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'Black Flag of Jihad will Fly over London': Alarm over UK-born Iraq Fighters' Threat

UK seriously needs to see who they let in...plz take only educated people who will actually contribute to the economy..not medieval beardos and crazy somalis who will live off welfare and spread fanaticism.
 
Terrorists are certainly a tool for the West against us, but all this started because their random invasions of Muslim countries to destroy them, this is just a backlash. Nobody wants to leave their families and happy lives to go fight, but if the fight reaches your doorsteps, then you have no choice

really ! it all started because for some they only are true , pious and standard version of islam and rest others are vermins.
 
@Schutz @Jaanbaz @flamer84 @rockstar08

Congratulation!!!

With ISIS, UK has became net exporter of Jihad terror.(Britons make highest proportion of foreign D'Jihadist in ISIS)

Britain is fast catching up with third world countries. Hail Britannia!

UK seriously needs to see who they let in...plz take only educated people who will actually contribute to the economy..not medieval beardos and crazy somalis who will live off welfare and spread fanaticism.

Now if a white European was to say that he would be branded as a racist. Debate about home grown extremists and immigration is censored by main stream parties and media, this is why Right Wing movements across Europe are gaining support.

You are right. But what saddens me that about women and children of that area, I mean the countries covering that area. Starting from Iran, Iraq, Syria, Jordan, Egypt, Yemen, Palestine, Afghanistan. Now after WWII, these countries have faced some sort of external as well internal wars. I mean each and every citizen of these countries have faced a certain time of their entire life living in some sort of refugee camps. This saddens me. May be those fighting as ISIL/ISIS have also spent some of their childhood in tents. So they have no sense of peace. They have seen violence in their childhood and therefore they are violent as adult. The today's children will also act like that when they grow. Only the women and the then children will suffer.

@Jaanbaz @rockstar08

True to some extent. Please don't forget half of the problems are brought upon by leaders of these nations. Outsiders exploit these problems and fault lines. The Evil West is not responsible for every single problem in Muslim nations. Yes countries like USA and UK have interfered in internal matter of these mentioned countries. Some blame also goes on them. But at the end of the day if people do not want to change then what can outsiders do?
 
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UK will suffer if they dont take any actions .. plus west should realize that now they should mind their own business .. all the violence in middle east are because of west invasions ...it is common sense if USA would have bring peace in Iraq than why peoples are still so against them ? and they find their heroes in those animals in human forms ?
 
UK will suffer if they dont take any actions .. plus west should realize that now they should mind their own business .. all the violence in middle east are because of west invasions ...it is common sense if USA would have bring peace in Iraq than why peoples are still so against them ? and they find their heroes in those animals in human forms ?
It may be the fault of the west but with the leaders in the middle east over the past few decades something was bound to happen eventually especially as many of the countries start to modernize, and its not like that region has never experienced war, its the birthplace of civilization and where warfare first started.

The western invasions surely hurried up the extremists but they had been bombing places for decades before that aswell, in an age where everyone across the world can travel and be connected almost freely I think it was inevitable that this will happen, the people in that region are still tribal in many instances.
 
It all started from their Sir that is the main source as always yes brutality of Assad and Arab Spring had now the main role but it all started from Israel Palestine issue 9/11 main reason was issue of Palestine Sir as long as USA and west supports it war will not stop Sir that is always the core issue for hundred of years if they will not end support soon they would fight this war in their streets Sir Palestine issue is number one problem all others are secondary

What's so special about the Israelis and Palestinians? There are so many more injustices across the world, and not a tear for them(?) Are the Israelis threatening you? How does some distant country threaten you exactly?

And even if there was no Israel, this war drama would have still happened one way or another. Lack of democracy in Western-backed Arab regimes is the major reason for 9/11 and other terrorists to prosper in part. And there will always be the thorny issue of Iran, whose events had little to do with Israeli-Palestinian conflict, but that of the will of the Iranian people at the time.

The First Gulf War was all due to Saddam's greed. Inadvertently, the Palestinians in Kuwait were kicked out for supporting Saddam's invasion. The finale was poorly executed by the Allied forces, which (along with other factors) ultimately lead to this crisis. Interestingly, Osama felt "bad" about being rejected by his Saudi masters who favored the Americans.

As of right now, this world is suffering from the highest number of refugees since WWII. And all that in the Middle East. Now tell me Zarvan, who is responsible for creating that result?
 
What's so special about the Israelis and Palestinians? There are so many more injustices across the world, and not a tear for them(?) Are the Israelis threatening you? How does some distant country threaten you exactly?

And even if there was no Israel, this war drama would have still happened one way or another. Lack of democracy in Western-backed Arab regimes is the major reason for 9/11 and other terrorists to prosper in part. And there will always be the thorny issue of Iran, whose events had little to do with Israeli-Palestinian conflict, but that of the will of the Iranian people at the time.

The First Gulf War was all due to Saddam's greed. Inadvertently, the Palestinians in Kuwait were kicked out for supporting Saddam's invasion. The finale was poorly executed by the Allied forces, which (along with other factors) ultimately lead to this crisis. Interestingly, Osama felt "bad" about being rejected by his Saudi masters who favored the Americans.

As of right now, this world is suffering from the highest number of refugees since WWII. And all that in the Middle East. Now tell me Zarvan, who is responsible for creating that result?
As long as Israel is there peace in the world will always remain a dream what it has to do it has all to do with city of jerusalam and than independence of our Palestinian brothers Israel for past 60 years is degrading the Mosque of Al Aqsa and also mass murder of brothers in Palestine it is always a threat to all Muslims even for that original sinner is UK who founded Israel and also handed over these nations to dumbos like Assad and others now these puppets will fall one by one and than Israel
 
I don't understand why people, use Caliphate word.... I mean who will be the Caliph ? by whose authority ? Which countries is gonna accept their religious authority ?

ISIS can name it self as a Caliphate but for the rest of the sane world, they will remain as rag-tag terrorists.
The mad dream of a dead empire that unites Islamic rebels
By Amir Taheri
June 14, 2014 | 4:19pm

They call themselves the Army of God (Jund Allah) and claim to be fighting to unite mankind under the banner of Islam as “the only true faith.” To achieve that goal, they believe they should revive the Islamic Caliphate, the theocratic empire developed after the death of Prophet Mohammed in 632 AD.

Adepts of the caliphate movement are present throughout the world, including the United States, under different labels. In many places, from the Philippines to Nigeria, passing by Thailand, India, Afghanistan and Syria, they have taken up arms to capture a chunk of territory as the embryo of their dream empire.

In recent months, a branch of the movement, known as Da’esh or the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria, has been capturing territory in Syria. Last week, it used its Syrian base as a springboard for conquest in Iraq, ending up in control of the western parts of Mosul, the country’s third-largest city, as well as parts of Saddam Hussein’s native town of Tikrit.

The group’s Syrian possessions include the city of al-Raqqah. That is of some symbolic importance, because for more than 100 years, al-Raqqah was capital of one of the greatest caliphates. If Da’esh manages to hang on to its Syrian and Iraqi possessions, it could expand its conquests by annexing parts of Jordan and Lebanon.

When Muslims ruled
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Theoretically, all practicing Muslims must work to unite mankind under the banner of Islam, as the Koran regards the two previous Abrahamic religions, Judaism and Christianity, as “corrupted and canceled.” Others, such as Hindus and Buddhists, not to mention atheists, who do not subscribe to any of the Abrahamic faiths, are regarded as “deviants” to be goaded into the Right Path.

In Islamic history, the caliphate has come in different versions, starting with the four immediate successors to the prophet, covering almost three decades. These four Rashidun, or “rightly guided,” caliphs, expanded the gospel of Islam in all directions, ruling vast lands under Sharia law.

That was followed by the Umayyad caliphate that, in terms of territory, remains the largest Islam has created (661-750) — stretching from Spain to Pakistan. The Umayyad were replaced by the Abbasid, who set up the longest-lasting caliphate (750-1258). The last major caliphate was that of the Ottomans and lasted from 1301 to 1922.

In between, a number of mini-caliphates have mushroomed in various parts of the world, including the Sokoto caliphate in West Africa (1812).

To many Muslims, the abolition of the Ottoman Caliphate by Ataturk in 1924 is a deep historic wound that shall heal only when a new caliphate is set up to resume the ghazavat (wars of conquest) against the infidels.

The aim of the ghazis (Muslim conquerors) has never been to convert anyone to Islam by force. In fact, through the Umayyad period, less than 1 percent of the population under the caliphate were Muslims.

Jews and Christians could keep their faith by paying a poll tax (jiziyah). The Ottomans even allowed non-Muslim minorities, classified as “mellats,” freedom in matters of personal life.

What matters is that non-Muslims should live under Islamic rule, while for Muslims to live under non-Islamic rule is, in the word of the Indo-Pakistani Islamist Abu al-Ala Maududi,“an unbearable pain.”


Islam as politics
In fact, the dream of reviving the caliphate is one of the key unifying themes between radical Islamists and ordinary Muslims.

The reason is that, over the past century or so, Islam has been gradually reinterpreted as a political ideology rather than a religion. Just as Communism was a religion expressed through a secular vocabulary, Islam has become a political ideology using a religious vocabulary.

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An image from the Islamic State jihadist group shows militants gathered near Iraq’s Nineveh province.Photo: Getty Images

It might come as a surprise to many, but the truth is that Islam today no longer has a living and evolving theology. In fact, with few exceptions, Islam’s last genuine theologians belong to the early part of the 19th century. Go to any mosque anywhere, whether it is in New York or Mecca, and you are more likely to hear a political sermon rather than a theological reflection.

In the highly politicized version of Islam promoted by Da’esh, al Qaeda, the Khomeinists in Iran, the Taliban in Afghanistan and Boko Haram in Nigeria, God plays a cameo role at best.

Deprived of its theological moorings, today’s Islam is a wayward vessel under the captaincy of ambitious adventurers leading it into sectarian feuds, wars and terrorism. Many, especially Muslims in Europe and North America, use it as a shibboleth defining identity and even ethnicity.

A glance at Islam’s history in the past 200 years highlights the rapid fading of theologians. Today, Western scholars speak of Wahhabism as if that meant a theological school. In truth, Muhammad Abdul-Wahhabi was a political figure. His supposedly theological writings consist of nine pages denouncing worship at shrines of saints. Nineteenth-century “reformers” such as Jamaleddin Assadabadi and Rashid Rada were also more interested in politics than theology.

The late Ayatollah Khomeini, sometimes regarded as a theologian, was in fact a politician wearing clerical costume. His grandson has collected more than 100,000 pages of his writings and speeches and poetry. Of these, only 11 pages, commenting on the first and shortest verse of the Koran, could be regarded as dabbling in theology, albeit not with great success.

In the 1970s, I held a number of conversations with Maududi, finding him closer to Lenin than to Muhammad. The Muslim Brotherhood (Ikhwan al-Moslemeen), now a global organization, has not produced a single theologian because it was more interested in political power than scholarship. Today, its chief theologian is the TV preacher Yussef Qaradawi, who heads a Fatwa Council financed by the European Union. Chief Mufti of Syria Ahmad Hassoun is a state employee. In Egypt, government controls Al-Azhar, the principal “theological academy” of Sunni Islam.

In the Indo-Pakistan subcontinent as well as in Indonesia, the most prominent figures of Islam have been politicians rather than theologians. Even the best of them, like Mujibur Rahman in Bangladesh, and Abdul-Rahman Wahid and Nurcholis Madjid in Indonesia, pursued a political rather than theological career.

In Shiite Iran, genuine theological work ended with people like Kazem Assar and Allameh Tabataba’i. Mullah Omar, the Taliban leader who declared himself Commander of the Faithful (Emir al-Momeneen), has not produced a single page of theology.

That an overpoliticized Islam should nurture a political program of global dimensions is no surprise. A survey of the literature produced by the caliphate revivalists, including the Tanzim Islami (Islamic Organization), the Muslim Brotherhood, the Iranian-led Hezbollah and the Islamic Liberation Party (Hizb al-Tahrir al-Islami) highlights their vision of the world.

According to that vision, mankind has been pushed on “the path of doom” by deviant Judaism and Christianity, followed by the Enlightenment and democracy.

Iran’s former President Mohammed Khatami claims that the Enlightenment is responsible for wars, colonialism and a collapse of moral standards. Former Malaysian Prime Minister Mahathir Muhammad believes that Jews invented democracy so that “it does not matter what religion the ruler has.”

Muslims are advised to start by protecting themselves against Western political and cultural influences. In Iran, the “Supreme Guide” Ali Khamenei orders periodic raids against shops selling Western pop music and movies. In Nigeria, Boko Haram (the name means Education Is Forbidden) focuses on attacking Western-style schools, especially for girls. As in Iran during the Khomeinist revolution, Da’esh gangs have torched schools, bookshops and cinemas in Syrian cities they have captured.
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Former Iranian President Mohammed Khatami (from left), former Malaysian Prime Minister Mahathir Muhammad and Iran’s “Supreme Guide” Ayatollah Ali KhameneiPhoto: Reuters; Reuters; Getty Images

How they see the world
The revivalists divide the world into three sections. The first consists of the 57 Muslim-majority countries that form the Islamic Conference Organizations. They would form the core of the dream caliphate.

The next section covers countries and regions that were once, even if briefly, ruled by Muslims. These include Russia from Siberia to the Black Sea, including Crimea, Bulgaria, Romania, parts of Poland and Hungary, the Balkans, Greece and all the Mediterranean islands, parts of Italy, almost the whole of the Iberian Peninsula, and parts of southwestern France. To those must be added northern India and China east of Lanzhou. This second segment would have to be recaptured for the caliphate as soon as possible.

The third section consists of regions and countries that were never under Muslim rule. These include Japan, much of Indochina and, more importantly, the whole of the American continent. The latter group of nations would be invited to pay a tribute to the revived Islamic caliphate in exchange for maintaining their independence pending the next round of ghazavat.

In fact, some Islamists claim that the United States became a tributary of Islam by paying an annual sum to Muslim pirates on the Barbary Coast, a scheme later canceled by President Thomas Jefferson.

One question remains: Who is to be the caliph?

In the 1930s, the kings of Saudi Arabia and Egypt briefly tried to capture the caliphate for themselves.

Da’esh leader Abubakr al-Baghdadi has already claimed the title, as has Mullah Omar in Afghanistan. In Iran, Khamenei has similar pretensions. Nigerian Abu-Bakr Shekau is regarded as caliph by Boko Haram and its sister group, Ansar ul-Islam (Victors of Islam), in the name of pan-African Islam.

One man who might have had a credible claim to the title was Ertugul Osman, the last descendant of the last Ottoman caliph. But he died in Manhattan in 2009, leaving no male heirs.

To many outsiders, the caliphate project might sound like a pipe dream. In the long run, it certainly is. However, in the short and medium run, it is a recipe for conflict, war and terrorism that is designed to spare no one, starting with Muslims who are dying by the thousands.

What could the outside world, notably the United States, do to tame and defeat this monster?

As always, the answer is to help Muslim nations build democracies in which Islam could re-become a religion rather than a political ideology. That is a long-term project that requires genuine commitment and patience.

More immediately, the US should do all it can to stop Da’esh and its Saddamite allies from destabilizing Iraq. That could mean drone attacks against Da’esh positions, logistical facilities for bringing elite Iraqi units to the battleground and energetic political action to persuade Iraqi parties to form a government of national unity.
 
As long as Israel is there peace in the world will always remain a dream what it has to do it has all to do with city of jerusalam and than independence of our Palestinian brothers Israel for past 60 years is degrading the Mosque of Al Aqsa and also mass murder of brothers in Palestine it is always a threat to all Muslims even for that original sinner is UK who founded Israel and also handed over these nations to dumbos like Assad and others now these puppets will fall one by one and than Israel

Well that doesn't answer my question, Zarvan. Let me elaborate a bit more.

Even if you get what you want for the Pals, there is no guarantee that ISIS will drop their arms and end their dreams of conquest.

Finally, why would you let them take care of it? How do you know that they'll go into the direction you, and your peers would want? The fat old kids at the likes of AIPAC spent a lot of money behind their activities, they won't give up so easy. That way, they couldn't even make decisions properly.

I suggest that you see that the situation is very different now. It is no longer an issue of Arabs vs. Israelis, but that of Sunnis vs. Shias.

But as they say: "Some seek destination, others are content with the path."
 
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Alarmist headline. This is not something new for British authorities. They have been looking at this issue for the last two years. They must have a plan. Plus their Muslim citizens are an asset against returning jihadis.

@Zarvan What does Syrian situation has to do with Israel-Palestinian thing? I see no direct link. I do not know how you can what you say. If you support jihadist disturbance in Western countries, then you should have no problem with them deciding to deport Muslim populations en-masse. I hope you are sane enough to see the logical result of your thinking. I do not see how you think Western countries could be persuaded to drop support for Israel by saying such things.

Alarmists on both sides, European far rightists and people like Zarvan feed off each other.

It's like a cycle of violence and hate. They need that to work.
 
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