Israel opposes china's Occupation of Tibet. do either care what the other says? especially given that that China supports despots in Africa regardless of close to genocide like policies there?

It even opposes adding terrorist groups LET/JUD to the UN sanction lists. So where is china's moral authority or compass to be taken seriously here?

 

[Hammy007]

I agree to a certain extent, the arabs nations tried to attack Israel to take her land. And now that Israel won the war and taking they land, they seem very angry and so does the world.

Just like in World War 2, Russia took Japan islands in a war, just like Israel did to arabs.

If Israel had lost the war, they wouldnt be no Israel, agree?

Not condeming it, but every nation has land stole

israel didnt exist before 1948 agreed???? and jews werent present on that land before 1920 or 30 agreed??? what had been your reaction if jews had built their holy land on dehli and deporting all indians from UP?? what would have been ghandis reaction??

 

[JayAtl]

simple question: what do you think China would do if it owned Palestine?

Hint: look at its stance on Hong Kong, Taiwan, Tibet , its part of Kashmir and its claim over islands near Japan.

throw stones at Chinese and they will do a Tienanmen square of killing 1000's in one day

 

[iPakMan]

israel didnt exist before 1948 agreed???? and jews werent present on that land before 1920 or 30 agreed??? what had been your reaction if jews had built their holy land on dehli and deporting all indians from UP?? what would have been ghandis reaction??

Israel existed before Christianity or Islam, Study Grammar and History and then come to me with your ignorance.
And yes Jews were present during the 20`s and 30`s again, study history.
And JayAti i agree, but China unlike Israel is a Great power and no country dare Criticize it as much as they do Israel because we do not have 1.4Billion People and 9 Trillion GDP. So their bleeding hearts bleed dry when it comes to a Great power, but a consumed by Enemies Tiny Israel is open to criticism all around.
And like i said CardSharp, Hatred for Jews goes deeper than the creation of Israel, both in Christinity(Too much unproportionate success for Jews for Christian Liking, us being 14 million and Christians being 1 Billion and change) and Islam(The contradictory Passages from the Qoran(Jews are monkeys and pigs, and "Do not harm the People of the Book" meaning jews).

"If Israel had lost the war, they wouldnt be no Israel, agree?" Yes, Jews would have been slaughtered for good and Hitler`s job would have been finished for him. That is why we must never lose.

And About India and others condemning Israel, like i said before, It is far easier and more rewarding to side Against Israel than with her, no reason(Other than moral, which isn`t relevant mostly) to side against Oil Rich Islamic world.

 

[kamakazi attack]

most jews have always had always great admiration for china and its culture. you can argue that most of the positive aspect of US/china relaton are driven mainly by american jews. (except for the hollywoods jews, they like to potray china as the bad guy)

china is just being pragmatic..arabs got the oil!!! money first.

china doesn't have the geo political power to influence the pal/israel issue but china does have the power to affect israel through its relation with iran.

only uncle sam can play a big role in this part of the world...and even if china could play a role..why bother? the pal/jews debate is giving the American a lot of unwanted grief.

chinese on the hand always had a great fascination with jews, most chinese wouldn't be able to tell you what a "jew" but the vast majority would be able to tell you that einstein was a jew.

 

[webber]

china backs palestinian rights long before

when we still export oil

we are not condemning Israel but unjust

 

[iPakMan]

most jews have always had always great admiration for china and its culture. you can argue that most of the positive aspect of US/china relaton are driven mainly by american jews. (except for the hollywoods jews, they like to potray china as the bad guy)

china is just being pragmatic..arabs got the oil!!! money first.

china doesn't have the geo political power to influence the pal/israel issue but china does have the power to affect israel through its relation with iran.

only uncle sam can play a big role in this part of the world...and even if china could play a role..why bother? the pal/jews debate is giving the American a lot of unwanted grief.

chinese on the hand always had a great fascination with jews, most chinese wouldn't be able to tell you what a "jew" but the vast majority would be able to tell you that einstein was a jew.

Yeah i have a friend from china, she told me the same thing. They are practically non existent in China, though there are couple of hundred million Muslims in China(Though i`ve read China is very harsh on muslims in china and makes sure no extremist ideologies threaten the government) Which is probably why i havent heard of Al-Zarhawi Psychopaths coming out of China`s Regime.
That in itself is definitely a credit to China... And like i said, even i admit that it is far more rewarding to side with Oil Rich Muslim world than with israel; No argument there.
And with regards to China and Iran, it was Israel that persuaded China to Support Sanctions on Iran by telling China that if Israel was forced to Attack Iran then China would suffer most with Oil prices skyrocketing.

And i`m not sure what you just said webber, trying rephrasing please.

 

[CardSharp]

Yeah i have a friend from china, she told me the same thing. They are practically non existent in China, though there are couple of hundred million Muslims in China(Though i`ve read China is very harsh on muslims in china and makes sure no extremist ideologies threaten the government) .

Actually it's not that China is hard on all Muslims, it's that most of Chinese Muslims are Hui Muslims. They are ethnically pretty much Chinese, are far more laid back about Islam than anywhere else and are well integrated into Chinese society. The recent troubles (bombings, killing of police) are caused by Turkic Muslims in Xinjiang. Those are the ones the Chinese government is worried about and that Turkey is making a big fuss over (Erdoğan called the 2009 riots a genocide even though Uighurs killed way more Han Chinese than the other way around)