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In reality this is laughable, as until 2014 even AKP and CHP supported the movement, since they had nothing to do with politics back then. Furthermore, he says i'm a clear threat to Turkey.

Citation needed

 

[Zulkarneyn]

Citation needed

Did kilicdaroglu go to Gülen's castle in Pennyslvania to drink tea?
http://www.haberturk.com/gundem/haber/900839-chpden-cemaat-gorusmesi-aciklamasi

 

[Indus Pakistan]

provokes and insults

As I can't read Turkish I can't comment on the veracity of your claims. However I know that you bring valuable insight about Turkey even as I understand it, it is at variance from the Kemalist viewpoint and is more congruent with AKP and Erdogan.

I also understand that that there is a chasm in Turkish polity between the conservative Anatolian rural hinterland that provided the soldiery for the Ottoman Empire and subseqently the Turkish Republic. The other pole to this is the cosmopolitan, urban Bosphorus/Marmara/Aegean seaboard that has taken greater infusion of Western influences.

Without doubt post 2000 Turkey has gone through a major change. The grip of the urban Kemalists elite has weakened and the Anatolian rural conservatives who are without doubt the majority have been harvested by AKP under Erdogan to reset Turkish moorings. This represents certain amount of structural change from the past and reinterpretation of Kemal Ataturk's legacy and I think in history this is common. Howsoever great a man was as you mobe forward and with benefit of hindsight you will see the flaws. Churchill in UK similarly has been revisted and a more nuanced understanding of his legacy is now the dominant view in British history. To question great figures is not heresy but shows how confident and strong that society is.

Therfore I think @Zulkarneyn you should continue to represent your spectrum of Turkey and this made all the more important if 45% of Turkey voted for AKP thus highlighting that significant minority voted for Erdogan. I don't think it is constructive you using up your energy and talents on the petty issues prevailig here. If you have something to say and that is important please continue to do so. It will help us develop a holistic understanding of a country that is going through difficult but exciting times and no doubt will emerge out of this as a great nation.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

for opening this thread

If you mean this thread, perhaps yes I agree. If you mean this section then I with absolute certitude disagree. This forum is littered with explicit political threads. Example is the link below.

Link > https://defence.pk/threads/some-elements-in-turkish-military-attempt-to-overthrow-government.439567/

Your friend zulkareyn and his ''brother'' selim keep on talking politics here.

Everybody is a friend of a friend here and I can't even count the number of "bro's" on PDF. You might on the other hand be unique in that you somehow don't have any "bro's" or friends at PDF. So your dig at my friendship with Zulk., is noted but not in any way significant for the purposes of this discussion notwithstanding that you are unfriends with everybody here.

This concludes that they dont give a fvck about the rules of this forum.

They may or may not but I notice in this thread (link) below there are members openly calling for a military overthrow of a elected government of the Turkish Republic. Theses members are openly extolling the coup and asking for "AKP bastards to not escape from Turkey". To my eyes that is hell of a worse (possibly a crime in Turkey?) then anything Zulk and company might have done here. My question, did you ask for those who made such comments to be flayed or banned thus establishing your moral compass?

 

[WebMaster]

If you have issues create a thread in GHQ. Thanks!

 

[Zulkarneyn]

If you have issues create a thread in GHQ. Thanks!

Tried that once when he kept banning me for double accoubt and cabatli banned me because i opened a thread there 'behind his back'.

 

[WebMaster]

Tried that once when he kept banning me for double accoubt and cabatli banned me because i opened a thread there 'behind his back'.

Leave this behind and try again if needed.

 

[T-123456]

If you mean this thread, perhaps yes I agree.

It was about this thread.

You might on the other hand be unique in that you somehow don't have any "bro's" or friends at PDF

I have enough bro's and friends on this forum.
Why bring that up,what has this got to do with my earlier post?

They may or may not but I notice in this thread (link) below there are members openly calling for a military overthrow of a elected government of the Turkish Republic. Theses members are openly extolling the coup and asking for "AKP bastards to not escape from Turkey". To my eyes that is hell of a worse (possibly a crime in Turkey?) then anything Zulk and company might have done here. My question, did you ask for those who made such comments to be flayed or banned thus establishing your moral compass?

Those comments came after AKP gangs beat and killed innocent soldiers who just followed orders and had nothing to do with the coup plotters.
Its wise to know whats going on before making a comment.
And as you can see,someone deleted my post.

 

[Islamic faith&Secularism]

Afedersin de sen kimsin beni yorumluyorsun?
Seni 5 ay önce engellemisim, halen aklin bende

In the links below is seen your thoughts about Atatürk, Turkishness, and Fethullah Gülen Cemaat(FETÖ). You clearly insult Atatürk and degrade Turkisness, even you call Turkey opressor and become a PKK terrorist apologist. Finally, you sugar talk about Fethullah Gülen Cemaat(FETO), even insult members who see them as criminals.

However, you act like you never said those things, even you claim to have respect and praised Atatürk, and then sharply challenge/dare others to show if you ever have said those things; but, when shown and proven you said , then you start to make up excuses.

What is questioned here is your personality and honour that you demand to be proven by us (!?), and i just proved by showing what you said in your posts, which you claim never to have said before.

Atatürk:

https://defence.pk/threads/how-islamist-is-the-akp.83103/page-5#post-1323341

https://defence.pk/threads/how-islamist-is-the-akp.83103/page-6#post-1323585

https://defence.pk/threads/thousands-protest-trial-of-turkish-officers.94091/page-2#post-1505421

https://defence.pk/threads/caliphates-last-year-1923-photos-of-istanbul.144181/page-9#post-2489321

https://defence.pk/threads/american...emal-atatuerk-1958.157665/page-4#post-2578836

https://defence.pk/threads/atatuerks-answer-to-mussolinis-ambassador.169247/#post-2763248

Fethullah Gülen Cemaati:

https://defence.pk/threads/tayyip-e...igious-generation.170917/page-15#post-2789339

https://defence.pk/threads/pkk-lead...h-turkish-religious-group.83896/#post-1326483

https://defence.pk/threads/pkk-lead...ish-religious-group.83896/page-2#post-1330289

https://defence.pk/threads/tayyip-e...igious-generation.170917/page-15#post-2789616

https://defence.pk/threads/turkish-military-command-resigns-bn.122503/page-2#post-1983108

https://defence.pk/threads/turkish-military-command-resigns-bn.122503/page-4#post-1986437

https://defence.pk/threads/turkish-military-command-resigns-bn.122503/page-4#post-1987567

https://defence.pk/threads/ouran-an...in-turkish-schools.169132/page-3#post-2761877

Turkishness:

https://defence.pk/threads/grey-wolves-are-awakening-in-iran.142173/page-4#post-2312037

From now on, it is up to the intelligence and honour of other members to regard you as a man with honour and good personality.

P.S: It took 3 minutes to gather those links, and i am sure there are lots of them.

 

[OguzSenturk]

"Do you ever wonder why so many military personnel is jailed. Who are providing the intel? Who took over the police, the universities the political space, the hospitals, the bureaucracy, the Turkish consuls etc etc. You will be surprised about their numbers. And they have only one priority: to raise a youth conscious of their religion"

Oha lan çüşş, bu herif FETÖ teröristinin tekiymiş

 

[Zulkarneyn]

So much toxic kemalism, blatant racism, lies and spinelessness going on here. PDF has truly become a breeding ground for Turkish racist xenophobes. No wonder you don't see folks with a dime of intelligence here.

Let's look at my "insult" towards Turkishness as provided by one users digging into my history:

I am trying to follow this thread, but the vast array of opinions make it unfollow-able. Iran as a sovereign country may supress these movements, which is natural since they are radical nationalists (grey wolves). It is a nationalistic pan-turkish movement which had hands in many controversies everywhere. Since i am against extreme nationalism, i don't support grey wolves at all. They try to show that Turkish nationalism as the highest honor a person can achieve, which is an ugly thing. People should pursue greater visions, not some ultra-nationalistic garbage. We are all human, though our skin color may differ we are all the same.

https://defence.pk/threads/grey-wolves-are-awakening-in-iran.142173/page-4#post-2312037

 

[Selim I]

"Do you ever wonder why so many military personnel is jailed. Who are providing the intel? Who took over the police, the universities the political space, the hospitals, the bureaucracy, the Turkish consuls etc etc. You will be surprised about their numbers. And they have only one priority: to raise a youth conscious of their religion"

Oha lan çüşş, bu herif FETÖ teröristinin tekiymiş

Sacma salak konusmayin. Olayin A-sini B-sini bilmeden olay ile ilgili kitap yazdiniz kendi hayal güclerinizi kullanarak.

Kac kere FETÖ'yu elestirmisiz ona bakin. Ve eger FETÖ'ye karsi 1 tane bile övgü bulabilirseniz 2014'den sonra, ozaman size hak vericem. Ama bu mümkün degil. 2010 da Zulkarneyn bir iki yorum yazmis diye insanlarin gözüne sokuyosunuz. Sizin kemaliniz adamin cayini iciyordu o dönemlerden bile sonra.

Insanlar hem Türkiye'de yasiyor, hem bu kadar zir cahil olabiliyor ya, ayriyeten sasmis haldeyim durumunuza.

 

[Zulkarneyn]

"Do you ever wonder why so many military personnel is jailed. Who are providing the intel? Who took over the police, the universities the political space, the hospitals, the bureaucracy, the Turkish consuls etc etc. You will be surprised about their numbers. And they have only one priority: to raise a youth conscious of their religion"

Oha lan çüşş, bu herif FETÖ teröristinin tekiymiş

Why don't you provide the entire post? Here let me do it for you

Do you ever wonder why so many military personnel is jailed. Who are providing the intel? Who took over the police, the universities the political space, the hospitals, the bureaucracy, the Turkish consuls etc etc. You will be surprised about their numbers. And they have only one priority: to raise a youth conscious of their religion, history etc and who have the best education. You are sleeping

Edit: in other words they have infiltrated every institution that comes to mind.

https://defence.pk/threads/tayyip-e...igious-generation.170917/page-15#post-2789616
And no one had to be a genius to know this was going on in 2012.

 

[-SINAN-]

2014'den sonra

 

[Zulkarneyn]