As expected, your "reply" is simply another demonization attempt without addressing the straight forward implications of my response. For my amusement, here was my previous reply to this very same issue that you are having difficulty processing...
The original issue, which you seems to have a problem processing, is racism in China. Institutionalized slavery based upon class is an open door to slavery based upon race. So it is for the amusement of the readers that you are tap-dancing around both of them.
You're still on this even though I pointed out the obvious implications of what it meant for a 20 year old girl saying she never experienced racism in her entire life until she went on a TV show viewed by millions of people? You're obviously bad at math, so let me once again explain this to you in a way you may understand. China has over 1350 million people. Let that sink in....<10 minutes later>....Bi-racial visible minority girl living in Shanghai, China's biggest city, says she never experienced racism in her life until she was 20 years old....<10 minutes later>....Bi-racial visible minority girl stars in TV talent show and viewed on TV and Internet by hundreds of millions of people....<10 minutes later>....Bi-Racial girl receives lots of hate mail from a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of the hundreds of millions....<10 minutes later>...EUREKA...time to demonize racist bastards! Can you spell EPIC FAIL! LOL
And you obviously do not have much experience in both racial/ethnic education and real world experience in the same, and am not talking about just working along people of different groups, am talking about dealing directly with racial issues. The
FIRST thing a person will learn in racial/ethnic issues is that infrequent exposure and irregular contacts with people of different racial/ethnic backgrounds actually
FOSTER xenophobia and race based hatred. The Lou Jing story is typical of that fact. Her immediate social circle knows who/what she is, they know all of them are really no different from each other, and from that sympathetic social circle Lou Jing consider herself a true Chinese. I live in a big city but does everyone know who I am? Does anyone even care? If anything, there are more people of color in any
SINGLE major American state capital city than
ALL of China's major cities combined. Your 'big city' argument is a wash.
This Chinese black girl not only became famous but beat out other non-black Chinese girls in a talent contest, what happened with the vicious racial hatred directed at Lou Jing is a microcosm (your word) of the larger Chinese society where most have -- at best -- infrequent exposure and irregular contacts with people of color and
DOES NOT surprise those professionals who studied racial/ethnic issues, teaches them, and/or advises governments and international businesses about them. So
YOU take those 10 minutes packets, combine them, then spend them with someone who teaches racial/ethnic studies wherever you are at. Just as there are Chinese who uses skin whitening cream to make themselves 'white', looks like you are doing the same here.
Yup, the minority of morons on a nationalistic military forum represent the 1350+ million Chinese population. Yup, gotcha! Hey, I have my own discriminatory observation too. My observation is that closet racist Americans are
STORMFRONT race baiting soldiers. Yeehaw!
At least it is good that you acknowledge their active presence and participation here and that they are willing to be in the forefront of China's racial warriors front.
Oh really? You mean the fact that you consistently demonize the Chinese by using isolated examples and your "supposed" personal and subjective observations as proof? As I've said, your disingenuous intentions are plainly in sight. No true defender of high ideals would attribute ethnic characteristics upon the largest ethnic group on Earth using the sort of isolated and flimsy "evidence" you repeatedly bring in spite of the epic fails that your butt regularly endures. lol Your agenda is simply a reflection of your racism. Whether you are consciously doing this as a closet racist or oblivious to your own psychology is up for question.
When the Chinese members here began to make claims about the Chinese military that borders on defying the laws of physics, I politely challenged their claims with logical arguments and credible third party sources. I also encouraged them to take my arguments to whatever higher educational institution of their choices to verify my arguments and to prove me wrong. Unable to do so despite the multitudes of university degrees they claimed to possess, they resort to making personal attacks on my supposedly being a racist white whose criticisms, although technically valid, was
SOLELY racially motivated.
Then once they found out I am a Viet, and proved it to boot, their racist kitty claws (meow) really came out with even more vicious racially based attacks. They charged me with making racist attacks on the Chinese people, and yet they could not find a single post where I used any commonly known racial epithets for Asians. All because I, an 'inferior' Asian, dared to challenge the superior Chinese. They trotted out sources of dubious intellectual credibility showing how the Chinese have superior IQs and how the rest of Asia owes to China.
So yes, we all know who are the true racists here and it ain't me.
In order to be arrested and imprisoned, usually a convict needs to be guilty no? Wen Ho Lee was the only scientist imprisoned from Los Alamos for the reasons given because he was racially profiled and singled out for his Chinese ethnicity, even though he was an American. What does that tell you? He was put in solitary confinement with dozens of charges laid against him, threats of life imprisonment which escalated to threats of execution. No proof whatsoever but government leaks to the media caused a veritable stampede of anti-Chinese fever. At this time, the
COX REPORT and other such propaganda scared away foreign scientists from government defense labs because they were being monitored like they were enemy combatants. It's all fact and history, look it up! The clincher is, even today you have members of your Congress referring to the bogus "Cox Report" and other such drivel as a reason for greater military spending.
Wen Ho Lee was indiscriminately singled out as a traitor for no other reason then his Chinese ethnicity. The "careful" judgment against him was that he was Chinese. He was completely exonerated AFTER his life was destroyed in the process. The fact that he wrote a book and remains a LOYAL American is quite interesting wouldn't you say?
Anybody claiming China is the same as during Mao and actually believing it is clueless and their opinion useless. If serious debate is what is sought than Americans can start by disposing of their ideological demonization of other societies they so easily discriminate against. I wonder why that is? lol
The ordinary citizens are not the ones who freed him. In fact, your media drummed up a Red China scare that had America calling for his head even before it hit trial. Mr. Lee was denied bail put into solitary confinement nearly a year. It was an obvious punitive measure. What happened during this time in your society?
Americans were questioning all Chinese nationals as potential spies and traitors. What are Americans talking about TODAY? They are talking about some sort of interconnected loosely guided hierarchy of spies made up of thousands and thousands of Chinese "spies". So, it's even worse today than in the 1990s. You are ignorant of what is happening in America and you have the gall to claim this garbage about its egalitarianism when your country is clearly segregated just from looking at the ethnic composition of your urban areas.
First...It would be of either gross intellectual dishonesty or gross naivete to believe that the PRC does not conduct covert espionage on US soil. The Soviets did it and considering how the US is an immigrant country with large Chinese communities in all the major American state cities, that Chinese-Americans are at every societal strata in every profession, and in every governmental organs, it would be foolish for the PRC to ignore all the intelligence treasure troves. So which are you, intellectually dishonest or naive?
Second...Cynicism about the human nature is a necessary character trait in every investigator. What happened with Wen Ho Lee was a case of that cynicism gone unchecked.
Third...The Wen Ho Lee case was
CONCURRENT to another investigation of the PRC's attempt at scientific and technical espionage by tugging at the heart strings of Chinese-Americans, especially the immigrant type: Peter Lee (no relations)...
Business | China's Subtle Spy System: A Case Study -- Probe Of Physicist Took Years | Seattle Times Newspaper
Monday, May 10, 1999 - Page updated at 12:00 AM
WASHINGTON - Fourteen years ago, Peter Lee, 45, a Taiwan-born American physicist at Los Alamos National Laboratory in New Mexico, sat in a Beijing hotel room and betrayed his country.
At first it was silently, nodding yes or no as a Chinese nuclear-weapons scientist sketched a highly classified laser device used to simulate thermonuclear reactions and peppered him with questions.
China was a poor country and needed help, the Chinese scientist told Lee, who was in China on a lecture tour to discuss his specialty, laser plasma physics. Soon, Lee began describing tests he and his colleagues were conducting in New Mexico on the laser device, which created thermonuclear fusion and thus could be used through simulations to help design nuclear weapons.
The next day, Lee briefed seven or more top Chinese nuclear scientists for two hours in a conference room at another Beijing hotel. He talked about laser fusion and discussed problems the U.S. was having in its nuclear-weapons simulation program. He drew diagrams, gave specifications and explained test data. He described part of a classified paper he had written, knowing his disclosures violated the law.
In December 1997 - more than 12 years later, and after a six-year FBI investigation that included agents tapping his phones for months, reading his e-mail and his diaries, trailing him to China and conducting a polygraph test - Lee finally confessed and pleaded guilty. He had not been paid by the Chinese for information, receiving only some travel expenses in 1997, and there was no evidence he disclosed classified information other than what he himself had described.
His story, assembled through a review of court records and interviews with participants, shows how Chinese spying usually involves Chinese scientists who gather pieces of technical information from U.S. colleagues, rather than relying on intelligence agents. This subtle system emphasizes collegiality and makes it time-consuming and difficult for U.S. counterintelligence investigators to catch American scientists who may have acted illegally.
P. Lee's defense was that the information he disclosed were eventually declassified so he was not doing anything that was actually damaging to national security. It was a patently weak argument for those of us who held security clearances. I had 'Top Secret' clearance in the USAF and after the USAF, I had the same clearance in the aviation and semiconductor industries, the latter was when I worked on 'hardened' memory products. For civilians who works for defense contractors or the US Dept of Energy or anything related to national security for that matter, the initials NOFORN (no foreign nationals) are intimate to their work, from printed papers to computer files.
So what if the person know the exact date that the information related to his work will be declassified? It is still criminal to talk about it, especially to foreign nationals, even just one day before said declassification date. If a person never held a government related security clearance, he would instinctively know that businesses such as Apple or Intel know the value of information security and that Lenovo or Mikoyan or IBM or AVIC would have their own versions of NOFORN. No one bought P. Lee's defense argument. The only thing that saved P. Lee's from the longer sentence he received was that the US Navy chose security over public disclosure of some information in a public trial.
Look at the news article's date: May 1999. P. Lee's FBI investigation was six-yrs long prior to and crossed continents. The still classified version of the Cox Report was in Jan 1999. W.H. Lee's FBI investigation was in very late 1998 when he was polygraphed in Dec 1998. So given the FBI's six-yrs long investigation of P. Lee's relationships and repeated contacts with PRC agents, W.H. Lee's investigation was hardly 'indiscriminate' as you originally charged...
...the indiscriminate surveillance, interrogation and detention of Chinese nationals and Chinese-American citizens for everything from politics to industrial espionage.
So let us review the definition of 'indiscriminate' again...
Indiscriminate - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary
... not marked by careful distinction : deficient in discrimination and discernment...
A six-yr long investigation of someone who shares a similar profile of a current suspect does not make the latter's investigation 'indiscriminate'. W.H. Lee's case may be from overly zealous investigators who received background information about P. Lee's activities but that still does not make it 'indiscriminate', especially when national security information is at stake. If this was in your beloved China, both Lees would have been executed and their families sent to internal exile with hard labor. Instead, the exonerated W.H. Lee received
PUBLIC apologies from US Federal Judge James Parker and US President Bill Clinton. Then he wrote a book about his ordeal, continues to live in freedom, and called the US the better choice than your China. I doubt we will hear anything from P. Lee about his betrayal of the country that gave him a better life than what he could have had.
So speaking of epic fail in the Wen Ho Lee issue, the fail is entirely yours.
If I say 1+1=2 and you say Wrong...it's 14, then my response can only be "Whatever you say".
Assuming you said 1+1=2 in the first place. Considering how wrong you are about Wen Ho Lee and about the basics of racial/ethnic education, the juvenile 'whatever' will be the best thing you can come up with.
American diplomacy is the kindred spirit of the former British Empire. You can either be a force for good in your country or a willing pawn in the machinations of your government. The choice is your own.
Talk about a lame response when you cannot support your loony conspiratorial mind about the CIA. I bet you are one of those '9/11 Troofers'.
