China Civil Aviation, AVIC (MA600) & COMAC (ARJ21/C919/C929)

[SinoChallenger]

ARJ-21 has been having problems. Even Laos had to cancel their order because of our delay.

It's not likely to be delivered to customers until 2012-2013.

??C919??????????_??_???

 

[Determined Tiger]

It gonna have its first flight test by 2014, and commercially available by 2016.

We have to wait so long it is because we are making sure that this plane will run properly with our own jet engine.

I think cooperate with richer experiment partners is more better bro, the aviation industry is not an easy job, plus people will not trust you if it is 100% China self-growth machine!!! Big boss like Boeing and Airbus need few decades to test and prove their quality but still fail sometimes, you have not got any good reputation in this field if not said the negative views!!!

Let's take a look at how people say about the Russian-Made one:

http://community.nytimes.com/comments/www.nytimes.com/2011/08/30/business/global/russia-hits-headwinds-in-selling-airliners-to-the-west.html?sort=oldest&offset=1

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

I think cooperate with richer experiment partners is more better bro, the aviation industry is not an easy job, plus people will not trust you if it is 100% China self-growth machine!!! Big boss like Boeing and Airbus need few decades to test and prove their quality but still fail sometimes, you have not got any good reputation in this field if not said the negative views!!!

Let's take a look at how people say about the Russian-Made one:

At 35,000 Feet, a Russian Image Problem - Readers' Comments - NYTimes.com

I know, but China has the overwhelming confidence to handle everything by herself.

Because of the harsh environment that we faced in the past, it had pushed us to become more independent than anyone else.

 

[marshall]

It has been a quite long I don't see any updating about this project, I wonder how far it reach until now!?

Considering China's record with commercial aircraft, expect delays with 1st flight and at least 2 years delay minimum for actual certification IN China. Getting FAA and EASA certification is another story. Whether this aircraft is competitive or not with Airbus and Boeing, I think the FAA & EASA will drag their feet and/or there will be some sort of concerted effort to keep COMAC from gaining international market share. In any case, these premature announcements of C919 market threat to Boeing and Airbus are VASTLY OVERSTATED. The C919, and eventual C929, will have their greatest impact in the domestic Chinese market and have always targeted this segment despite whatever certain grandiose news reports claim. Any international market share will take many many years to come to fruition because the FAA and EASA will definitely drag their feet certifying China's commercial aircraft. While this is going on, there will be a worldwide campaign over flight safety of COMAC aircraft just as with the ongoing safety scares concerning ALL China made products.

Frankly, I'm very surprised people haven't mentioned this scenario in this thread considering how obvious it is. Many overly nationalistic China cheerleaders need to take stock of reality and stop relying on "so-called" positive China news when these are often just part of the larger anti-China China Threat narrative which they are unwittingly or perhaps purposely supporting under the fake guise of supposed Chinese nationalism. Those so-called "Chinese" idiots doing the latter know who you are. LOL

 

[Akasa]

There are three variants:

- C919
- C929
- C939

China Star is also building CS2000 and CS2010

 

[Heinz89]

I really doubt that Chinese aircraft industry can survive in world market... although China can dominate the local and the markets on satellite states... but break into the EU or US is nearly impossible...

 

[S10]

I really doubt that Chinese aircraft industry can survive in world market... although China can dominate the local and the markets on satellite states... but break into the EU or US is nearly impossible...

Hence the reason why the plane has so many foreign components. If American and European companies have some stakes in the project, then it's easier to open up their markets. Besides, China has been manufacturing parts and body section of commercial airliners for United States for years.

 

[Determined Tiger]

Russian just step ahead a step:

http://www.defence.pk/forums/milita...al-jet-after-engine-approval.html#post2325140

 

[Lankan Ranger]

China's homegrown C919 passenger jet starts development phase

China's homegrown C919 large passenger plane has finished its preliminary development review and entered the development phase, a senior executive of Commercial Aircraft Corporation of China Ltd. (COMAC) in Shanghai said Friday.

An expert team of the C919 project has approved the overall preliminary development review (PDR) of the passenger jet, said Jin Zhuanglong, president of the Shanghai-based COMAC.

It is expected that the manufacturing process for the components of the prototype will begin by the end of 2011.

COMAC signed a deal to sell 20 C919 large passenger planes to China Aircraft Leasing Company Limited (CALC) on Thursday.

Up to now, the users of C919 large passenger planes have reached 10 and total orders amount to 215 units.

COMAC said earlier it would develop both 168-seat and 156-seat models of the jet, with more models to be developed in the future.

It also said that test flights for the single-aisle C919 were scheduled for 2014, and delivery is slated for 2016.

China's homegrown C919 passenger jet starts development phase - Xinhua | English.news.cn

 

[ao333]

Less than 5 years worth of development?

A) It's going to crash in 2 months

B) Typical Chinese assembly job of Euro-American components, which will crash in 2 months.

C) It's going to explode like Chinese watermelons and derail like the Chinese national high-speed train which now runs at 200kmph... in 2 months.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

Less than 5 years worth of development?

A) It's going to crash in 2 months

B) Typical Chinese assembly job of Euro-American components

We already have experience with the Y-10 in the 80's.

 

[Lankan Ranger]

 

[Rank]

Less than 5 years worth of development?

A) It's going to crash in 2 months

B) Typical Chinese assembly job of Euro-American components, which will crash in 2 months.

C) It's going to explode like Chinese watermelons and derail like the Chinese national high-speed train which now runs at 200kmph... in 2 months.

Typical American assembly American made "STEALTH DRONE" @ first attempt shotdown by Iran! what a stealth tech!

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

Less than 5 years worth of development?

A) It's going to crash in 2 months

B) Typical Chinese assembly job of Euro-American components, which will crash in 2 months.

C) It's going to explode like Chinese watermelons and derail like the Chinese national high-speed train which now runs at 200kmph... in 2 months.

no one can beat the US in dangerous fruit and dangerous trains.

You think this weekend

Journalist Lloyd Lofthouse, compared the numbers going back to 2007 for India, China, and the United States. He found that out of the 177 rail accidents during that period, 20 percent of them actually occurred in the United States, 15 percent occurred in India, and only 4 percent occurred in China. But the death toll in India was far greater.

Cantaloupe Listeria Outbreak Death Toll Rises To 29

DENVER -- The death toll in an outbreak of listeria in cantaloupe has reached 29 after federal health authorities say an eighth person has died in Colorado.

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Indiana State Fair stage collapse - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

At approximately 8:45 pm EDT, Indiana State Police said that a warning was issued to the crowd in the grandstand suggesting that they may have to take cover due to the incoming severe weather. However, witnesses reported that those in the direct path of the collapsing fly system did not evacuate per the announcement.[1]

Approximately 10 minutes later, strong winds caused the stage to collapse, killing 4 people at the scene or shortly after and one person the next morning. Two people died from their injuries in the days following the collapse. Over 40 others were injured.[4][1] It was the third major stage collapse at a concert in the summer of 2011, and the first to result in fatalities.

Shortly before the accident, WTHR had reported that 77 miles per hour (124 km/h) winds were measured in Plainfield, approximately 11 miles (18 km) to the west of the fairgrounds. Later reports said that 70 miles per hour (110 km/h) winds were recorded in Speedway, just a few miles west of the fairgrounds.

 

[acetophenol]

the entry of airbus has already hit boeing hard.if the chines also enters the field,boeing will have to work reall hard.