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87 OCT 8, 2014 1:35 PM EDT
By The Editors

In blocking the resupply of the Kurdish fighters who are trying desperately to hold off a siege by Islamic State in Kobani, Syria, Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan is making a decision that may haunt Turkey for years to come.

This is not just about Turkey's failure to join the U.S.-led coalition against Islamic State. It also threatens Turkey's fragile truce with its Kurdish minority, many of whom are growing impatient with the sight of Turkish soldiers watching, from their side of the border, as Islamic State attacks Kobani.

On Tuesday, Kurdish protests across Turkey led to clashes with police, Turkish nationalists and supporters of Islamic State -- killingas many as 15 people. In response, the Turkish military imposed curfews reminiscent of the bad old decades after 1984, when Turkey battled insurgents from the Kurdish Workers' Party, or PKK. Their year-old cease-fire is now in jeopardy.

When pressed to say why Turkey wasn't helping the PKK-affiliated fighters in Kobani, Erdogan said: "For us, the PKK is the same as ISIL. It is wrong to consider them as different from each other."

To begin with, this statement is simply untrue. While the PKK has carried out terrorist attacks in Turkey, it has never beheaded captives, engaged in genocide against civilians of different creeds or systematically raped women. The PKK doesn't want to create a caliphate across the Middle East and convert or kill all non-Kurds within it. What the PKK wants most is greater political autonomy for Kurds in eastern Turkey -- a negotiable demand.

Even if it worked to Erdogan's political advantage by tapping into Turkish nationalist sentiment, a return to war with the PKK would be destructive -- to the country and the wider region. Refusing to letKurds resupply their kin through Turkish territory also makes Erdogan appear complicit in the rise of Islamic State.

Nevertheless, he is taking as tough a position with the U.S. as he is with Syria's Kurds, refusing to join the military coalition against Islamic State until the U.S. agrees to broaden its goals to include toppling Syrian President Bashar al-Assad. He also wants the coalition to enforce a no-fly zone and a (Turkish-dominated) buffer area in northern Syria from which to organize the attack on Assad.

This strategy would provide capable ground troops to follow up on the U.S. coalition's airstrikes -- so it is worth discussion. But negotiations should take place after Turkey joins the coalition. By essentially holding the coalition ransom to his demands, Erdogan is making its Arab members vulnerable to criticism at home. Bahrain, Qatar, Jordan, Saudi Arabia and United Arab Emirates also want to see Assad gone, after all. But they have accepted the "Islamic State first" approach, and at some domestic political risk.

Ultimately, Erdogan's stance will also strain Turkey's most important security alliances, which are with the U.S. and NATO. Turkey is denying its allies use of the U.S. airbase at Incirlik, just 100 miles from the Syrian border.

The fall of Kobani will not, as many say, prove that airstrikes against Islamic State can't work -- only that they can't work without Turkish cooperation. Kobani's defenders have been remarkably effective against a much larger and better armed opponent, and with access to arms and reinforcements, there is every reason to believe they could succeed.
 
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So because the pkk dont 'beheaded captives, engaged in genocide against civilians of different creeds or systematically raped women' they are good to go?

What a stupid morons outside.
 
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87 OCT 8, 2014 1:35 PM EDT
By The Editors

In blocking the resupply of the Kurdish fighters who are trying desperately to hold off a siege by Islamic State in Kobani, Syria, Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan is making a decision that may haunt Turkey for years to come.

This is not just about Turkey's failure to join the U.S.-led coalition against Islamic State. It also threatens Turkey's fragile truce with its Kurdish minority, many of whom are growing impatient with the sight of Turkish soldiers watching, from their side of the border, as Islamic State attacks Kobani.

On Tuesday, Kurdish protests across Turkey led to clashes with police, Turkish nationalists and supporters of Islamic State -- killingas many as 15 people. In response, the Turkish military imposed curfews reminiscent of the bad old decades after 1984, when Turkey battled insurgents from the Kurdish Workers' Party, or PKK. Their year-old cease-fire is now in jeopardy.

When pressed to say why Turkey wasn't helping the PKK-affiliated fighters in Kobani, Erdogan said: "For us, the PKK is the same as ISIL. It is wrong to consider them as different from each other."

To begin with, this statement is simply untrue. While the PKK has carried out terrorist attacks in Turkey, it has never beheaded captives, engaged in genocide against civilians of different creeds or systematically raped women. The PKK doesn't want to create a caliphate across the Middle East and convert or kill all non-Kurds within it. What the PKK wants most is greater political autonomy for Kurds in eastern Turkey -- a negotiable demand.

Even if it worked to Erdogan's political advantage by tapping into Turkish nationalist sentiment, a return to war with the PKK would be destructive -- to the country and the wider region. Refusing to letKurds resupply their kin through Turkish territory also makes Erdogan appear complicit in the rise of Islamic State.

Nevertheless, he is taking as tough a position with the U.S. as he is with Syria's Kurds, refusing to join the military coalition against Islamic State until the U.S. agrees to broaden its goals to include toppling Syrian President Bashar al-Assad. He also wants the coalition to enforce a no-fly zone and a (Turkish-dominated) buffer area in northern Syria from which to organize the attack on Assad.

This strategy would provide capable ground troops to follow up on the U.S. coalition's airstrikes -- so it is worth discussion. But negotiations should take place after Turkey joins the coalition. By essentially holding the coalition ransom to his demands, Erdogan is making its Arab members vulnerable to criticism at home. Bahrain, Qatar, Jordan, Saudi Arabia and United Arab Emirates also want to see Assad gone, after all. But they have accepted the "Islamic State first" approach, and at some domestic political risk.

Ultimately, Erdogan's stance will also strain Turkey's most important security alliances, which are with the U.S. and NATO. Turkey is denying its allies use of the U.S. airbase at Incirlik, just 100 miles from the Syrian border.

The fall of Kobani will not, as many say, prove that airstrikes against Islamic State can't work -- only that they can't work without Turkish cooperation. Kobani's defenders have been remarkably effective against a much larger and better armed opponent, and with access to arms and reinforcements, there is every reason to believe they could succeed.
Since when they were turkeys responsibility they are the same pkk who caused terrorism in turkey
Now they want help from them
 
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ONLY KURDISH PYD FIGHTERS LEFT IN KOBANI

ANKARA — A spokesman for Turkey's ruling Justice and Devlopment (AK) Party has stated that, except for Kurdish fighters and ISIS militants, the border town of Kobani (Ayn al-Arab) was essentially empty.

"Currently there is no one left in Kobani except the Kurdish PYD militants. Everyone else in Kobani has come to Turkey," said deputy chairman of AK Party Besir Atalay on Friday. The PYD is the Syrian affiliate of the outlawed PKK.

Nearly 200,000 Syrians of Kurdish origin have fled from the city of Kobani to neighboring Turkey over the last two weeks ISIS has incessantly attacked the town.

Atalay also proceeded to blame certain political parties for urging citizens to go out into the streets, in reference to the nationwide protests in Turkey, in which at least 31 people have died.

The pro-Kurdish Peoples' Democratic Party, or HDP, had issued a statement on Tuesday urging citizens to "go out into the streets" saying: "From now on, Kobani is everywhere." The protesters demanded the use of Turkish military force against ISIS in Kobani.

For the past year, the Turkish government has been making efforts towards what is domestically known as the ?solution process' to end a decades-old conflict between the state and the outlawed Kurdish separatist PKK.

"Both the hands that pulled the trigger and masterminding the attack will be poundered," added Turkish Deputy Prime Minister Numan Kurtulmus in reference to the deaths on Thursday night of two police officers during clashes with pro-Kurdish groups.

One police chief and another police officer were shot dead, late Thursday, in the eastern province of Bingol, while they were investigating property damage from the recent fatal protests.

"Whoever behind this heinous attack, whoever its perpetrators, and whichever dark groups they are must well know that Turkey will never fall into traps made by the dark and bloody hands of terrorism," he said at Tetova State University during a visit to the city of Tetova in Macedonia.

Only Kurdish PYD fighters left in Kobani, AK Party spokesman Atalay says | Politics | Daily Sabah
 
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Since when they were turkeys responsibility they are the same pkk who caused terrorism in turkey
Now they want help from them
That the least a country can do...Beside 18% of the Turkish population is kurds. How does this frange of Turks are going to react if Kobane falls and kurds with whom the majority are related , get massacred by ISIS like they have done with the Shias, the yazidis, the westerners...
 
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UNLIKE IN TURKEY, PRO-PKK PEACEFULLY PROTESTS OVER KOBANI IN GERMANY

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ISTANBUL — More than 20,000 Kurdish residents in Germany have protested against ISIS on Saturday. Police said the demonstration in the western German city of Duesseldorf was peaceful with people marching through the city's downtown area and waving large Kurdish flags.

The protesters are seeking to draw attention to the ISIS' onslaught against the Kurdish town of Kobani in northern Syria. Several similar Kurdish-led demonstrations have taken place across Germany, and much of Europe, in recent days as the siege of Kobani rolls on.

Meanwhile in Turkey the recent pro-Kurdish protests were not so peaceful, causing the street violence and the deaths of at least 33 people across the country after the pro-Kurdish party HDP called its supporters to take on the streets to protest the against self-proclaimed Islamic State of Iraq and al-Sham (ISIS) attacks and lack of international support for in the Kurdish-populated Syrian town of Kobani.


Unlike in Turkey, pro-PKK peacefully protests over Kobani in Germany | Europe | Daily Sabah

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@Ceylal

The PKK's political wing in Turkey the HDP voted against Turkish troops going to syria. The PKK said that it would fight Turkish troops if they entered Kobani. So why should Turkey help people that are threating to fight against Turkey? Also the PYD is the samething as the PKK. They see Abdullah Ocalan as their leader just like the PKK does.
 
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One way the Kurdish PM acted hostile to Turkey for decades. Now you expect them to provide everything that can be used to counter later... I mean... IS was made by CIA. Now who is fighting who? You guys expect something without knowing/understanding history.

I do not want to interfere in their issues. I trust them to solve it better then what we can tell them to do.

BTW, Turkey accepts the Israeli state. How pathetic is that we do not accept them? Shouldn't we follow 99% of the world? Or will ignoring Israel really make some changes? No... Pretty logical to me.
 
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It could be another way than helping the PKK or YPD.
Turkey could have intiated a kurd resistance with their military help/assistance ... so in the same time that they decrease the rule of PKK the world and the kurds especially would like it

doing nothing and let the IS be strong there is a terrible stupid strategic choice
 
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nice, good to see Turkey stand up for it's own national interests before the US's

even nicer to see a few cracks in NATO 8-)
 
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It could be another way than helping the PKK or YPD.
Turkey could have intiated a kurd resistance with their military help/assistance ... so in the same time that they decrease the rule of PKK the world and the kurds especially would like it

doing nothing and let the IS be strong there is a terrible stupid strategic choice

I do not think that they can change much now. You know that heroin in Afghanistan was created by CIA to pay for weapon transfers? You probably know that everyone wants to stop heroin but never will? Same in Latin Amerika and Far east Asia... If you plant evil you get evil. Pretty much impossible to stop it. Same goes for IS. It is evil so let us wait and let the ones that created it do their job.
 
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It could be another way than helping the PKK or YPD.
Turkey could have intiated a kurd resistance with their military help/assistance ... so in the same time that they decrease the rule of PKK the world and the kurds especially would like it

doing nothing and let the IS be strong there is a terrible stupid strategic choice

So regional powers and the world should only act when Kurds are victims of ISIS? What about all the Syrians that had suffered not only from ISIS but even more so the Al-Assad terror regime? Was staying silent in Syria for 3 years while the Al-Assad terror regime mass-murdered, gassed, mass-raped, mass-carpet bombed whole villages, cities and towns not a "terribly stupid strategy"?

I am sick and tired of the nonsense and noise the selfish and stateless Kurds are doing all over thinking they are something special and entitled to something other regional people never got.

The only people that are left in Ayn Al Arab are YPG/PKK and ISIS. Why the hell should Turkey help them? The same group that have killed thousands of Turks?

This is idiotic strategy if anything.

Those that will pay are the supporters of the Al-Assad terror regime and they know who they are (Iran, Russia etc.), Mr. Bloomberg.
 
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U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry says Islamic State militants are not going to be left “unchecked” to spread destruction across the Mideast region. Kerry discussed U.S. coalition-building efforts to fight the militant group and other issues in an interview with VOA's Afghan Service.

Kerry says there will be setbacks that could allow the Islamic State to make temporary gains in Syria and Iraq, as the U.S. continues building an international coalition to fight the militant group.

“There will be disappointments in the course of that, as we are witnessing in Kobani [Syria], and in other places - in Anbar [Iraq] and elsewhere because it is just ramping up. It is just getting going," he said.

But Kerry said he believes the U.S. and its allies will eventually prevail.

“In the end, ISIL will recognize that the power of justice and law, and rule of law and civility is much more powerful than their hatred and their atrocities," he said.

Kerry also discussed Turkey's role in the crisis, in particular, criticism that Turkey has been slow to provide assistance to efforts to fight the militants - some of them right across its border in neighboring Syria.

“Turkey is participating, and Turkey will be helping in certain ways. But, it is clear that different parties don't want Turkey on the ground in Kobane, ranging from Kurds themselves to Iraqis to Syrians and so forth," he said.

In the interview, Kerry also praised Pakistani education activist Malala Yousafzai and Indian children right's campaigner Kailash Satyarthi, this year's Nobel Peace Prize recipients.

“I think the two of them together represent an incredibly appropriate statement about the importance of women and children," he said.

He added that when it comes to women's rights, no country can “maximize its potential” if it pushes half of its population to the sidelines.

Kerry: US Coalition Effort Gaining Momentum

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İ say problem solved.
They happy, we happy :)
 
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So regional powers and the world should only act when Kurds are victims of ISIS? What about all the Syrians that had suffered not only from ISIS but even more so the Al-Assad terror regime? Was staying silent in Syria for 3 years while the Al-Assad terror regime mass-murdered, gassed, mass-raped, mass-carpet bombed whole villages, cities and towns not a "terribly stupid strategy"?
you forget Iraq before them. Iraqis are victims far befdore the Syrians.. it doesn't mean we should either ignore the suffering of one or another.
I am sick and tired of the nonsense and noise the selfish and stateless Kurds are doing all over thinking they are something special and entitled to something other regional people never got.

The only people that are left in Ayn Al Arab are YPG/PKK and ISIS. Why the hell should Turkey help them? The same group that have killed thousands of Turks?
that's why it would have been a great strategy to help new kurd groups with turk military assistance:
- to weaken pkk
- to avoid is in north
- kurds and world would much more appreciate it

Those that will pay are the supporters of the Al-Assad terror regime and they know who they are (Iran, Russia etc.).
sure
like gulf states supported terrorism in Iraq
lot of countries are to blame. our two countries are the world champions of terrorism.
 
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It could be another way than helping the PKK or YPD.
Turkey could have intiated a kurd resistance with their military help/assistance ... so in the same time that they decrease the rule of PKK the world and the kurds especially would like it

doing nothing and let the IS be strong there is a terrible stupid strategic choice

Kurds can go to Qamishli while PYD still controls the area. Take an AK-47 and some magazine, then head to the front. What's keeping them to do so?
 
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