Black Magic and Islam

[JonAsad]

Why are you so angry?
Why does the thought of people not agreeing with you make you so mad?
Your denial of Science does not make me angry, we are just having a fun conversation.

You know, being angry at others does not make you right, right?

Let's reset.
There is no evidence in my life that makes me think ghosts are real.
If they were why are we not using them to our advantage?

You are talking about science while you cannot even grasp basic human reactions which in my case is not anger at all and have faith in that since i can't come up with a scientific proof of that. {insert smiley face}.
Help me understand why a scientific genius like you thinks that humans should use ghost to our advantage.. Do you suggest sending them to space or something?
Just incase you didn't know your personal experience doesn't negate or validate a phenomenon or a theory..

 

[Rusty]

Really it's a revelation for me please study
The limitations of inductive inquiry and also can science deal with why questions does science give you absolute facts or just (best approximations in State of knowledge which can change with time) and i am not talking about observations e.g the earth is round its an observation is psychology an exact science can it show you how i feel when (i) eat ice cream exactly don't take it seriously bro it's just chit chat.

Man, you would be really good at writing riddles.

And yes, the field of psychology and neuroscience are there to answer those kinds of questions.

For example, I LOVE ice cream and from neuroscience I known that I love it because my brain releases a chemical called dopamine that triggers pleasure in my brain

You are talking about science while you cannot even grasp basic human reactions which in my case is not anger at all and have faith in that since i can't come up with a scientific proof of that. {insert smiley face}.
Help me understand why a scientific genius like you thinks that humans should use ghost to our advantage.. Do you suggest sending them to space or something?
Just incase you didn't know your personal experience doesn't negate or validate a phenomenon or a theory..

I say you are angry because you are calling me names, doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out.

Okay so what is the theory of ghosts? Please enlighten me.

And millions of people in Pakistan are literally living in sewage, your telling me we can't use these ghosts to help somehow?

 

[JonAsad]

I say you are angry because you are calling me names, doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out.

Okay so what is the theory of ghosts? Please enlighten me.

And millions of people in Pakistan are literally living in sewage, your telling me we can't use these ghosts to help somehow?

Calling you names? When? Where?
Must be the closet insecurities coming out over a post that went above you r head.. These sciency guys are sometimes so touchy and so declarey like suddenly declaring me not believing in science at all since i disagreed on something you said.
Any ho
A lot of scientific discoveries didn't have a lot of use when they were discovered other than the knowledge of it.. You reject black magic and ghosts since science is yet to discover these things. Don't get left behind when science do.
And i am sure later science will find a way to use ghosts to lift people of Pakistan out of poverty and slums.. Electricity.. Like every household in Pakistan have it..

Sometimes I don't understand Analogies or its the people making them. Maybe both

 

[Fawadqasim1]

Man, you would be really good at writing riddles.

And yes, the field of psychology and neuroscience are there to answer those kinds of questions.

For example, I LOVE ice cream and from neuroscience I known that I love it because my brain releases a chemical called dopamine that triggers pleasure in my brain

please try to grasp and understand the concept of qualia can firing of neurons and production of various chemicals explain consciousness self consciousness intelligence subjective qualia appreciation is brain generator of all of these phenomena or just a receptor like a radio set or a television has science answered the above mentioned questions and if it has are those answers based on empirical data
isn't there a cacophony in scientific circles on the above mentioned problems?

 

[Ghazwa-e-Hind]

Everyone knows that Black magic exists. Those who deny are either mentally handicapped or they perform it.

It is a satanic practice, anyone who practices it is out of Islam, cannot be muslim. It is shirk, the greatest sin

 

[Fawadqasim1]

Everyone knows that Black magic exists. Those who deny are either mentally handicapped or they perform it.

It is a satanic practice, anyone who practices it is out of Islam, cannot be muslim. It is shirk, the greatest sin

Absolutely

 

[Savak]

Just to give everyone context. My mom has multiple system atrophy and its progressing fast. It is a very rare disease and there is no available cure for it yet.

She isn't critical yet but it you read about it it is very scary and typically people who get diagnosed don't survive beyond 5 years

 

[Fawadqasim1]

Just to give everyone context. My mom has multiple system atrophy and its progressing fast. It is a very rare disease and there is no available cure for it yet.

She isn't critical yet but it you read about it it is very scary and typically people who get diagnosed don't survive beyond 5 years

May Allah give her a long and happy life far far longer than predicted.

 

[JonAsad]

Just to give everyone context. My mom has multiple system atrophy and its progressing fast. It is a very rare disease and there is no available cure for it yet.

She isn't critical yet but it you read about it it is very scary and typically people who get diagnosed don't survive beyond 5 years

May Allah cure her disease and recover her completely.. Ameen.

 

[M.Bison]

Just to give everyone context. My mom has multiple system atrophy and its progressing fast. It is a very rare disease and there is no available cure for it yet.

She isn't critical yet but it you read about it it is very scary and typically people who get diagnosed don't survive beyond 5 years

Hey, did you watch the video about Surah Al rehman? Give it a try brother, you can use your mobile phone and some headset.

 

[War Thunder]

Does anyone know the best religious scholars or the most Islamic list of steps to take when you suspect a loved one's rapidly progressing illness is because of black magic? What are the list of steps you can take to do away with the black magic?

Assess symptoms of magic, you can find many details about that on the internet and you don;t only have to restrict yourself to Muslim scholars on that as most of them are not well experienced in the matter.
Assess what kind of magic you might be dealing with, not all magic is black nor can all of it do great harm.

Recite Quran often, keep your home and body and that of the affected person clean as per Islamic code. Make them pray 5 times on time, and recite the three Surahs, Surah Ikhlas, Surah Nas, and Surah Falaq more often and specially at the start and end of the day.
Recite Ayat al Qursi as well, and remember this might also be due to the evil eye.

Then you can also look up the ways of doing Ruqyah, and how to combat the affects of magic.

i'm no expert but I have researched and studied a great deal on Wiccans and spell casting back in my early days out of curiosity, and a great deal of research on types of Magic.
So I'm not saying I can definitely help here, but if you need and can explain details, I might be able to put you in the right direction.


And remember above all, no thing can ever befall anyone except what Allah permits. He is the master of all that is. So pray to Him and improve your relationship with Him and He will guide you towards what needs to be done.

Som

There is nothing called shirk.

To claim gods beside The Almighty Creator of everything, is called shirk in Arabic and is not related to the English word shirk.
If you are a Hindu, you might not understand, and yet Islamic way does not depend on your understanding or lack of it.

And to involve oneself in shirk is to dive into filth and surround ones' soul with filth and this crime is unlike any other as the crime is being done toward The Creator Himself. So its punishment is also severe.

 

[Sabretooth]

Does anyone know the best religious scholars or the most Islamic list of steps to take when you suspect a loved one's rapidly progressing illness is because of black magic? What are the list of steps you can take to do away with the black magic?

I agree with most posters that the recitation of Surah Falak, Naas & Ayat ul Kusri are an effective deterrent against black magic but in some cases, the curse is too strong and you have to find the source (dolls, knotted ropes, padlocks, animal bones, talismans etc.) and clear out all said rubbish to ease the trouble of victim.

 

[The SC]

Black or white magic will affect you only if you believe in it..otherwise it has no effect.. it basically psychological:

Islam considers magic to be an act of blasphemy. Thus, the Holy Quran say:

"Suleiman (Solomon) did not disbelieve, but the devils disbelieved teaching men magic" (2:102)​

In an authentic saying, the Prophet of Islam p.b.u.h. said: Whoever goes to a fortune teller (a soothe sayer) or a diviner and believes him, has, in fact, disbelieved in what has been revealed to Muhammad.

https://www.islamawareness.net/BlackMagic/magic.html

 

[War Thunder]

Not aware, but does islam call all non muslims and hindus specifically as having souls surrounded by filth. If do isn't it a hit harsh as the dharmic religions like Hinduism, buddhism have millions of great men in their midst .

Nope.
Being ignorant, and involved in Shirq is different. One is involved in filth and surrounded by darkness but God has a way of guiding souls that deserve guidance and sooner or later they find their path. Hence, every one needs to be allowed to exist and practice their beliefs with respect. We are not allowed to even think low of anyone, and to appreciate the goodness in them. To be unable to see goodness in our opponents is described as a horrible disease in Islam.
And just like The Creator can guide them tomorrow, so can He lead us astray and let us get involved in filth, if we become arrogant and think of ourselves as superior or better.

It was narrated from ‘Abd-Allaah ibn Mas’ood that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “No one who has an atom’s-weight of arrogance in his heart will enter Paradise.” A man said, “O Messenger of Allah, what if a man likes his clothes and his shoes to look good?” He said, “Allah is Beautiful and loves beauty. Arrogance means rejecting the truth and looking down on people.”
Narrated by Muslim, 91.


But being knowledgeable and then choosing the path of shirk is a curse above all curses. It's like you are throwing yourself in the lap of the Master Deceiver and trading your here after for this temporary life of the Dunya. (Dunya has a negative connotation in Islam and it means "lowest of the low".
It's a temporary residence, only to test us, but there are many who choose it to be their everything and attach themselves to the filthy aspects of it, instead of rising above them and evolving themselves into better ones.

091:007-10
"And a soul and Him Who perfected / proportioned it. And inspired it (with conscience of) what is wrong for it and (what is) right for it. He is indeed successful who causes it to grow (purifies it), and he is indeed a failure who corrupts it (buries it)"

005:104
"And when it is said to them: "Come to what has been revealed by God and to the Messenger": They say: "Sufficient for us are the ways we found our fathers following." What! even though their fathers were void of knowledge and guidance?"

 

[War Thunder]

It's not a question of being knowledgeable or not. It's a question of accepting. I am sure the great men of india or great Chinese were aware of islam and what it tried to say but did not accept the message. Similarly if I try to convince a Muslim about hinduism and he does not accept, I dont say he is ignorant, right?
My question is if someone a hindu does not accept islam after being preached but is true to his own faith. Is that shirk.

Yes, such a person will be involved in Shirk, that is open defiance to the Creator, and if he dies in such a state, then his destination is no other but hell.
At the same time, we do not look down at that person regardless and we hope, pray and try for his guidance till his last breath.
To hope and to try to enlighten others where possible is the Muslim way, to hate some one or look down upon them is not.

And you said ...seeing goodness ion opponents... do muslims consider non muslims as opponents. Because in india hindus dont see others as opponents but just different. So there is no question of better or worse . That tolerance is changing unfortunately, but its political reactiom not inherent

By opponent I meant people we hate. We are not supposed to ignore the goodness even in people we hate or fight against, let alone people who are of other race or religion.
We look at every one as a person who is being nourished and provided by the Creator, and if the Creator provides for them, then who are we to think ill of them?
Our job is to hope for their guidance, not by continuous preaching, but by adopting the best of manners, character, morals and kindness and friendliness with them, to inspire them with our way.
The problem is Muslims today, are hardly anywhere close to be some one you can judge Islam from or anyone can get inspired by their manners and behavior. 90% of them are probably unworthy of being called Muslims.


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