China opposes Israel's settlements construction in occupied Palestinian territory

[iPakMan]

Actually it's not that China is hard on all Muslims, it's that most of Chinese Muslims are Hui Muslims. They are ethnically pretty much Chinese, are far more laid back about Islam than anywhere else and are well integrated into Chinese society. The recent troubles (bombings, killing of police) are caused by Turkic Muslims in Xinjiang. Those are the ones the Chinese government is worried about and that Turkey is making a big fuss over (Erdoğan called the 2009 riots a genocide even though Uighurs killed way more Han Chinese than the other way around)

Well Erdogan has been saying a lot of "wise" stuff lately, i wouldn`t pay much attention to him.

 

[cross1993]

Actually it's not that China is hard on all Muslims, it's that most of Chinese Muslims are Hui Muslims. They are ethnically pretty much Chinese, are far more laid back about Islam than anywhere else and are well integrated into Chinese society. The recent troubles (bombings, killing of police) are caused by Turkic Muslims in Xinjiang. Those are the ones the Chinese government is worried about and that Turkey is making a big fuss over (Erdoğan called the 2009 riots a genocide even though Uighurs killed way more Han Chinese than the other way around)

Yes, most China Muslims is Hui Muslims.
Hui Muslims just is the belief of Muslims Han. They and we are one people, they will not attack the Han.

iPakMan may not understand that.
For example, if there is a Jewish Muslim man, he will not attack the Jews...

Our troubles from Uighur Muslim, not Hui Muslim.

 

[CardSharp]

Yes, most China Muslims is Hui Muslims.
Hui Muslims just is the belief of Muslims Han. They and we are one people, they will not attack the Han.

iPakMan may not understand that.
For example, if there is a Jewish Muslim man, he will not attack the Jews...

Our troubles from Uighur Muslim, not Hui Muslim.

Guess you don't know much about Jews either, a Jewish Muslim man? lol...

 

[cross1993]

Guess you don't know much about Jews either, a Jewish Muslim man? lol...

Hey, I just assumed.
Hui and Han are the same blood, they only have religious differences, one is Muslim, the other is not.

 

[iPakMan]

Hey, I just assumed.
Hui and Han are the same blood, they only have religious differences, one is Muslim, the other is not.

Yeah but, Would Hui try to coerce their faith on Han?
Anyhow Judaism is a race and a religion(Some people choosing to convert to Judaism which BTW is the hardest religion to get in to, it is unbelievable... You`d think we`d want people joining the Religion cause we are so few... But that is a different discussion), so there is no such thing as Jewish Muslim Man.

 

[marshall]

The relationship between Israel and China is just as important as the relationship between Iran and China. Iran is likely more important due to a certain Israeli "action" in 1999, but thankfully it was done otherwise we wouldn't have known the true status of Israel, and we wouldn't have developed our own critical weapon. The arabs

I'm sure the CCP already knew Israel is under heavy American influence before 1999. Or is the American government under heavy Israeli influence, not even sure at this point because they usually act like a single government. I get confused whose controlling who every once in a while.

 

[marshall]

Yeah but, Would Hui try to coerce their faith on Han?
Anyhow Judaism is a race and a religion(Some people choosing to convert to Judaism which BTW is the hardest religion to get in to, it is unbelievable... You`d think we`d want people joining the Religion cause we are so few... But that is a different discussion), so there is no such thing as Jewish Muslim Man.

Judaism is as much of a race as Americans are distinct as a race. That sort of talk is simply about pseudo ethnocentric prejudice. Anybody with eyes can see that Ashkenazi Jews are a mixture of Central/East Europeans with a minority of Middle Eastern blood. Same as Sephardics with Iberian Europeans+Mediterranean+Arabic, etc. That's why Jews integrate so well into American life since they're already a melting pot.

While we're at it, what about the Ethiopian Jews or Chinese Jews? Do their 1-5% of ancient "Jewish" racially pure blood qualify them as not being Ethiopian Nilotic Africans or Chinese East Asians?

 

[marshall]

Not exactly, China has a much warmer feelings towards Jews. We do want peace in Mideast. However, we will not do anything to harm the interest of the Jewish state.

As far as I can tell, most Chinese know next to nothing about Jews or Arabs and can't tell them apart other than that they're trying to kill each other.

 

[ephone]

Maybe you should at least read or listen to what khomeini, Ali Khamanei, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad have said numerous of times over their time.

They even deny Nazi's concentration camp and say those jews-being-massacred are fabricated stories.

Iran's support of hezbollah is also another strong evidence that what iran's real intention is. Maybe you should just ask hezbollah what its goal is???

You wrote so many lines with full of imaginations. I am naive? They do not want to destroy israel? Well, they do not have the ability yet. I bet they want to do so in their dreams day in and day out.

I am afraid you are the one who is supremely naive. To parrot the neo-con/likudnik talking point like a broken answer machine is simply not good enough.

On WSJ.com maybe it is. But not here.

For better or worse, Iran, and by extension the Persian Nation (however nefarious a concept that is) does not want to destroy Israel. And Izzies know it better than any.

Do they want to see what they believe is justice implemented in the Middle East? I believe the majority of Iranians do, on various levels.

But it's not in the way you think - or what they tell you to think.

I can tell you who unambiguously have a problem with the State of Israel and its current practices in the Arab world. And they are the Arabic-speaking Shiites. In more ways than one the Ayatollahs are speaking to them.

This kinda grand strategy/calculation is beyond the understandings of simpletons like me. So I won't comment on this further.

Or you for that matter - except I am sure "Citizen Chans" like yourself are no simpleton.

(That's a bad joke typical of me - not meant to offend anyone. As little dragon and sharpie can tell you, I mean well but I am hopelessly clumsy, and anti-social).

BTW, it took me a long time to understand something, which is that there is a difference between how (some) Shiite Arabs see Israel and how (some) Sunni Arabs view them.

Some Sunni Arabs hate Israel out of a sense of "superiority". They (not all) think they are "better" than the "Yahudi".

But (many) Shiite Arabs dislike Israel out of a sense of injustice. Some of them hate the fact that right-wing Izzies think - or least act as if they are better (or more deserving) than them. ​

Herein lies the root of the rise of Hizbo and the like.

And why do you think the right-wing Izzies and their neo-con henchmen are so head-over-heels about those "Hashemite heirs" to this kingdom and that?

We are talking the same kind of "head-over-heels" passion the CCP has for the "patriotic" successor of Panchen ...

Now you know why the House of Al-Saa-oods are right-wing Izzies' best allies and the latter really do have to sleep with one eye open when it comes to the Hizbos holed up deep in Southern Lebanon.

Anyways, the above is really a gross simplification. But IMHO it contains way more substance than the imbecilic belief that Iranians are out to destroy Israel, A-Jad's rambling not withstanding.

But in our great ethnic Chinese online democracy under the auspice of mighty PDF, you are free to believe and peddle whatever fallacy your heart fancies.

But I still wouldn't mind 50 cents for my time and effort to educate.

 

[ephone]

BTW, about those "Sunni Arabs hate Israel out of a sense of 'superiority' " crap really makes me laugh.

This is not region-ism we are talking about. They hate each other since they all want to take back the holy land they believe their own religions deserve. Now Israel has full control and won't share any. It is bloody fight for more than 60 years. It can be traced back to more than 2000 years ago for the hold of this piece of land that several religions deem it holy.

Based on 'superiority'??? first time in my life, I am astonished that someone even believes this crap.

I am afraid you are the one who is supremely naive. To parrot the neo-con/likudnik talking point like a broken answer machine is simply not good enough.

On WSJ.com maybe it is. But not here.

For better or worse, Iran, and by extension the Persian Nation (however nefarious a concept that is) does not want to destroy Israel. And Izzies know it better than any.

Do they want to see what they believe is justice implemented in the Middle East? I believe the majority of Iranians do, on various levels.

But it's not in the way you think - or what they tell you to think.

I can tell you who unambiguously have a problem with the State of Israel and its current practices in the Arab world. And they are the Arabic-speaking Shiites. In more ways than one the Ayatollahs are speaking to them.

This kinda grand strategy/calculation is beyond the understandings of simpletons like me. So I won't comment on this further.

Or you for that matter - except I am sure "Citizen Chans" like yourself are no simpleton.

(That's a bad joke typical of me - not meant to offend anyone. As little dragon and sharpie can tell you, I mean well but I am hopelessly clumsy, and anti-social).

BTW, it took me a long time to understand something, which is that there is a difference between how (some) Shiite Arabs see Israel and how (some) Sunni Arabs view them.

Some Sunni Arabs hate Israel out of a sense of "superiority". They (not all) think they are "better" than the "Yahudi".

But (many) Shiite Arabs dislike Israel out of a sense of injustice. Some of them hate the fact that right-wing Izzies think - or least act as if they are better (or more deserving) than them. ​

Herein lies the root of the rise of Hizbo and the like.

And why do you think the right-wing Izzies and their neo-con henchmen are so head-over-heels about those "Hashemite heirs" to this kingdom and that?

We are talking the same kind of "head-over-heels" passion the CCP has for the "patriotic" successor of Panchen ...

Now you know why the House of Al-Saa-oods are right-wing Izzies' best allies and the latter really do have to sleep with one eye open when it comes to the Hizbos holed up deep in Southern Lebanon.

Anyways, the above is really a gross simplification. But IMHO it contains way more substance than the imbecilic belief that Iranians are out to destroy Israel, A-Jad's rambling not withstanding.

But in our great ethnic Chinese online democracy under the auspice of mighty PDF, you are free to believe and peddle whatever fallacy your heart fancies.

But I still wouldn't mind 50 cents for my time and effort to educate.

 

[ephone]

manipulation??? Are you nuts?

How could those scientists manipulate the prize in those days without significant contribution? Have you ever been to university level taking any math, physics, chemistry, economics as well as computer science classes??? You forget all of those great discovery for the past 200 years??? all the theories you have learned?

aren't you ashamed of yourself to say something like that??? Maybe Albert Einstein also manipulated to get his??? FYI, he got his only through his minor contribution, not his major one.

I do not hate jews but I also do not have rabid hatred of Islam. Just remember 1 thing: Every university in China has a Halal cafeteria. Not 1 has a Jewish cafeteria. Chinese people that have never had contact with Jews respect them due to their "surface" properties but not their "bulk" properties. Just remember the average IQ in Israel is 92, how could they have produced so many Nobel Prize winners without significant manipulation or bias of the prize itself?

 

[cross1993]

Who is the justice man in the Middle East? Jews or Arabs or Persians? We don't konw.
But the truth is important? We need to know? I think that we just need to know where our interests.

We just want a stable oil prices. That requires a peaceful Middle East.

 

[marshall]

I am afraid you are the one who is supremely naive. To parrot the neo-con/likudnik talking point like a broken answer machine is simply not good enough.

On WSJ.com maybe it is. But not here.

For better or worse, Iran, and by extension the Persian Nation (however nefarious a concept that is) does not want to destroy Israel. And Izzies know it better than any.

Do they want to see what they believe is justice implemented in the Middle East? I believe the majority of Iranians do, on various levels.

But it's not in the way you think - or what they tell you to think.

I can tell you who unambiguously have a problem with the State of Israel and its current practices in the Arab world. And they are the Arabic-speaking Shiites. In more ways than one the Ayatollahs are speaking to them.

This kinda grand strategy/calculation is beyond the understandings of simpletons like me. So I won't comment on this further.

Or you for that matter - except I am sure "Citizen Chans" like yourself are no simpleton.

(That's a bad joke typical of me - not meant to offend anyone. As little dragon and sharpie can tell you, I mean well but I am hopelessly clumsy, and anti-social).

BTW, it took me a long time to understand something, which is that there is a difference between how (some) Shiite Arabs see Israel and how (some) Sunni Arabs view them.

Some Sunni Arabs hate Israel out of a sense of "superiority". They (not all) think they are "better" than the "Yahudi".

But (many) Shiite Arabs dislike Israel out of a sense of injustice. Some of them hate the fact that right-wing Izzies think - or least act as if they are better (or more deserving) than them. ​

Herein lies the root of the rise of Hizbo and the like.

And why do you think the right-wing Izzies and their neo-con henchmen are so head-over-heels about those "Hashemite heirs" to this kingdom and that?

We are talking the same kind of "head-over-heels" passion the CCP has for the "patriotic" successor of Panchen ...

Now you know why the House of Al-Saa-oods are right-wing Izzies' best allies and the latter really do have to sleep with one eye open when it comes to the Hizbos holed up deep in Southern Lebanon.

Anyways, the above is really a gross simplification. But IMHO it contains way more substance than the imbecilic belief that Iranians are out to destroy Israel, A-Jad's rambling not withstanding.

But in our great ethnic Chinese online democracy under the auspice of mighty PDF, you are free to believe and peddle whatever fallacy your heart fancies.

But I still wouldn't mind 50 cents for my time and effort to educate.

Just some advice. Can you please tone down your skewering of words, sentence structure and excessively numerous unnecessary analogies and metaphors. It's extremely annoying and detracts from what you are saying when your message sounds more like a rap song than a debate. As you can tell, I can't stand rap. Thanks.

 

[below_freezing]

manipulation??? Are you nuts?

How could those scientists manipulate the prize in those days without significant contribution? Have you ever been to university level taking any math, physics, chemistry, economics as well as computer science classes??? You forget all of those great discovery for the past 200 years??? all the theories you have learned?

aren't you ashamed of yourself to say something like that??? Maybe Albert Einstein also manipulated to get his??? FYI, he got his only through his minor contribution, not his major one.

Maxwell, Faraday, Boltzman, Heisenberg, Pauling, Plank, Schrodinger, which is a Jew? Relativity is not important in everyday life. You are the one not talking like an educated person.

Anyhow, as long as the Jews support the Anglo-Germanic world order, they're an obstacle to liberation of all oppressed peoples everywhere.

 

[marshall]

Anyhow, as long as the Jews support the Anglo-Germanic world order, they're an obstacle to liberation of all oppressed peoples everywhere.

It's not an Anglo-Germanic world order, it's an "Anglo-American" world order, as in the duopoly of the USA and UK with the UK as the junior partner. Germany actually has its power curtailed within this power structure. The rest of the so-called "Western" alliance are not part of some conspiracy. They are simply the unwitting participants in an oppressive system that was created and perpetuated first by the British Empire and now via the Anglo-American duopoly. Most people don't describe it as I do but everybody recognizes its bits and parts such as...

• IMF
• World Bank
• WTO
• U.N. (apparatus abused for power politics MOSTLY, not always, by USA/UK)
• US Dollar (world reserve currency)
• ITU (telecommunications standards)
• IEEE (technology standards)

Until these institutions are destroyed or their form and function RADICALLY altered, the developing world will forever remain junior to the entrenched powers. China is the world's only hope for this oppressive system to end. Expect an exponential increase in CIA/NED/Freedom House style false flag subversive operations in defense of this world order. It will get ugly. This truly is an evil empire.

There are no other potential candidates with the prerequisites, motivation and incentive to do this. Once the upcoming American financial crisis begins, unless a new world currency is created that revolves around a basket of the OECD countries existing currencies, with the intention to supplement or replace the US Dollar, then I believe the US Dollar will rapidly lose its world reserve currency status. This will cause a very rapid depreciation of the US Dollar and trigger a world depression that will lay the foundation for the immediate to eventual collapse of every institution I just listed except for the United Nations which will EITHER be gradually reformed to allow more power sharing or become an even less useful organization than it is today.

Once the SHTF, the rest will be up to China. It needs to equal and then exceed the scientific/technological level of the United States. My current estimate for this is sometime between 2022-2028. Before this happens, the technological standards which have been used to economically strangle countries the Anglo-American empire seek to control, will begin to fall apart. China will use both its technological prowess coupled with its unbeatable market size to essentially dictate and enforce adoption of technology standards and wrest this tool away. The dominoes will have then all fallen or begun to. It will only be a matter of time before the military dimension is accounted for. These dominoes have already begun falling. The lynchpin is the US Dollar. Once this falls, the Anglo-American world order days will be numbered and the silent BILLIONS of the world's poor will finally be heard.