Bangladesh Air Force

[Michael Corleone]

What does this mean for the old 12 MRCA tender?

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16 MRCA
8 Attack Heli
24 Primary trainer
2 Light Aircraft
3 VVIP Heli
2 AD Radar
4 MRAP
Simulator
& Mobile ATC Tower is on process under fiscal year 19-20

That's a nice list worth ~5 billion. Nice.

So this year defense budget will jump to 8 billion? :o

 

[Arthur]

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So this year defense budget will jump to 8 billion? :o

It will see an increase that's alright.

But not sure about the number, since lot of these will be bought on G2G basis, the funds will come through government's procurement budget. Defence budget for 20-21 will be around 5-6 billion dollars.

 

[UKBengali]

It will see an increase that's alright.

But not sure about the number, since lot of these will be bought on G2G basis, the funds will come through government's procurement budget. Defence budget for 20-21 will be around 5-6 billion dollars.

Current defence budget growing at rate of economy(7-8%) will suffice to buy all this hardware.
Remember that this items will be paid for over 3-5 years.

 

[Arthur]

Current defence budget growing at rate of economy(7-8%) will suffice to buy all this hardware.
Remember that this items will be paid for over 3-5 years.

Well the current budget stands at 4 billion dollars. An increase of 1.5 percent will be a lot of money. Enough to attract any major defence company.

Recent close relationship with Boeing on civilian aircraft deals shows gov. has the balls to spend & Boeing's willingness to cooperate with us.

If it's any indication Super Hornets will be a top runner for MRCA.

But tune in to PM's Italy visit. I am hoping major development from that front.

 

[UKBengali]

Well the current budget stands at 4 billion dollars. An increase of 1.5 percent increase will be a lot of money. Enough yo attract any major defence company.

Recent close relationship with Boeing on civilian aircraft deals shows gov. has the balls to spend & Boeing's willingness to cooperate with us.

If it's any indication Super Hornets will be a top runner for MRCA.

But tune to to PM's Italy visit. I am hoping major development from that front.

I am expecting next to nothing on the Euro-fighter front as some have mentioned.

Anything less than Tranche 2 Block 15 Euro-fighters will need AMRAAM and USA will almost certainly veto this as they want BD into the US weapons eco-system.

The new build Euro-fighters that can fire Meteor come in at over 100 million US dollars a plane. Super-hornet is around 80 million US dollars per plane but is substantially cheaper than Euro-fighter to operate and so in my opinion has an outside chance against refurbished F-16 Block 50/52.

 

[Michael Corleone]

I am expecting next to nothing on the Euro-fighter front as some have mentioned.

Anything less than Tranche 2 Block 15 Euro-fighters will need AMRAAM and USA will almost certainly veto this as they want BD into the US weapons eco-system.

The new build Euro-fighters that can fire Meteor come in at over 100 million US dollars a plane. Super-hornet is around 80 million US dollars per plane but is substantially cheaper than Euro-fighter to operate and so in my opinion has an outside chance against refurbished F-16 Block 50/52.

What variant of f18s do you reckon, also why not the latest f16s?

 

[monitor]

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[Avicenna]

If nothing else, apparently many used Tranche 1 are available with plans for sale to interested buyers.

https://www.janes.com/article/92375/germany-to-replace-early-eurofighters-under-project-quadriga

Germany to replace early Eurofighters under Project Quadriga
Gareth Jennings, Manching, Germany - Jane's Defence Weekly
05 November 2019

The Luftwaffe is to retire its 38 Tranche 1 Eurofighters and replace them with Tranche 3 aircraft fitted to the new Quadriga configuration. Source: Airbus
The German government is to replace its entire fleet of Tranche 1 Eurofighter combat aircraft under a new project revealed by Airbus Defence and Space (DS) on 5 November.

Speaking at the company's Manching facility near Munich, Kurt Rossner, Head of Air Combat, said that Airbus DS is close to signing a contract with Berlin to replace the Luftwaffe's 38 Tranche 1 Eurofighters under a programme to be called Project Quadriga. These early aircraft would then be sold to the international market before being replaced in Luftwaffe service by new-build Tranche 3 platforms that will include the E-Scan Mk 1 active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar and updated software.

"I would say that we are within weeks of signing the Quadriga contract with the German government - we are now in the final stages," Rossner said, adding that the sale of these early-variant aircraft will deliver the necessary capacity for the Luftwaffe as it looks to replace them with the latest-standard models. The 38 aircraft comprise seven twin-seaters and 26 single-seaters, with options for a further five single-seaters. No customer has yet been secured for these Tranche 1 aircraft to be sold-off.

While the Quadriga-standard Eurofighter is geared at the Luftwaffe, Rossner said that Switzerland would be a good match also as it looks to replace its ageing Northrop F-5E/F Tiger II and Boeing F/A-18 Hornet fleets. Airbus has proposed up to 40 Eurofighters for Switzerland, with type selection by the Federal Council due at the end of 2020 / early 2021.

 

[UKBengali]

If nothing else, apparently many used Tranche 1 are available with plans for sale to interested buyers.

https://www.janes.com/article/92375/germany-to-replace-early-eurofighters-under-project-quadriga

Germany to replace early Eurofighters under Project Quadriga
Gareth Jennings, Manching, Germany - Jane's Defence Weekly
05 November 2019

The Luftwaffe is to retire its 38 Tranche 1 Eurofighters and replace them with Tranche 3 aircraft fitted to the new Quadriga configuration. Source: Airbus
The German government is to replace its entire fleet of Tranche 1 Eurofighter combat aircraft under a new project revealed by Airbus Defence and Space (DS) on 5 November.

Speaking at the company's Manching facility near Munich, Kurt Rossner, Head of Air Combat, said that Airbus DS is close to signing a contract with Berlin to replace the Luftwaffe's 38 Tranche 1 Eurofighters under a programme to be called Project Quadriga. These early aircraft would then be sold to the international market before being replaced in Luftwaffe service by new-build Tranche 3 platforms that will include the E-Scan Mk 1 active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar and updated software.

"I would say that we are within weeks of signing the Quadriga contract with the German government - we are now in the final stages," Rossner said, adding that the sale of these early-variant aircraft will deliver the necessary capacity for the Luftwaffe as it looks to replace them with the latest-standard models. The 38 aircraft comprise seven twin-seaters and 26 single-seaters, with options for a further five single-seaters. No customer has yet been secured for these Tranche 1 aircraft to be sold-off.

While the Quadriga-standard Eurofighter is geared at the Luftwaffe, Rossner said that Switzerland would be a good match also as it looks to replace its ageing Northrop F-5E/F Tiger II and Boeing F/A-18 Hornet fleets. Airbus has proposed up to 40 Eurofighters for Switzerland, with type selection by the Federal Council due at the end of 2020 / early 2021.

Interesting!

Problem is that none of these planes can fire Meteor and would need AMRAAM - I am thinking that USA would veto AMRAAM as they want BD to buy US fighters.

Just read that Spain is upgrading it's Tranche 1 Eurofighter so that they should be able to carry the new AESA radar and also fire the Meteor.

With these German planes being retired and available on the market, BAF could potentially make a deal for a squadron (16) and then partner with the UK to get them upgraded with AESA and hence be able to fire Meteor. I cannot see BAF paying anymore than 50 million US dollars for the airframes and the upgrades.

Refurbished Eurofighters, upgraded with AESA radar and hence able to fire Meteor, would be by far the best option for BAF.

16 of these planes would be more than enough to take on MAF and be the start of building a sizeable force to deter India.

 

[Avicenna]

Interesting!

Problem is that none of these planes can fire Meteor and would need AMRAAM - I am thinking that USA would veto AMRAAM as they want BD to buy US fighters.

Just read that Spain is upgrading it's Tranche 1 Eurofighter so that they should be able to carry the new AESA radar and also fire the Meteor.

With these German planes being retired and available on the market, BAF could potentially make a deal for a squadron (16) and then partner with the UK to get them upgraded with AESA and hence be able to fire Meteor. I cannot see BAF paying anymore than 50 million US dollars for the airframes and the upgrades.

Refurbished Eurofighters, upgraded with AESA radar and hence able to fire Meteor, would be by far the best option for BAF.

16 of these planes would be more than enough to take on MAF and be the start of building a sizeable force to deter India.

Exactly.

The point is....there are now many examples of used Tranche 1 potentially up for sale....and there is a path to upgrade as demonstrated by Spain to mount Meteor/AESA.

Just another option for Bangladesh.

https://www.airforce-technology.com...t-upgraded-tranche-1-eurofighter-fighter-jet/

https://www.janes.com/article/86847/spain-receives-first-upgraded-tranche-1-eurofighter

 

[UKBengali]

Exactly.

The point is....there are now many examples of used Tranche 1 potentially up for sale....and there is a path to upgrade as demonstrated by Spain to mount Meteor/AESA.

Just another option for Bangladesh.

https://www.airforce-technology.com...t-upgraded-tranche-1-eurofighter-fighter-jet/

https://www.janes.com/article/86847/spain-receives-first-upgraded-tranche-1-eurofighter

Yep, it will be more expensive to buy the planes, operate and obtain munitions but the extra capability and freedom from US dictats will be worth it.

Interestingly Eurofighter is slightly better at air to air than Rafale and so BAF would end up with a slightly better fighter than anything India has.

 

[Avicenna]

Yep, it will be more expensive to buy the planes, operate and obtain munitions but the extra capability and freedom from US dictate will be worth it.

Interestingly Eurofighter is slightly better at air to air than Rafale and so BAF would end up with a slightly better fighter than anything India has.

For now this is all speculation right?

But there is smoke.

Lets hope and pray this happens.

 

[UKBengali]

For now this is all speculation right?

But there is smoke.

Lets hope and pray this happens.

Up to BAF/BD in the end but this adds an extra realistic option in terms of price.

Germany would sell to BD and UK would be more than happy to upgrade with AESA and supply Meteor - UK makes the AESA radar and leads the Meteor programme.

 

[Avicenna]

Up to BAF/BD in the end but this adds an extra realistic option in terms of price.

Germany would sell to BD and UK would be more than happy to upgrade with AESA and supply Meteor - UK makes the AESA radar and leads the Meteor programme.

Yup.

Very feasible.

Between this, any potential Super Hornets or F-16s, I would be pleased.

 

[BanglarBagh]

Interesting!

Problem is that none of these planes can fire Meteor and would need AMRAAM - I am thinking that USA would veto AMRAAM as they want BD to buy US fighters.

Just read that Spain is upgrading it's Tranche 1 Eurofighter so that they should be able to carry the new AESA radar and also fire the Meteor.

With these German planes being retired and available on the market, BAF could potentially make a deal for a squadron (16) and then partner with the UK to get them upgraded with AESA and hence be able to fire Meteor. I cannot see BAF paying anymore than 50 million US dollars for the airframes and the upgrades.

Refurbished Eurofighters, upgraded with AESA radar and hence able to fire Meteor, would be by far the best option for BAF.

16 of these planes would be more than enough to take on MAF and be the start of building a sizeable force to deter India.

Have you considered the possibility of purchasing EFT and also F-16s?! In this case both the platforms should be refurbished as buying new EFTs and Vipers is not financially viable. This scenario may get us AMRAAMs for both the platforms. Even then, I would prefer the AESA/Meteor upgrade for the tranche 1 EFTs, if we get to purchase the bird at all!!!