China Deployed J-11B jets in Tibet

[GodlessBastard]

PLAAF is primary aimed to defend against the US military base in Asia-Pacific and its moving carriers.

Okay, so basically it is aimed against South Korea/Japan/Seventh Fleet?

But then why is there such a large concentration of airbases in south Chengdu MR, bordering Vietnam and South China Sea?

Also, how will China exercise its claim over Taiwan, if the PLAAF cannot maintain air superiority over the island?

I don't know the exact location in Tibet.

Well, it is difficult to know something that doesn't exist!

 

[GodlessBastard]

Anyhow, I'm done for today. Nice talking to you.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

But then why is there such a large concentration of airbases in south Chengdu MR, bordering Vietnam and South China Sea?

Also, how will China exercise its claim over Taiwan, if the PLAAF cannot maintain air superiority over the island?

As i just stated, we cannot leave any spot in our land completely defenseless.

 

[SomeGuy]

China only has 200-250 Flankers of all types, including Su-27, Su-30MKK, and J-11. Taiwan itself has 145 F-16s, 60 Mirage 2000s, and 126 Ching-Kuos.

But that is beside the point. Please just answer my original question...

I think the number of Flankers is closer to 400.

 

[applesauce]

Okay, so basically it is aimed against South Korea/Japan/Seventh Fleet?

But then why is there such a large concentration of airbases in south Chengdu MR, bordering Vietnam and South China Sea?

Also, how will China exercise its claim over Taiwan, if the PLAAF cannot maintain air superiority over the island?



Well, it is difficult to know something that doesn't exist!

the plaaf is "aimed" at defending china against any potential adversaries whether its the usa or russia or india, it must be able to defend all areas of chinese territory. now of course its current deployment is more focused on some areas more than other, for instance across the taiwan strait, as for numbers, remember in the invasion(of taiwan the only real potential hotspot right now) scenario, all attacks are preceded by a massive ballistic missile strike rendering most of the enemy air power useless add to that china have not just j11 for this there are j-7(still useful) and j-10s.

 

[jagjitnatt]

Dude, WS-10A has an afterburner thrust of 132kn while MKI uses a pair of upgraded AL-31 which is 131kn.

Considering that MKI is almost as heavy as F-22 in its max take-off weight, yet a pair of 131kn engine is really weak for a such big plane.

Hahahahahahahahahahahaha.

You made me laugh so bad.
Do you have any idea what max take-off weight is?

MKI has more max take of weight, which means that it can carry more load. Even when its engines are not as powerful as the F-22, it can carry just as much load. That's the power of perfect aerodynamics, and design.

Max take off weight doesn't mean that its the weight of the aircraft.

Still can't stop laughing.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Hahahahahahahahahahahaha.

You made me laugh so bad.
Do you have any idea what max take-off weight is?

MKI has more max take of weight, which means that it can carry more load. Even when its engines are not as powerful as the F-22, it can carry just as much load. That's the power of perfect aerodynamics, and design.

Max take off weight doesn't mean that its the weight of the aircraft.

Still can't stop laughing.

An aircraft with bigger max takeoff is expected to be equipped with a pair of engines with higher thrust.

The engines of J-11B can produce higher thrust than AL-31, yet it has a smaller max takeoff.

So logically J-11B is expected to have better manoeuvrability than MKI. Of course, an aircraft designed for air superiority is going to beat an aircraft designed for multirole(fighter/bomber hybrid) in a dog fight.

 

[jagjitnatt]

An aircraft with bigger max takeoff is expected to be equipped with a pair of engines with higher thrust.

The engines of J-11B can produce higher thrust than AL-31, yet it has a smaller max takeoff.

So logically J-11B is expected to have better manoeuvrability than MKI. Of course, an aircraft designed for air superiority is going to beat an aircraft designed for multirole(fighter/bomber hybrid) in a dog fight.

Ok. I will explain one more time. Listen carefully this time.

An aircraft with more thrust, but less max take off weight means, that even with more thrust, it can not lift as much weight as the MKI. If it is not capable of lifting so much weight, how do u think will it maneuver in the air?

Max take off weight is the MAX weight an aircraft can lift. J11B can not lift as much weight as the MKI, so that means something is wrong with it. Isn't it?

J11B can not even take off at 38 tons, forget about maneuvering, whereas MKI can take off easily, and if it can take off, it can maneuver also.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Ok. I will explain one more time. Listen carefully this time.

An aircraft with more thrust, but less max take off weight means, that even with more thrust, it can not lift as much weight as the MKI. If it is not capable of lifting so much weight, how do u think will it maneuver in the air?

Max take off weight is the MAX weight an aircraft can lift. J11B can not lift as much weight as the MKI, so that means something is wrong with it. Isn't it?

J11B can not even take off at 38 tons, forget about maneuvering, whereas MKI can take off easily, and if it can take off, it can maneuver also.

Its frame is not designed to lift 39 tonnes, because it is a air-superiority aircraft, not a multirole aircraft like MKI.

But J-11Bs will likely have the similar max takeoff comparing to MKI, since it is a two-seat multirole aircraft as well.

 

[aimarraul]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_Martin_F-22_Raptor

Sukhoi Su-30MKI
Loaded weight: 24,900 kg (54,895 lb)
Max takeoff weight: 38,800 kg (85,600 lb)

Lockheed Martin F-22
Loaded weight: 64,460 lb (29,300 kg[N 3])
Max takeoff weight: 83,500 lb (38,000 kg)

either AL-31F or WS-10 can't fully show the best performance of J-10 or su-27/30
,that's why both china and russia had plan to increase the thrust of the engine,china side :modified WS-10 ,russia: 117s

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Lockheed Martin F-22 Raptor - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Sukhoi Su-30MKI
Loaded weight: 24,900 kg (54,895 lb)
Max takeoff weight: 38,800 kg (85,600 lb)

Lockheed Martin F-22
Loaded weight: 64,460 lb (29,300 kg[N 3])
Max takeoff weight: 83,500 lb (38,000 kg)

According to his logic, even the Raptor has less manoeuvrability than MIK because it has a smaller max takeoff.

 

[rockstarIN]

Its frame is not designed to lift 39 tonnes, because it is a air-superiority aircraft, not a multirole aircraft like MKI.

But J-11Bs will likely have the similar max takeoff comparing to MKI, since it is a two-seat multirole aircraft as well.

You mean to say J11B doesn't carry any A2G?

 

[jagjitnatt]

Its frame is not designed to lift 39 tonnes, because it is a air-superiority aircraft, not a multirole aircraft like MKI.

But J-11Bs will likely have the similar max takeoff comparing to MKI, since it is a two-seat multirole aircraft as well.

If its frame can not take 39 tons, then how will it sustain the 8-9+ Gs of tension? Your argument is not correct. At 6 Gs, even 10 tons would put pressure equivalent to 60 tons. That means your aircraft can not maneuver also. Is that your argument?

Max take off weight is not a limit, its the maximum ability. You do not set a max take off weight on a plane, you test it. J-11B doesn't have a max take off weight anywhere near the MKI. Please accept the reality.

According to his logic, even the Raptor has less manoeuvrability than MIK because it has a smaller max takeoff.

And yes, you are true. MKI is more maneuverable than the Raptor. I don't know why people think of Raptor as the 'Super duper' plane. Its got its good points, but its got its bad points as well, and although its the most maneuverable American plane, its no where near the Russian Su27/30 or even Mig-35 in maneuverability.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

You mean to say J11B doesn't carry any A2G?

J-11Bs will likely carry air-to-ground missiles, but not J-11B which is purely air-superiority.

 

[rockstarIN]

J-11Bs will likely carry air-to-ground missiles, but not J-11B which is purely air-superiority.

I'm confused