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If China is going to muscle aside the United States—as many global citizens apparently believe—it’s going to have to generate wealth at a pace that would be astounding even for China.
A recent Pew Research Center poll has gotten a lot of attention because a majority of people in many nations—and even 47% of Americans—believe China has either eclipsed the U.S as a world power, or soon will.

The facts suggest that is ridiculous. China’s per-capita GDP is just $9,300, according to the CIA World Factbook. That ranks 123rd in the world. U.S. GDP per capita is $51,000, which ranks 14th. The only countries richer than the U.S. tend to be small, homogenous places such as Qatar, Luxembourg and Singapore.

No competition
For all its manufacturing might, China still has a huge population of 1.3 billion that includes hordes living in poverty or subsistence conditions. That saps resources and distorts economic policies at least as much as lobbying interests and me-first politics do in the United States. In the World Economic Forum’s annual competitiveness rankings, China ranks 29th, many spots behind the U.S., which ranks seventh.

Military might derives directly from economic wealth, which is why the U.S. military vastly outclasses that of any other nation. China spends about $166 billion a year on national security, or 2% of its GDP, according to the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute. That’s significant, but it’s only about one-fourth the U.S. defense budget of about $650 billion per year, or 4.4% of GDP.

China does have nuclear weapons, intercontinental missiles, modern submarines and other trappings of a superpower, yet it lacks the stealth technology, sophisticated command and control systems, thorough professionalism and other assets that make the U.S. military a standout. In a military confrontation, China could bloody U.S. forces, but it couldn't prevail.
China undoubtedly has a lot going for it, since it’s growing rapidly and in many ways executing smart national policies meant to cement its stature as a world power. There’s also some evidence the power and prestige of the U.S. is waning. The U.S., though, would have to fall quite a long way—and China rise just as far—before the Middle Kingdom could ever displace America as an economic and geopolitical power.

The WEF classifies China as a Stage 2 nation, which means it has become adept at the efficient production of commodities. Other nations with the same designation include Indonesia, Jordan and South Africa. According to the WEF, the U.S. is a Stage 3 nation with a more productive economy that runs on innovation. China, by contrast, tends to steal trade secrets rather than developing its own new technologies, which is just one reason it remains a long way from Stage 3 status.

Slowing growth
Many people seem to assume China will continue to grow at the near-double-digit rates of the past 20 years. But that’s dubious. Growth comes more easily when nations are in the earlier stages of development. Then it becomes harder to sustain as advantages, such as low labor costs, don’t provide such an edge anymore. With economic growth slowing and worries about a big credit bubble mounting, China may be approaching such a point of diminishing returns now. In the U.S., it was big news last September when the latest WEF rankings came out showing it had slipped two places from the previous year. Less reported: China also slipped two places.

As China’s stature improves, big problems that stand in the way of its march toward superpower status become more evident. For one thing, corruption is endemic throughout the Communist Party that governs China, which wrecks business confidence and stokes public cynicism. State-run banks may be riddled with hollow loans granted on orders from party apparatchiks. And many western businesses don’t trust what passes for the rule of law in China, since it tends to favor whatever policies benefit home-grown firms. “To sustain 6% or 7% growth, China will have to go through major reforms, which in the last 10 years they haven’t done,” says Nariman Behravesh, chief economist at forecasting firm IHS Global Insight. “If anything, the current structure could become more rigid and more entrenched, with the elite gaining much and only some of it trickling down.”

Rather than China’s rise, the biggest risk to the U.S. may be self-inflicted damage. With the whole global economy in a swoon, the United States is poised once again to lead the way back toward prosperity, with a repaired financial system, breakthrough industries, stellar universities and the penchant for ever-better mousetraps. But it could squander such advantages through lousy government, a myopic electorate and plain old complacency.

It’s certainly possible that China could one day catch up to the U.S., or even overtake it. But if that happens, there will only be one real explanation: We let them.

http://finance.**********/blogs/the-exchange/china-ain-t-u-still-tops-194311509.html ***** = y a h o o . c o m
 
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If China is going to muscle aside the United States—as many global citizens apparently believe—it’s going to have to generate wealth at a pace that would be astounding even for China.
A recent Pew Research Center poll has gotten a lot of attention because a majority of people in many nations—and even 47% of Americans—believe China has either eclipsed the U.S as a world power, or soon will.

The facts suggest that is ridiculous. China’s per-capita GDP is just $9,300, according to the CIA World Factbook. That ranks 123rd in the world. U.S. GDP per capita is $51,000, which ranks 14th. The only countries richer than the U.S. tend to be small, homogenous places such as Qatar, Luxembourg and Singapore.

No competition
For all its manufacturing might, China still has a huge population of 1.3 billion that includes hordes living in poverty or subsistence conditions. That saps resources and distorts economic policies at least as much as lobbying interests and me-first politics do in the United States. In the World Economic Forum’s annual competitiveness rankings, China ranks 29th, many spots behind the U.S., which ranks seventh.

Military might derives directly from economic wealth, which is why the U.S. military vastly outclasses that of any other nation. China spends about $166 billion a year on national security, or 2% of its GDP, according to the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute. That’s significant, but it’s only about one-fourth the U.S. defense budget of about $650 billion per year, or 4.4% of GDP.

China does have nuclear weapons, intercontinental missiles, modern submarines and other trappings of a superpower, yet it lacks the stealth technology, sophisticated command and control systems, thorough professionalism and other assets that make the U.S. military a standout. In a military confrontation, China could bloody U.S. forces, but it couldn't prevail.
China undoubtedly has a lot going for it, since it’s growing rapidly and in many ways executing smart national policies meant to cement its stature as a world power. There’s also some evidence the power and prestige of the U.S. is waning. The U.S., though, would have to fall quite a long way—and China rise just as far—before the Middle Kingdom could ever displace America as an economic and geopolitical power.

The WEF classifies China as a Stage 2 nation, which means it has become adept at the efficient production of commodities. Other nations with the same designation include Indonesia, Jordan and South Africa. According to the WEF, the U.S. is a Stage 3 nation with a more productive economy that runs on innovation. China, by contrast, tends to steal trade secrets rather than developing its own new technologies, which is just one reason it remains a long way from Stage 3 status.

Slowing growth
Many people seem to assume China will continue to grow at the near-double-digit rates of the past 20 years. But that’s dubious. Growth comes more easily when nations are in the earlier stages of development. Then it becomes harder to sustain as advantages, such as low labor costs, don’t provide such an edge anymore. With economic growth slowing and worries about a big credit bubble mounting, China may be approaching such a point of diminishing returns now. In the U.S., it was big news last September when the latest WEF rankings came out showing it had slipped two places from the previous year. Less reported: China also slipped two places.

As China’s stature improves, big problems that stand in the way of its march toward superpower status become more evident. For one thing, corruption is endemic throughout the Communist Party that governs China, which wrecks business confidence and stokes public cynicism. State-run banks may be riddled with hollow loans granted on orders from party apparatchiks. And many western businesses don’t trust what passes for the rule of law in China, since it tends to favor whatever policies benefit home-grown firms. “To sustain 6% or 7% growth, China will have to go through major reforms, which in the last 10 years they haven’t done,” says Nariman Behravesh, chief economist at forecasting firm IHS Global Insight. “If anything, the current structure could become more rigid and more entrenched, with the elite gaining much and only some of it trickling down.”

Rather than China’s rise, the biggest risk to the U.S. may be self-inflicted damage. With the whole global economy in a swoon, the United States is poised once again to lead the way back toward prosperity, with a repaired financial system, breakthrough industries, stellar universities and the penchant for ever-better mousetraps. But it could squander such advantages through lousy government, a myopic electorate and plain old complacency.

It’s certainly possible that China could one day catch up to the U.S., or even overtake it. But if that happens, there will only be one real explanation: We let them.

http://finance.**********/blogs/the-exchange/china-ain-t-u-still-tops-194311509.html ***** = y a h o o . c o m

Haven't u seen the latest data, the worlds investment banks concur with the Chinese that 7.5% is on track, still 4 times faster than the us. Perhaps you need to look harder for proper sources rather than blogs on yahoo that doesn't even work.
 
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If China is going to muscle aside the United States—as many global citizens apparently believe—it’s going to have to generate wealth at a pace that would be astounding even for China.
A recent Pew Research Center poll has gotten a lot of attention because a majority of people in many nations—and even 47% of Americans—believe China has either eclipsed the U.S as a world power, or soon will.

The facts suggest that is ridiculous. China’s per-capita GDP is just $9,300, according to the CIA World Factbook. That ranks 123rd in the world. U.S. GDP per capita is $51,000, which ranks 14th. The only countries richer than the U.S. tend to be small, homogenous places such as Qatar, Luxembourg and Singapore.

No competition
For all its manufacturing might, China still has a huge population of 1.3 billion that includes hordes living in poverty or subsistence conditions. That saps resources and distorts economic policies at least as much as lobbying interests and me-first politics do in the United States. In the World Economic Forum’s annual competitiveness rankings, China ranks 29th, many spots behind the U.S., which ranks seventh.

Military might derives directly from economic wealth, which is why the U.S. military vastly outclasses that of any other nation. China spends about $166 billion a year on national security, or 2% of its GDP, according to the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute. That’s significant, but it’s only about one-fourth the U.S. defense budget of about $650 billion per year, or 4.4% of GDP.

China does have nuclear weapons, intercontinental missiles, modern submarines and other trappings of a superpower, yet it lacks the stealth technology, sophisticated command and control systems, thorough professionalism and other assets that make the U.S. military a standout. In a military confrontation, China could bloody U.S. forces, but it couldn't prevail.
China undoubtedly has a lot going for it, since it’s growing rapidly and in many ways executing smart national policies meant to cement its stature as a world power. There’s also some evidence the power and prestige of the U.S. is waning. The U.S., though, would have to fall quite a long way—and China rise just as far—before the Middle Kingdom could ever displace America as an economic and geopolitical power.

The WEF classifies China as a Stage 2 nation, which means it has become adept at the efficient production of commodities. Other nations with the same designation include Indonesia, Jordan and South Africa. According to the WEF, the U.S. is a Stage 3 nation with a more productive economy that runs on innovation. China, by contrast, tends to steal trade secrets rather than developing its own new technologies, which is just one reason it remains a long way from Stage 3 status.

Slowing growth
Many people seem to assume China will continue to grow at the near-double-digit rates of the past 20 years. But that’s dubious. Growth comes more easily when nations are in the earlier stages of development. Then it becomes harder to sustain as advantages, such as low labor costs, don’t provide such an edge anymore. With economic growth slowing and worries about a big credit bubble mounting, China may be approaching such a point of diminishing returns now. In the U.S., it was big news last September when the latest WEF rankings came out showing it had slipped two places from the previous year. Less reported: China also slipped two places.

As China’s stature improves, big problems that stand in the way of its march toward superpower status become more evident. For one thing, corruption is endemic throughout the Communist Party that governs China, which wrecks business confidence and stokes public cynicism. State-run banks may be riddled with hollow loans granted on orders from party apparatchiks. And many western businesses don’t trust what passes for the rule of law in China, since it tends to favor whatever policies benefit home-grown firms. “To sustain 6% or 7% growth, China will have to go through major reforms, which in the last 10 years they haven’t done,” says Nariman Behravesh, chief economist at forecasting firm IHS Global Insight. “If anything, the current structure could become more rigid and more entrenched, with the elite gaining much and only some of it trickling down.”

Rather than China’s rise, the biggest risk to the U.S. may be self-inflicted damage. With the whole global economy in a swoon, the United States is poised once again to lead the way back toward prosperity, with a repaired financial system, breakthrough industries, stellar universities and the penchant for ever-better mousetraps. But it could squander such advantages through lousy government, a myopic electorate and plain old complacency.

It’s certainly possible that China could one day catch up to the U.S., or even overtake it. But if that happens, there will only be one real explanation: We let them.

http://finance.**********/blogs/the-exchange/china-ain-t-u-still-tops-194311509.html ***** = y a h o o . c o m

You know I'm disappointed in in @JayAtl, you couldn't find an article that says China isn't all that Vietnam still better.

The few points raised here are either obvious, or very narrow minded.

Obvious being, yea US is still better, who here claimed that China is better. Even the first sentence says going not already.

Militarily, China can't reach US, other than maybe Nukes. But US at this point also one can't invade China, and two can't completely defeat China for China to surrender. So the fact that US is superior is important in terms of world domination, but not so much one on one. What we have is just both guys can't defeat the other. But one of them can sort of maintain a balance of power while doing a few other things on the side.

Innovation is not limited to a certain race or even system. What is limiting China right now is the fact we are still catching up in so many fields. Though that margin is getting smaller.

The biggest thing is this, this we let them. OF course you let us, but don't pretend you are doing us a favor. It's not like you have a choice of not letting us.

All nations go through this, when the US was first created, it was fresh, it was new, it had men with dreams and the will, it had a system that wasn't established so it was up for grabs, which gave people hope.

Now it has almost none, or limited amounts of these things.
 
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Haven't u seen the latest data, the worlds investment banks concur with the Chinese that 7.5% is on track, still 4 times faster than the us. Perhaps you need to look harder for proper sources rather than blogs on yahoo that doesn't even work.

yes, we know about how by 2014 was the year projected for you take over us. the second highest presumably GDP ( faked numbers who knows)... is still designated as a 3rd world developing country. :super:

y a h o o is for some reason is banned here. Opinion articles by its writers get put in the blog section
 
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Militarily, China can't reach US, other than maybe Nukes. But US at this point also one can't invade China, and two can't completely defeat China for China to surrender. So the fact that US is superior is important in terms of world domination, but not so much one on one. What we have is just both guys can't defeat the other. But one of them can sort of maintain a balance of power while doing a few other things on the side.

Military superiority is not about who can take over ones land, although we can IF a conventional war is fought. But let's not debate that. rather it is about who can exert influence around the world for their interests, you can't. we can can go into Libya and chuck you out. We can attack Syria and everyone of those you covet at will and you can't do jack about it.

Innovation is not limited to a certain race or even system. What is limiting China right now is the fact we are still catching up in so many fields. Though that margin is getting smaller.

I have no delusional that you will not be innovative to a certain extent, but a copy paste culture will inherently always be one. You don't have , although have a bigger population, much coming out from your country, there are no out of box thinkers, like apple, face book and .. and .... you are simply relying on copy/ paste, make it cheaper, lower quality and sell to the world.
 
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Military superiority is not about who can take over ones land, although we can IF a conventional war is fought. But let's not debate that. rather it is about who can exert influence around the world for their interests, you can't. we can can go into Libya and chuck you out. We can attack Syria and everyone of those you covet at will and you can't do jack about it.



I have no delusional that you will not be innovative to a certain extent, but a copy paste culture will inherently always be one. You don't have , although have a bigger population, much coming out from your country, there are no out of box thinkers, like apple, face book and .. and .... you are simply relying on copy/ paste, make it cheaper, lower quality and sell to the world.

copy past culture is a lot better than rape culture no?:P
 
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copy past culture is a lot better than rape culture no?:P

back to rapes again :lol: what is with you guys fixation on the color of peoples skin and with rapes?

I don't know of a single country that has a rape " culture" ...
 
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The wannabe white coconut always wants to put the Chinese/China down. My guess is this Jay/Gay guy must be lending his crack to Obama.

ah ,never to disappoint us, I present you yet another poster child of the Chinese people and culture.

thank you 谢谢
 
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India: A Woman Raped Every 20 Minutes | Shakti Vahini
India: A Woman Raped Every 20 Minutes*|*Shakti Vahini

hopefully now you know :P

a blogger who says so? oh cool.

here is one for you ... in china

CHINA: More shockingly, 25 percent of respondents said they had raped a woman, and one in 25 admitted to taking part in a gang rape
and this one was not ONE person's opinion. Survey: Half of Chinese men abuse their partners: Shanghaiist

Or here where you govt makes laws about it....China's 'Child Rape Isn't Rape' Law Is Sparking Outrage

Can we not make this a rape thread- because I have tons of links to counter yours.. yeah kiddo? :no: ;)
 
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Military superiority is not about who can take over ones land, although we can IF a conventional war is fought. But let's not debate that. rather it is about who can exert influence around the world for their interests, you can't. we can can go into Libya and chuck you out. We can attack Syria and everyone of those you covet at will and you can't do jack about it.



I have no delusional that you will not be innovative to a certain extent, but a copy paste culture will inherently always be one. You don't have , although have a bigger population, much coming out from your country, there are no out of box thinkers, like apple, face book and .. and .... you are simply relying on copy/ paste, make it cheaper, lower quality and sell to the world.

There is no culture, it's easily changed when the situation is right. China has innovation, but not a lot why because as I said we are catching up.

It's like Math, you can't say Newton was not innovative when he was a boy, he just didn't know enough to start innovating. But once we come of age it will happen.

If China has this "copy/paste" culture, then why do all eastern Asian countries follow our customs and everything Chinese. Be more countries, but unlike Europe we didn't break into so many different countries when our many empires fell.

As to military, why not argue about it, what's the difference at this point, isn't that why you posted this in the first place.

China can call up over 10 million trained men in short amount of time to fight US, if US were to invade our HOMELAND, you think Iraq is bad, in a conventional war, you may have early advantage, but as you get more in land, you will face being surrounded on all side, and harsh terrain and all type of crap.

Pretty much same deal as Germans faced. Our military production, due to many reasons, mostly just not as crazy as Hitler are not producing at that rate, we could produce hundreds of thousands of tanks, unlimited guns, and ammo and enough missiles to bomb the world into mars, but why do that in peace.

And we could do things about it, and btw, Russia is the one pissed about the middle east not us. Your thinking is very weird, if the US just randomly goes into countries you will be destroyed. Also we do still have MAD. The button is just as powerful today as it was then, maybe more so.

Also we can screw the US into a coma by shutting down all US interests in China and stop all shipments to US and refuse payment on all US goods. We will of course also die, but the option is there.
 
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