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^^you are again not understanding my point.....these news all are by media(propaganda)...they are generating such news by trying to show some evidences via google earth and all to keep people in the dark side.....however i acknowledge the fact that china can mass produce weapons and has a huge no. but they should use it for peace, and not creating imbalance in the region!...do you want to become another USA??? revenge is a bad thing, if you conquer some regions today, the people in the region will get angry and try to take revenge tomorrow..this revenge-revenge game will continue to go on till many dead bodies are found laid......

if china becomes superpower, mongolia will become another iraq with plenty of resources....china will come and just sweep away everything!
 
^^you are again not understanding my point.....these news all are by media(propaganda)...they are generating such news by trying to show some evidences via google earth and all to keep people in the dark side.....however i acknowledge the fact that china can mass produce weapons and has a huge no. but they should use it for peace, and not creating imbalance in the region!...do you want to become another USA??? revenge is a bad thing, if you conquer some regions today, the people in the region will get angry and try to take revenge tomorrow..this revenge-revenge game will continue to go on till many dead bodies are found laid......

if china becomes superpower, mongolia will become another iraq with plenty of resources....china will come and just sweep away everything!

China is making a mistake in being too nice. Its neighbors perceive the kindness as weakness. China should become more like the U.S. or Russia (the 20% Georgia annexation was a nice touch). China should become hard-nosed like Americans and Russians.

China has the military power, but it is not using it. The Americans are bombing people every week. The Russians ripped Georgia to shreds with T-72 tanks in five days. When are Chinese going to get our turn? We're missing out on the glory.

By the way, I forgot to provide the citation for China's sea-based thermonuclear weapons (see below).

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China has a minimum of 1,924 thermonuclear warheads. Here's why.

Let's see whether my minimum estimate of 1,924 Chinese thermonuclear warheads makes sense.

1. From the DF-31As alone, there should be 144 ICBM thermonuclear warheads. The DF-31A was deployed in 2007. Add 12 new DF-31As for each subsequent year. Now multiply 48 ICBMs by 3 MIRVs for each missile.

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China showed us 12 DF-31A TELs at the 2009 Chinese military parade.

We know China launches satellites on 15 to 20 Long March/DF-31A rockets each year. Britain`s International Institute of Strategic Studies' claim that China is adding a brigade or 12 DF-31As to its arsenal each year looks reasonable. Since China manufactures 15 to 20 Long March rockets each year, China can easily produce 12 DF-31A missiles each year.

2. From the DF-5s, there are another 20 ICBMs with 4 to 5 megatons each. Richard Fisher has reported on the deployment of a DF-5B with 5 or 6 MIRVs. We do not know whether the DF-5B is a new missile or a retrofitted and upgraded DF-5.

Since we're trying to make a reasonable minimum estimate, we will just assume the DF-5Bs are upgrades of the existing DF-5s. The sum of 20 upgraded DF-5s is 100 warheads.

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DF-5 had its first flight in 1971 and has been in service since 1981.

The Pentagon claims China built 20 DF-5s and then just stopped. Essentially, the Pentagon is claiming China never built a single additional DF-5 for 30 years from 1981 to 2011. Who believes that China has been an angel and did not build another DF-5 for thirty years?!

3. There is at least a dozen DF-31, which can reach Alaska, Hawaii, or the northwestern United States. This is another 12 ICBM warheads. Since the DF-31As are reportedly MIRVed, we will assume the DF-31s are also MIRVed with 3 warheads each. The total is 36 DF-31 warheads.

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Here, we see nine DF-31s; which were first seen at China's 1999 military parade.

The Pentagon claims China only built 12 DF-31s by 1999 and just stopped. Let me get this straight. China spent billions of dollars to develop its most advanced solid-fueled ICBM by 1999 and only built 12?! Are you going to believe the Pentagon propaganda?

An U.S. general testified in front of Congress that China was at least 10 years away from building a conventional ASAT missile in 2007. That very afternoon, China successfully destroyed a weather satellite with an ASAT weapon. So much for military intelligence at the Pentagon.

4. According to Jane's Defence, the "Chinese are believed to have started the design and development of the Dong Feng-41 (DF-41) in 1986." It's been over 15 years. China has shown us an operational and deployed DF-31A. There is no reason to believe that the DF-41 has not been fully developed and become operational. It's just a longer and slightly wider missile.

The DF-41 could easily vault China into eventual parity with the United States in the total number of warheads. Ten DF-41s result in 100 150-kiloton warheads. One hundred DF-41s would increase China's nuclear arsenal by 1,000 ICBM warheads.

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Since 1986, according to Jane's Defence, China has been developing the DF-41 ICBM (which is capable of carrying 10 MIRVs).

According to GlobalSecurity, "it is anticipated that the DF-41 will be delivered to the 2d Artillery around the year 2010." In other words, the DF-41 has probably already been deployed.

Why should we believe GlobalSecurity? Let's use our common sense. The DF-41 has been in development for over 15 years. It can't stay in development for perpetuity. Given China's previous mastery of the DF-31 and DF-31A, fifteen years should be plenty of time to build a longer-range DF-41.

5. No one knows how many ICBMs China is hiding in its 5,000km Underground Great Wall. I think a sensible person would not claim that China spent ten years building the Underground Great Wall to only place an ICBM every 100km. Similarly, most reasonable people would not claim that China is hiding one ICBM every 1km.

As a rough estimate, a reasonable person would most likely assume that China is hiding one ICBM every 10km. 5,000km / 10km per hidden ICBM = 500 ICBMs hidden in China's Underground Great Wall. Assuming each ICBM is MIRVed with three warheads, I estimate China is hiding 1,500 ICBM warheads in its Underground Great Wall.

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China spent ten years building its "'Underground Great Wall' that stretches for more than 5,000km in the Hebei region of northern China."

The Pentagon currently assigns ZERO ICBMs to China's Underground Great Wall. As best as I can understand, their logic is "well, we can't see it...so we're going to say there are no ICBMs there." Seriously, what kind of military assessment is that? It's just as bad as the Pentagon's ASAT assessment.

The 5,000km underground complex was specifically built for a Chinese thermonuclear counterstrike.

I estimate there are probably 500 ICBMs hidden in the 5,000km facility in Hebei, China. I want to mention that China doesn't need 500 launch silos. A missile can be fired from a silo and another missile can be reloaded in its place. Let's assume China plans to reload five missiles for each silo. This means China would only need 100 silos over a 5,000km distance.

I can assure you the claim of only 20 Chinese ICBM silos is ludicrous. The length of a DF-21 IRBM is 11m. The length of a DF-31 ICBM is 13m. If a silo is dug a little deeper and wider, it can accommodate an ICBM; instead of an IRBM.

In the following video, which encompasses only a few mountains, I counted at least 30 silos. We know from a Chinese-state television CCTV broadcast on March 24, 2008 that China has built a 5,000km (or 3,000-mile) missile complex under a mountain range. If a few mountains contain 30 silos, imagine how many silos are hidden along 5,000km.


6. China has four Type 094 Jin-class ballistic missile submarines (SSBN). Each Type 094 SSBN carries 12 JL-2 SLBMs (submarine-launched ballistic missiles). Since the Julang-2 is based on DF-31 technology, we will follow Jane Defence's report that the JL-2 is MIRVed with 3 or 4 warheads. Using our standard 3 MIRVs for a DF-31A or JL-2 missile, we arrive at 144 warheads (e.g. 4 Type 094 SSBNs x 12 JL-2s per SSBN x 3 MIRVs per JL-2).

Therefore, China's four Type 094 SSBNs carry a total of 144 JL-2 warheads that can strike portions of the United States.

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Here, we see two Type 094 Jin-class ballistic missile submarines (SSBN). Two more SSBNs for a total of four Type 094 Jin-class SSBNs seem perfectly reasonable.
 
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^^^^^^^^^^^^ again he posted same pic's ,same matter :rofl::rofl:............. Well can you tell me, why USSR didn't nuked US and it's ally???.... even USSR got huge amount of nuke............... grow up please..... going war with some other country is not easy as you think...... stop childish arguments......
 
^^^^^^^^^^^^ again he posted same pic's ,same matter :rofl::rofl:............. Well can you tell me, why USSR didn't nuked US and it's ally???.... even USSR got huge amount of nuke............... grow up please..... going war with some other country is not easy as you think...... stop childish arguments......

It didn't stop the Americans to make up a story for going into war with Iraq. It is that easy as we think.
 
Funny thread, Mongolians hate Chinese to core, and why should not they.This thread is enough of a reason
 
Funny thread, Mongolians hate Chinese to core

That's easy to solve. China should learn the delicate art of media manipulation. Buy out key media channels in Mongolia, install sympathetic management and, within a generation, Mongolian kids will be singing the Chinese national anthem.
 
That's easy to solve. China should learn the delicate art of media manipulation. Buy out key media channels in Mongolia, install sympathetic management and, within a generation, Mongolian kids will be singing the Chinese national anthem.

U are saying their govt can't ban them ? :lol:
 
That's easy to solve. China should learn the delicate art of media manipulation. Buy out key media channels in Mongolia, install sympathetic management and, within a generation, Mongolian kids will be singing the Chinese national anthem.

Or else do what Pakistan is doing in Kashmir. lol ! the best advisers.
 
If they do, the government can be accused of stifling 'free media' ;)

That's the beauty of 'free media'. It's an open marketplace for everyone to buy influence.

yeah but they will still hate china which i must say is a better deal than loosing out to them..
 
That's easy to solve. China should learn the delicate art of media manipulation. Buy out key media channels in Mongolia, install sympathetic management and, within a generation, Mongolian kids will be singing the Chinese national anthem.

That is the holy grail, the art of media manipulation and then through it influencing the outside world, and not easily acquired. Ask the Chinese.

If they do, the government can be accused of stifling 'free media' ;)

That's the beauty of 'free media'. It's an open marketplace for everyone to buy influence.

'Free media' is a myth. All media is to influence and 'Free media' is a function of how subtle manipulator you are.
 
yeah but they will still hate china which i must say is a better deal than loosing out to them..

That's why it's important to do the job right.

That is the holy grail, the art of media manipulation and then through it influencing the outside world, and not easily acquired. Ask the Chinese.

Exactly. American media is by far the reigning king of mass psychology. No one else even comes close.

'Free media' is a myth. All media is to influence and 'Free media' is a function of how subtle manipulator you are.

My point exactly. All media reflects the agenda of its controlling interests. It's only a question of how open or indirect the controlling interest is.
 
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