Brazilian aviation experts recommended J11B /SU27

[praveen007]

According to the Russian military-industrial complex website reported on February 8, Evandro Santana, Pereira, the Brazilian military aviation experts, recently has written that the Brazilian Air Force study is necessary to purchase the feasibility of the Chinese J-11B multi-role fighter.

Evandro Pereira, F-11B is a more advanced fighter, the performance is not inferior to fourth generation fighter in the Western countries. He pointed out that the F-11B born out of the former Soviet Union developed the Su-27, the latter development work began in the 1970s, began in 1985 to equip our troops. Su-27 is mainly used to deal with the U.S. F-15, the earlier models used to dominating the air.
after a long and complex development process, the Su-27 grown into one of the world’s most outstanding performance fighter, successfully broke into the multinational market. At present, the Su-27 has been derived for a large family of multi-role fighter and fighter-bombers. In this development process, the Su-27 in the Chinese market has also made a great success.

The article said that China in 1990 to buy dozens of single-seater and two-seat Su-27, and later purchased by the development of a multi-purpose version – Su-30MKK and Su-30MK2. Six years later, China began license production of Su-27 to start negotiations with Russia. China and Russia finally signed the agreement, the Shenyang Aircraft Corporation will use the Russian parts production in the period 1998-2004 about 100 Su-27. However, China and later terminated the contract and began independent production of domestic version of the Su-27, F-11B. At present, the localization rate of the F-11B has reached 100%. Of course, China’s behavior caused the dissatisfaction of the Russian and the latter accused of violating intellectual property rights.

The article said that the F-11B’s development work began in the beginning of this century, from 2008 equipped with the Chinese Air Force in 2010 to achieve complete localization.

Evandro Pereira final appeal in its article, the Pakistani government should study the feasibility of its air force F-11B. (Compass) ★
Brazilian aviation experts recommended that the military procurement Chinese F-11B aircraft (Figure) | Chinese Military

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Really??
Then why this news from Brazil
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BRASILIA - After so many comings and goings, the government is finally hitting the hammer in favor of the Rafale, the French Dassault, to renew its fleet of FAB. The notice must be in the first half, but only after May 6, when the second round of presidential elections in France.
The final push was India's decision to buy 126 Rafale, Dassault taking the choke. It is the first international order your jet, so far restricted itself to the French Air Force (sic). With production scale, the price of the planes also tends to fall in business with Brazil, emptying one of the major constraints to them: the cost of the product and especially maintenance.
Following the announcement of the deal with the French Indians, Celso Amorim (Defense) was coincidentally in India, in a statement citing the victory of Dassault and noting that 108 of 126 fighters "will be built in the country [India], with technology transfer ". The term "technology transfer" is a mantra dragged FX-2 program, the purchase of aircraft.
Lula was with pen in hand twice to sign the contract with the French. At first, fell after the embarrassment of announcing the option before the completion of the technical report of the FAB.
At second, when the sheet of report published the result with the Swedish Gripen first, the F-18 in U.S. Rafale second and third and last.
By assuming, Dilma used good argument for cutting the budget study business. The victory of the Gripen in FAB has been considered and the F-18 returned to the wheel. But during one year, crystallized two certainties in government: 1) the Gripen is just a project and Sweden has zero political weight, 2) it is impossible to trust the promise of technology transfer from the U.S., subject to the mood of Congress and alternation
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Everything indicates that the Rafale coming.

 

[Tshering22]

^^ Still it dosn't change the fact that they are more impressed by J11B than SU.

Why? It is still a recommendation. What makes you think that Su-35BM is less capable? It is the most advanced jet of its type. China has the J-11B for its own air force.

If you're saying that someone who makes it for oneself is better than the creator, you clearly don't know how aerospace industry works.

 

[below_freezing]

Why? It is still a recommendation. What makes you think that Su-35BM is less capable? It is the most advanced jet of its type. China has the J-11B for its own air force.

If you're saying that someone who makes it for oneself is better than the creator, you clearly don't know how aerospace industry works.

Nope that's almost always the case. During reverse engineering you will find all sorts of flaws the original designer never had in mind, as well as the original design itself.

 

[Akasa]

Why on the earth will they buy duplicate, when original is easy available from Russia.

It's about as much of a duplicate as the Su-35S is.

 

[Akasa]

Ya ya...... doesn't matter, who the owner is. Just copy it, rename it & sell it.

If the J-11B is a copy due to its appearance, then so is the Su-35S just about every other Flanker variant. The J-11B uses a completely different set of technologies than the Flanker and uses modern upgrades.

"The differences between the J-11B, Su-27SK and Su-27SMK are sufficiently great that this must be considered a unique offshoot of the Flanker family of fighters, not a subtype of the baseline Su-27SK/J-11A."

- Carlo Kopp

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So wat....?After all Its MADE IN CHINA...Hope you got my point....:p

Therefore is improved and works better than most other aircraft of its type. I got your point.

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Definetly MKI will kill JFT II (thanks to Covert class low RCS) in BVR combat. Lol

With a large RCS, lack of composites, lack of radar absorbent material, how will the MKI hold the upper hand in BVR?

 

[Birbal]

destroyer class RCS??

I think he doesn't know just how big the RCS of a destroyer (even a stealthy one) is.

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]With a large RCS, lack of composites, lack of radar absorbent material, how will the MKI hold the upper hand in BVR?

By your reasoning the B-2 bomber would defeat the MKI in BVR.

 

[Akasa]

By your reasoning the B-2 bomber would defeat the MKI in BVR.

If it loads a2a missiles, yes

 

[Rajaraja Chola]

If the J-11B is a copy due to its appearance, then so is the Su-35S just about every other Flanker variant. The J-11B uses a completely different set of technologies than the Flanker and uses modern upgrades.

"The differences between the J-11B, Su-27SK and Su-27SMK are sufficiently great that this must be considered a unique offshoot of the Flanker family of fighters, not a subtype of the baseline Su-27SK/J-11A."

- Carlo Kopp

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Therefore is improved and works better than most other aircraft of its type. I got your point.

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With a large RCS, lack of composites, lack of radar absorbent material, how will the MKI hold the upper hand in BVR?

By ur assertion even the TEJAS mk1(its a good platform ofcourse) will kill JFT 2 and even J11 B because, Tejas have extremely low RCS, fully made up of composites and have visible stealth because of its smaller size !!!
And MKI is not exactly made up of iron u see !!!
The MKI built under liscence in india have now employed a lot of composites in it(with permission of russia ofcourse) !!

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

By ur assertion even the TEJAS mk1(its a good platform ofcourse) will kill JFT 2 and even J11 B because, Tejas have extremely low RCS, fully made up of composites and have visible stealth because of its smaller size !!!
And MKI is not exactly made up of iron u see !!!
The MKI built under liscence in india have now employed a lot of composites in it(with permission of russia ofcourse) !!

Compare an aircraft under development to a mature operational aircraft of many years is quite laughable.

 

[Rajaraja Chola]

Compare an aircraft under development to a mature operational aircraft of many years is quite laughable.

U r forgettting that J 11B have not reached operational maturity !!
They have been inducted ,yes, but it will take a few years for fying mastery over the aircrafts!!
The same applies to tejas too !!
And chinese members pls don talk about JF 17 cos u guys are refusing to use it !!

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

U r forgettting that J 11B have not reached operational maturity !!
They have been inducted ,yes, but it will take a few years for fying mastery over the aircrafts!!
The same applies to tejas too !!
And chinese members pls don talk about JF 17 cos u guys are refusing to use it !!

It has been deployed several squadrons or more than 100 units, you call this is not mature?

Then how about the F-22? It also have less than 200 units.

 

[The enlightened]

Compare an aircraft under development to a mature operational aircraft of many years is quite laughable.

Why isn't it laughable then, when you compare your JF17 blk-II to our MKI.

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If the J-11B is a copy due to its appearance, then so is the Su-35S just about every other Flanker variant. The J-11B uses a completely different set of technologies than the Flanker and uses modern upgrades.

What makes you say that it's a copy.
It's a further development by it's manufacturer who owns it's IPR's 100%.
Not a cheap ripoff of an old system of the 90's.

 

[Ammyy]

Why isn't it laughable then, when you compare your JF17 blk-II to our MKI.

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Dnt you know jf17 block 2 will be better then their own mighty J20

 

[Zabaniyah]

U r forgettting that J 11B have not reached operational maturity !!
They have been inducted ,yes, but it will take a few years for fying mastery over the aircrafts!!
The same applies to tejas too !!
And chinese members pls don talk about JF 17 cos u guys are refusing to use it !!

And I suppose you made that up?

The FC-1 is still under evaluation by the PLAAF. Evaluation does not mean they are going to reject it.

 

[Ammyy]

And I suppose you made that up?

The FC-1 is still under evaluation by the PLAAF. Evaluation does not mean they are going to reject it.

dil bahlane ko ye khayal achcha hai galib lol