Barzani says Turkey sent arms to KRG, PYD members treated in Turkey

[al-Hasani]

@1000

I hope that the Iraqi Arabs, Turkmens etc. continue to flood KRG. Their barren and land-locked lands are bound for a failure as long as Iraq regains what is rightfully theirs. Kirkuk. Good luck to them then. They can dream about carving land out of Turkey too.

I hope that whoever will rule Syria in the future will just give them autonomy and that's it. Anyway in Syria they only inhabit a tiny geographical area and Syrian Arabs, Assyrians, Chaldeans, Syriacs, Turkmen etc. also live in those regions and all want to remain a part of Syria. Just like the minorities in KRG. They can go and carve out land from their native Iran or wherever they came from.

@SALMAN AL-FARSI

The situations looks different when you look at avarage Kurds in Turkey, most of them living peacefully, just look at pkk, they have barely 5 thousand fighters out of a 14 million people.

Places like rudaw are hotspot of separatists.

Well, for now that's the case. You think that they would remain silent should their brothers and sisters attempt to create a Kurdistan? Or them getting the opportunity for it? Will they then pick Turkey or their own Kurdistan? In such a case I think that you are being naive my friend.

Tarazani is the utmost snake. He was acting like a little puppet when Saddam was around. Typical of Kurdish leaders.



I will always stand by with Iraq, Syria and Turkey against Kurds. Especially Iraq for obvious reasons. Should a war break out between Iraq and this Kurdistan I think that Arabs all over the world should mobilize. If they try to conquer Iraqi territory that is. We will teach them a few lessons as usual again.

 

[xenon54 out]

Well, for now that's the case. You think that they would remain silent should their brothers and sisters attempt to create a Kurdistan? Or them getting the opportunity for it? Will they then pick Turkey or their own Kurdistan? In such a case I think that you are being naive my friend.

It wont be the first time where someone claims land from us getting a Ottoman slap.

 

[al-Hasani]

It wont be the first time where someone claims land from us getting a Ottoman slap.

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Well, we Arabs had a different method. A more lethal one.

I am just saying that you guys should be cautious and don't fall for their plans. Don't be surprised that the Tarazani you now negotiate with and have ties with will turn against you the second he is in a position to do so.

Notice that I have been talking about the Kurdish leadership solely and most of the Kurds I know. The average Kurd who is not trying to steal land from other native peoples etc. and who is not hostile against Arabs will be treated as any other person. With respect and friendship if it will be repaid.

We have seen the Kurds behavior regarding Iraq, Syria and the Arabs in those two countries in the past few months. I lost everything for the Kurds this second. I can't believe that I once understood their struggle etc.

 

[xenon54 out]

Well, we Arabs had a different method. A more lethal one.

I am just saying that you guys should be cautious and don't fall for their plans. Don't be surprised that the Tarazani you now negotiate with and have ties with will turn against you the second he is in a position to do so.

How far can their plans go? They can try if they want to live in isolation forever like Armenia.

 

[1000]

Tarazani is the utmost snake. He was acting like a little puppet when Saddam was around. Typical of Kurdish leaders.

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Saddam would be a good replacement, I think most people in Iraq want someone like him to return including moderate Shia. Democracy made way for corruption, incompetence and trash like above. But there is none, Izzat al Douri is hiding somewhere and supporting ISIS with words despite knowing they would execute him. I hope Abadi becomes dicator eventually, he's making many changes but it takes time for visible results.

 

[al-Hasani]

How far can their plans go? They can try if they want to live in isolation forever like Armenia.

Well, their greatest weapon is the demographics and their ties with Israel and the US.

 

[xenon54 out]

Well, their greatest weapon is the demographics and their ties with Israel and the US.

At least in case of Turkey demographics become less relevant with more intermarriages between Kurds and Turks.

Besides we are Nato member almost since its establishment, their US ties are meaningless against us.

 

[al-Hasani]

Saddam would be a good replacement, I think most people in Iraq want someone like him to return including moderate Shia. Democracy made way for corruption, incompetence and trash like above. But there is none, Izzat al Douri is hiding somewhere and supporting ISIS with words despite knowing they would execute him. I hope Abadi becomes dicator eventually, he's making many changes but it takes time for visible results.

As @Arabian Legend says then Iraq needs another Al-Hajjaj ibn Yusuf. He kept Iraq together back then in the only way possible and succeeded with all of his plans and instead of unlimited civil wars Iraq entered a almost 500 year long stable and glorious period until the barbarian Mongols sacked Baghdad. Had he not been a just but harsh ruler Iraq would have continued in the same manner.

Iraq just needs a sane, clever and strong leader. A nationalist that will rally Iraqis and unite them. Don't let foreigners try to play around with you. Whatever certain Arab regimes (more likely certain private financial backers) then have no illusions about Arabs not supporting Iraq just like they would support any other Arab country. I don't count the sectarian retards but even they support Iraq (either Sunnis or Shias).

The Kurds behavior against Iraq since 2003 should not be forgiven/forgot or their ruoe in the ISIS takeover. They even looked silently when their cousins the Yazidis were killed. The Iraqi army has helped the Yazidis more than anyone but they still badmouth Iraq. What a ungrateful people. There are 1 million Kurds in Baghdad but they have tried to prevent Iraqi Arabs from going to Kurdistan which is still part of Iraq.

Kurds = Kurdish leadership and their fans. There are good Kurds after all so I don't have a problem with them as a people but what their leaders do.

 

[Arabian Legend]

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EPIC.

 

[atatwolf]

Turkey should be careful about not helping those stateless Kurds too much. They will turn on Turkey as we all know. They still dream about their Kurdistan. I don't know a single Kurd abroad that does not. You guys really think that this Tarazani figure would not like to rule Southeastern Turkey? Of course he would. They might tell you something else face to face though. They are foreigners to all the lands of tiny Northern and tiny Northern Syria. I think that Turks should migrate to Southeastern Turkey in larger numbers. Likewise the Arabs of Iraq already form 33-40% of KRG's population. They are not going to leave anywhere. If they can live all over Turkey and Iraq so should the Arabs and Turks do in "their" lands.

I don't understand why Turkey treats terrorists like PYD.

In Ayn Al Arab Turkey should just let the ISIS, YPG and PKK terrorists kill each other off. There are no civilians there anymore and those few that have not fled are asking for trouble themselves or either aiding 3 of those terrorist groups.

ISIS is full of Kurds anyway.

KRG has a coventional army. PKK is non-coventional army. If KRG does something for casus belli. We can immediately hit them since we know where they are. We can take their oil or whatever. PKK is diffent. PKK forces are hidden, we can't hit them if they do something which is a casus belli. So we have to use different tactics against them.

Personally I support the relations between Barzani and Turkey. They give us very cheap oil and us having relations with them keeps Iran and others out. North-Iraq is huge market for Turkey. So we are not only economically linked to them. In case they double cross us, we can shut their oil revenue off, stop water supply and do other things which will affect them directly.

 

[xenon54 out]

KRG has a coventional army. PKK is non-coventional army. If KRG does something for casus belli. We can immediately hit them since we know where they are. We can take their oil or whatever. PKK is diffent. PKK forces are hidden, we can't hit them if they do something which is a casus belli. So we have to use different tactics against them.

Personally I support the relations between Barzani and Turkey. They give us very cheap oil and us having relations with them keeps Iran and others out. North-Iraq is huge market for Turkey. So we are not only economically linked to them. In case they double cross us, we can shut their oil revenue off, stop water supply and do other things which will affect them directly.

And cut off electricity too.

 

[-SINAN-]

KRG has a coventional army. PKK is non-coventional army. If KRG does something for casus belli. We can immediately hit them since we know where they are. We can take their oil or whatever. PKK is diffent. PKK forces are hidden, we can't hit them if they do something which is a casus belli. So we have to use different tactics against them.

Atatwolf.....you are wrong, dead wrong. They are not hidden or invisible. The problem lies within geography.

This is Dağlıca.

The problem is the Turkish army. As long as our soldiers stay in their base they are targets. These terrorists comes from mountain tops. After firing for some time they again dissappear in mountains.

We have to Invade northern Iraq. And go as deep as mount Kandil. Kill them all stay for months, search and destroy. And come back after reducing them to nothing.

As long as we don't do this (Like Osman Pasha's times) We will suffer from terrorist attacks.