Chasing the Dragon

[marshall]

My categorization? How convenient.

Ah...No. It is the Chinese Communist Party that called itself 'communist'. May be it should be YOU who should read things more slowly. What is it? Communism with Chinese characteristics? Or is it Chinese socialism with communist characteristics? Or is it Chinese dictatorship with communist characteristics? Hard to keep track of your tap-dancing feet around the issue that the ruling party in China is the one that retain the label 'communist'.

Absolutely, it is "YOUR" categorizations that is the question because the context in which you proclaim your categorizations is always in reference to your larger arguments that the Chinese people and nation are evil in whatever way. Your demonization tactics are the same tactics the American government uses. The Chinese government labels itself as Communist simply as a descriptive label and it is actually an inaccurate but necessary label because there are political and social reasons to do so. This widespread label is gradually being replaced with the word "Socialist" and will eventually be completely replaced with the word "Socialist" which became widespread years ago and is becoming predominant over time. If you understood the background of this, you would understand. You on the other hand use your inaccurate categorizations as part of your litany of arguments to further your anti-Chinese, prejudiced agenda.

 

[gambit]

Absolutely, it is "YOUR" categorizations that is the question because the context in which you proclaim your categorizations is always in reference to your larger arguments that the Chinese people and nation are evil in whatever way. Your demonization tactics are the same tactics the American government uses. The Chinese government labels itself as Communist simply as a descriptive label and it is actually an inaccurate but necessary label because there are political and social reasons to do so. This widespread label is gradually being replaced with the word "Socialist" and will eventually be completely replaced with the word "Socialist" which became widespread years ago and is becoming predominant over time. If you understood the background of this, you would understand. You on the other hand use your inaccurate categorizations as part of your litany of arguments to further your anti-Chinese, prejudiced agenda.

Then why the beef that I call China 'communist'? Even if China will eventually replace 'communist' with 'socialist', from what I have seen of socialism in Europe, it will be laughable to call China 'socialist' since the Europeans allows competing political parties.

 

[marshall]

Even if the Europeans are guilty of such an atrocity, how does that excuse the Chinese racism that we see today?

Your attempt to foist some imaginary Chinese racism along West European historical norms is ridiculous! That sort of racism has only ever existed in West European nations and their colonies. Please do not include this guilt upon all Europeans, it is not their fault that your type wish to spread the guilt around to dilute it.

Considering the homogeneity of the Chinese society and how like the Japanese they are terrified of being contaminated by 'barbarians', may be it is time the other Asian nations around China start keeping watch on the Chinese.

This doesn't even make sense.

Token? The US military Joint Chiefs of Staff are more colorful than your beloved China will ever be.

Really? The last time I was out in LA, Chinatown is doing just fine. The State of Hawaii is filled with Asians of all sorts, including Chinese, perhaps you could show how Hawaii is persecuting Chinese out of racism? And how many Chinese nationals are in US prison?

As I said, "This is the excuse that American security officials are using to justify the indiscriminate surveillance, interrogation and detention of Chinese nationals and Chinese-American citizens for everything from politics to industrial espionage.". It's not my fault the American government is so unsuccessful nabbing the 99.999% of law abiding Chinese. The discrimination and demonization in American media is apparent for all to see. I would hate to be a Muslim in the USA, somebody might pour gasoline on me and try to set me on fire. The whole world is watching...The whole world is watching...The whole world is watching...

 

[Seaman]

Another interesting chart:

from: Comparing India and China: Chasing the dragon | The Economist

Comparing India and China
Chasing the dragon

Oct 3rd 2011, 15:26 by The Economist online

How the Asian superpowers compare on various measures of development

In the recent Singapore Grand Prix, a car belonging to the Force India team reached the finish line just 111 seconds after the leader. Today’s chart uses a stopwatch to compare India’s progress in development against another pace-setter, China. The chart shows the number of years that have elapsed since China passed the development milestones that India has now reached. India’s income per head, for example, was about $3,200 in 2009 (holding purchasing power constant across time and between countries). China reached that level of development nine years ago. The lag in social progress is much longer. A child’s odds of surviving past their fifth birthday are as bad in India today as they were in China in the 1970s. Moreover, the chart does not necessarily imply that India in nine years’ time will be as rich as China is today. That is because China grew faster in the last nine years than India is likely to grow over the next nine. We stopped the clock at $3200 per head. But China did not stop racing ahead.

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its about india and china

 

[marshall]

Then why the beef that I call China 'communist'? Even if China will eventually replace 'communist' with 'socialist', from what I have seen of socialism in Europe, it will be laughable to call China 'socialist' since the Europeans allows competing political parties.

Competing political parties is not what makes a government Socialist!

 

[gambit]

Your attempt to foist some imaginary Chinese racism along West European historical norms is ridiculous! That sort of racism has only ever existed in West European nations and their colonies. Please do not include this guilt upon all Europeans, it is not their fault that your type wish to spread the guilt around to dilute it.

Really...???

Reality TV show exposes racism in China - Telegraph

"I am Chinese," Lou said. "But when I read the comments, I started to question myself. I never questioned myself before. This time I started to think about how I am different from others."
Even though Obama is wildly popular among the Chinese people and the country is rapidly expanding its ties with Africa, commentators said Lou's story exposes deep racism in China, where the ethnic Han are in a vast majority.
"In the same year Americans welcomed Obama into the White House, we can't even accept this girl with a different skin colour?" wrote Hung Huang, a talk show host and magazine publisher often described as "China's Oprah Winfrey".
"We tend to be biased against those who are darker-skinned, while admiring races that are paler than us. It is a deeply rooted evil within us," Hung wrote on her blog.

Or how about in sports...

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/23/sports/basketball/23basketball.html?pagewanted=all

Some Chinese state news media outlets went so far as to call imported players a “malignant tumor.”

It was an Englishman named Wilberforce who shamed the British and the Americans into acknowledging slavery was a great immorality. The US paid a heavy price in the Civil War over that issue. Japan was taught a hard lesson about racism in WW II. China have yet to learn the same and today we see signs of emerging Chinese racism.

As I said, "This is the excuse that American security officials are using to justify the indiscriminate surveillance, interrogation and detention of Chinese nationals and Chinese-American citizens for everything from politics to industrial espionage.". It's not my fault the American government is so unsuccessful nabbing the 99.999% of law abiding Chinese. The discrimination and demonization in American media is apparent for all to see. I would hate to be a Muslim in the USA, somebody might pour gasoline on me and try to set me on fire. The whole world is watching...The whole world is watching...The whole world is watching...

So I see that you utterly failed to support your arguments that Chinese are being persecuted in the US. As for the muslims, CAIR is doing just fine.

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Competing political parties is not what makes a government Socialist!

Neither does a change of label. But at least with competing political parties, the socialist country can safely move away from being a dictatorship.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Then why the beef that I call China 'communist'? Even if China will eventually replace 'communist' with 'socialist', from what I have seen of socialism in Europe, it will be laughable to call China 'socialist' since the Europeans allows competing political parties.

Hahaha the issue is yours.

You simultaneously refer to China as Communist, while refusing that label when it comes to Chinese economic success.

I guess it must really bother you, that the fastest growing major economy in the world is a Communist country. And that your own government has to beg us to continue loaning money to your adopted country.

Hillary Clinton pleads with China to buy US Treasuries - Telegraph

How can a Communist country be the fastest growing major economy? Your own answer: we're not Communist.

I believe this is called cognitive dissonance. Holding two contradictory ideas in your head simultaneously.

 

[marshall]

Really...???

Reality TV show exposes racism in China - Telegraph

Let's see, a girl who never knew about or experienced racism in China until she was 20 years old and exposed to millions of people on TV. Only then did she experience racism...after being exposed to MILLIONS of TV viewers, but never until then and only when she was already 20. I don't know Jeff, what do you think?....Ummm....Marshall I think "EPIC FAIL!"! LOL

Or how about in sports...

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/23/sports/basketball/23basketball.html?pagewanted=all

Did you even read this link? It has absolutely NOTHING to do with racism whatsoever and is all about fixed games, bribing referees and dominant foreign players who were given more playing time and pivotal leadership roles on their teams! I don't know Jeff, what do you think?....Ummm....Marshall I think yet another "EPIC FAIL!"! LOL

Besides this, nobody ever denied there is no racism in the world, it is everywhere in every country. For your enjoyment, here's what I said again, please read slowly...

Your attempt to foist some imaginary Chinese racism along West European historical norms is ridiculous! That sort of racism has only ever existed in West European nations and their colonies.

It was an Englishman named Wilberforce who shamed the British and the Americans into acknowledging slavery was a great immorality. The US paid a heavy price in the Civil War over that issue. Japan was taught a hard lesson about racism in WW II. China have yet to learn the same and today we see signs of emerging Chinese racism.

Interesting that some aristocratic establishment Englishman is given credit for this "enlightenment" after several centuries of blatant barbarism from the same group. We all know what a joke of a society produced Mr. Wilberforce as their redeemer. Afterall, it only took a few hundred years and was followed by another 2 hundred more years of colonization+genocide. Man, you are really a glutton for punishment. Slave traders and genocidal colonialists are on the wrong side of history sir if you did not hear the news. I don't know Jeff, what do you think?....Ummm....Marshall I think we're going for the troika...."EPIC FAIL!"! LOL

I suggest you learn about Chinese history and understand their mindset. Chinese civilization has succeeded over millenia because it was an inclusive, advanced and tolerant civilization similar to the South Asian Buddhist civilizations. Chinese cultural influence spread in this way and gradually absorbed the different cultures of other civilizations in the process. Your use of West European history only applies in their context. Theirs is a uniquely barbarian history that is alien to the rest of the world.

So I see that you utterly failed to support your arguments that Chinese are being persecuted in the US. As for the muslims, CAIR is doing just fine.

There are literally thousands...nay tens of thousands of individual anti-Chinese media stories that has been released on a daily basis for well over 20 years now. Proof? LOL Are you kidding me? Every single person on this forum knows of the bias and demonization campaign waged against the Chinese and Muslim communities in the USA. It's a good thing these groups are mostly law abiding people because if they were not, your government would have the leverage needed to do what they do in places like Abu Ghraib and other fine American institutions.

 

[rcrmj]

Really...???

you are a tipical brainwashed american stereotyping others just based on one isolated incident```

your cluless accusation of Chinese been racist and blindly denying americans are not because we have a 'black' president```boy just by looking at your hosted country's mini 200 years of history how many races had, have been systematically wiped out by your adoption country U.S? and go read through 5000+ Chinese history what races beening wiped out by us?

It was an Englishman named Wilberforce who shamed the British and the Americans into acknowledging slavery was a great immorality, China have yet to learn the same and today we see signs of emerging Chinese racism.

and your ultra lame generalization went to another extreem by using one english gentleman from 18th century to justify your stupidity that West has gained ethnic morality since then``! until now black people still being mistreated by western people, not to mention systematic cleaning of muslims countries by western governments``until today, in your beloved adoption country crimes related to rasicm happening daily``but your delusion rather believes that every races in america are equal````

Neither does a change of label. But at least with competing political parties, the socialist country can safely move away from being a dictatorship.

no matter how many parties involved socialism is socialism, dictatorship is dictatorship```due to your 50-years-old cold war mentality, your 'Mixed stir fried rice' style of arugment in politics are rather antique and entertaininng

 

[gambit]

Let's see, a girl who never knew about or experienced racism in China until she was 20 years old and exposed to millions of people on TV. Only then did she experience racism...after being exposed to MILLIONS of TV viewers, but never until then and only when she was already 20. I don't know Jeff, what do you think?....Ummm....Marshall I think "EPIC FAIL!"! LOL



Did you even read this link? It has absolutely NOTHING to do with racism whatsoever and is all about fixed games, bribing referees and dominant foreign players who were given more playing time and pivotal leadership roles on their teams! I don't know Jeff, what do you think?....Ummm....Marshall I think yet another "EPIC FAIL!"! LOL

Perhaps it is YOU who should slow down and read behind the stories. Chinese racism against blacks are well known, especially reported by American blacks who traveled to China for business. Lou Jing may not have experienced the kind of personal racism we expect from the general idea of racism, but here is what she reported...

Lou said she was not surprised by the judges' decision, but was shocked by the thousands of web postings that followed, most of them negative and many of them expressing racist views.

The Chinese public does not know her the way her friends may know her and when they found out she beat out lighter skin Chinese in a nationwide talent show, their racist claws came out, the same way the Chinese boys here show theirs when they found out their absurd claims about the Chinese military were challenged by an 'inferior' Asian -- a Viet. Same for the basketball story. Foreign players were hired and when it became obvious that Chinese players were no match, the Chinese media showed their racist claws and call the foreign players 'malignant tumors' while the American cheered on Yao Ming in the NBA.

Here is Eric Shinseki's resume => Eric Shinseki - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Show everyone some popular American media op-ed that called Shinseki anything the equivalent of 'malignant tumor' as how some Chinese media have called these foreign players.

Besides this, nobody ever denied there is no racism in the world, it is everywhere in every country. For your enjoyment, here's what I said again, please read slowly...




Interesting that some aristocratic establishment Englishman is given credit for this "enlightenment" after several centuries of blatant barbarism from the same group. We all know what a joke of a society produced Mr. Wilberforce as their redeemer. Afterall, it only took a few hundred years and was followed by another 2 hundred more years of colonization+genocide. Man, you are really a glutton for punishment. Slave traders and genocidal colonialists are on the wrong side of history sir if you did not hear the news. I don't know Jeff, what do you think?....Ummm....Marshall I think we're going for the troika...."EPIC FAIL!"! LOL

I suggest you learn about Chinese history and understand their mindset. Chinese civilization has succeeded over millenia because it was an inclusive, advanced and tolerant civilization similar to the South Asian Buddhist civilizations. Chinese cultural influence spread in this way and gradually absorbed the different cultures of other civilizations in the process. Your use of West European history only applies in their context. Theirs is a uniquely barbarian history that is alien to the rest of the world.

Talk about whitewashing the Chinese version of racial/ethnic based slavery...

History of slavery - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

During the Tang dynasty, Chinese captured Korean civilians from Koguryo, Paekche, and Silla to sell as slaves.

In the 17th century Qing Dynasty, there was a hereditarily servile people called Booi Aha...

The only thing that made the European and American history of race-based slavery standout is because of the willingness to face this sorry aspect of their history while what we see here is the Chinese persistent in trying to hide and whitewash their own version.

There are literally thousands...nay tens of thousands of individual anti-Chinese media stories that has been released on a daily basis for well over 20 years now. Proof? LOL Are you kidding me? Every single person on this forum knows of the bias and demonization campaign waged against the Chinese and Muslim communities in the USA. It's a good thing these groups are mostly law abiding people because if they were not, your government would have the leverage needed to do what they do in places like Abu Ghraib and other fine American institutions.

Your words were '...detention of Chinese nationals and Chinese-American citizens for everything from politics to industrial espionage...'. Can you show everyone how many, who, and over how long were detained? Keep in mind that the State of Hawaii is chock full of Chinese, from Chinese-Americans to Chinese tourists to Chinese businessmen to Chinese governmental officials.

 

[gambit]

Hahaha the issue is yours.

You simultaneously refer to China as Communist, while refusing that label when it comes to Chinese economic success.

I guess it must really bother you, that the fastest growing major economy in the world is a Communist country. And that your own government has to beg us to continue loaning money to your adopted country.

Hillary Clinton pleads with China to buy US Treasuries - Telegraph

How can a Communist country be the fastest growing major economy? Your own answer: we're not Communist.

I believe this is called cognitive dissonance. Holding two contradictory ideas in your head simultaneously.

I followed the Chinese COMMUNIST Party on what to call China. The 'how' of China achieved economic success is a different issue and it is true that it was capitalism, not communist theory of economics, that gave China that success.

 

[JustForFun]

I followed the Chinese COMMUNIST Party on what to call China. The 'how' of China achieved economic success is a different issue and it is true that it was capitalism, not communist theory of economics, that gave China that success.

why don't you follow the North-Koreans and call them democratic?
Because like you said yourself: you look at the characteristics of a subject and call them accordingly to those.

 

[gambit]

why don't you follow the North-Koreans and call them democratic?
Because like you said yourself: you look at the characteristics of a subject and call them accordingly to those.

Because China is closer to communism than NKR is to being democratic. The greater the difference between the label and the traits, the greater the need to call it by those traits. China may have abandoned a great deal of the principles of communism but China is still a political dictatorship whose origins came from communism. So as long as the ruling party of China remain committed to its 'Communist' label while being dictatorial, why bother with anything else?

 

[Huan]

Because China is closer to communism than NKR is to being democratic. The greater the difference between the label and the traits, the greater the need to call it by those traits. China may have abandoned a great deal of the principles of communism but China is still a political dictatorship whose origins came from communism. So as long as the ruling party of China remain committed to its 'Communist' label while being dictatorial, why bother with anything else?

Oh gambit gambit gambit, my fellow American *virtual pat on the back*. Why don't you exposed yourself to some more international media and less on the American mainstream media. It can help broaden your perspective beyond the Western bubble of yours.

 

[VCheng]

Oh gambit gambit gambit, my fellow American *virtual pat on the back*. Why don't you exposed yourself to some more international media and less on the American mainstream media. It can help broaden your perspective beyond the Western bubble of yours.

How about this story?

Thou shalt not vote on TV?

from: Talent shows in China: No voting please, we

Talent shows in China
No voting please, we’re Chinese
The government shuts down a TV show in which viewers vote for the winner

Sep 24th 2011 | BEIJING | from the print edition

Has China returned to the days of central planning? Or is it just stomping on anything that smacks of democracy? The Chinese government’s decision to suspend the airing of “Happy Girl”, a television talent show with hundreds of millions of fans, has whipped up a storm of questions far tougher than any that its dolled-up contestants had to face.

“Happy Girl” had just finished this year’s run when the broadcasting authorities announced that the show would not return next year. Officially, one of its sins was allowing episodes to exceed its 90-minute permitted time-slot. It was also wrong to show them at prime time (the programmes were too racy).

“Happy Girl” is broadcast by a state-owned satellite-television company in the southern province of Hunan, but has a devoted following across the country. Exhibiting the extraordinary gap that has opened between officials and the viewing public, a station spokesman said the broadcaster would replace the show with uplifting programmes such as “practical information about housework”.

The Communist Party’s disdain for shows such as “Happy Girl” has long been clear. The programme’s forerunner, “Super Girl”, upset the authorities by allowing viewers to vote for contestants by sending text messages from their mobile phones. It all smacked too much of democracy.

“Happy Girl” trimmed its sails by restricting voting mainly to a studio audience. But there were other issues that must have annoyed the party as well: the massive audiences drawn by talent shows, compared with the staid programming of the official China Central Television; the unconventional appearance of some of the contestants (this year’s “Happy Girl” winner looked rather boyish); and the participants’ unscripted emotional outbursts.

These are unsettled times for unconventional culture in China. In the south-western city of Chongqing the authorities are waging a campaign to promote old-fashioned “red culture”, such as revolutionary songs. The party is preparing for an annual meeting of its Central Committee next month at which the main item on the agenda will be the promotion of “the great development and great prosperity of socialist culture”. Gripping stuff. Big changes in the party leadership will be announced late next year. Officials do not want anyone to conclude from “Happy Girl” that they should have a choice.

Economic Observer, a Chinese-language newspaper in Beijing, published a commentary on its website suggesting that the question of audience voting could be the party’s main concern about “Happy Girl”. “Some people sigh that if only we could vote in Chinese elections, as we do in ‘Happy Girl’, then we’d lock horns and join the contest…This is the truly sensitive issue.”

That was remarkably frank. Another (English-language) newspaper, Global Times, felt otherwise. The problem, it said, was vote-fixing and fan violence. What “Happy Girl” had displayed was “undemocratic elements that are against democracy”, such as disrespecting rules, organised cheating and special interests that undermine overall fairness. Problems that are alien to the party, of course.

from the print edition | Asia