Azerbaijan Defence Programs & Military Development

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[Kamil_baku]

T-50 is not L-39
you cant just put S-8 rocket pods/ gun pods and suddenly turn it into a light attack aircraft
fighter version of T-50 uses AESA radar, targeting pod and etc.
pretty complex stuff to integrate

I have enough knowledge to make you sure that you can switch it to fighter version easily. It doesnt make sense to have supersonic training jets once we have not many supersonic jets. First of all, once its has capacity to carry weapons(thanks to its GE F404 engine), you can easily switch it to any version.
for example, i got some information for you below.
The TA-50 variant is a more heavily armed version of the T-50 trainer, intended for lead-in fighter training and light attack roles. It is equipped with the EltaEL/M-2032 fire control radar.[17] The TA-50 is designed to operate as a full-fledged combat platform for precision-guided weapons, air-to-air missiles,[18] and air-to-ground missiles.[19] The TA-50 can mount additional utility pods for reconnaissance, targeting assistance, and electronic warfare.
TA-50 name- is just the armed version of T-50(LIGHT ATTACK ROLES) with additional pods, fire control radar and so on.(unlike FA-50 which is multirole fighter)

 

[ASQ-1918]

Orbiter-2M

 

[Azeri440]

23mm version of Istiqlal

 

[Black Eagle 90]

I think Pakistan should try to sell ex-Soviet countries the weapons which it has made so far.

 

[Kamil_baku]

I think Pakistan should try to sell ex-Soviet countries the weapons which it has made so far.

To whom? Azerbaijan? If Azerbaijan has money to buy latest technologies from ISrael, Turkey, Russia and others, why do you think they want to buy ex-svviet technologies?

 

[Targon]

To whom? Azerbaijan? If Azerbaijan has money to buy latest technologies from ISrael, Turkey, Russia and others, why do you think they want to buy ex-svviet technologies?

No dude he says selling Pakistani stuff to ex Soviet countries.

 

[ASQ-1918]

No dude he says selling Pakistani stuff to ex Soviet countries.

And what could Pakistan possibly offer to Azerbaijan? Second-rate Chinese stuff branded as Pakistani (no offence)? The defence market in Azerbaijan has shaped itself pretty clearly, it is Russia, Israel, and to lesser degree Turkey, Belarus/Ukraine, South Africa, and South Korea are a possible candidate to position itself in next years. Pakistan doesn't produce any stuff that can be said to be of higher quality than any of those countries, or anything unique for that matter. Aviation and Air Defence? Land systems? Smaller arms like manpads, anti-tank missiles? Basically anything you can think of.

 

[LegionnairE]

@ASQ-1918
Öyle bir burnunuz havalarda geziyorsunuzki neredeyse Azerbaycan Türkiye'ye yardım etsin diyeceğim.

JF 17 is the best option for Azerbaijan to build a potent air force.
Even Turkey acquired it's ballistic missile technology through Pakistan.
This arrogant attitude isn't going to help.

 

[ASQ-1918]

Ne alakası var? Dediğimi doğru düzgün anladınız mı?

JF-17 is the best option while being inferior to current Mig-29s (excluding air-to-ground capability)? Would Al-Khalid have been the "best option" as well? With your logic, probably. But Azerbaijan ended up buying T-90s

The "best option" for new aircrafts, as you say, is ultimately Russia, which is already Azerbaijan's biggest partner. Azerbaijan has zero partnership with Pakistan on these matters, and even economically.

But I was also making a general point, about all sectors of defence industry.

 

[Hakan]

Ne alakası var? Dediğimi doğru düzgün anladınız mı?

JF-17 is the best option while being inferior to current Mig-29s (excluding air-to-ground capability) Would Al-Khalid have been the "best option" as well? With your logic, probably. But Azerbaijan ended up buying T-90s

The "best option" for new aircrafts, as you say, is ultimately Russia, which is already Azerbaijan's bigges partnr.

But I was also making a general point, about all sectors of defence industry.

Why would you buy from Russia if you know that they support armenia? Wouldn't you try to distance yourself from them? Besides the jf 17 is enough for azerbaijan because it can defeat anything the armenians have and anything Iran has. Simple as that. Also pakistan is a reliable country especially during wartime. What if you need parts for your russian jets in the middle of a war with armenia? Do you think russia will provide them?

 

[ASQ-1918]

Why would you buy from Russia if you know that they support armenia? Wouldn't you try to distance yourself from them? Besides the jf 17 is enough for azerbaijan because it can defeat anything the armenians have and anything Iran has. Simple as that. Also pakistan is a reliable country especially during wartime. What if you need parts for your russian jets in the middle of a war with armenia? Do you think russia will provide them?

The reality is that Russia has emerged as Azerbaijan's biggest partner, and this will continue to grow according to official statements, so I'm going with that. No matter what some random forum member (like K_B) tells you.

How? It cannot even be branded as "fourth-generation", does that tell something?

I'm sure it's not as simple as that, or something the decision makers wouldn't think of.

 

[Targon]

While economy goes fairly fine Azerbaijan should focus on local production, we know how loyal is Russia's friendship is.

 

[ASQ-1918]

Even with all these points aside, someone need to remind you guys the statement of Pakistani officials themselves. They are saying that they cannot export the JF-17 without first meeting Pakistan's own demands, which would not be before the next decade. But all these JF-17 stories connected to Azerbaijan is a bad joke, mind you that the name of Turkey also was in the list of countries supposedly "interested" in this thing. It is boring that some people still hasen't grasped this hoax stories.

Turkey shows interest in JF-17 Thunder

And if you guys are just making a general point, then I simply disagree with it.

However, I was referring to all products, and not just one sector. So can you give me any examples?

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

And what could Pakistan possibly offer to Azerbaijan? Second-rate Chinese stuff branded as Pakistani (no offence)? The defence market in Azerbaijan has shaped itself pretty clearly, it is Russia, Israel, and to lesser degree Turkey, Belarus/Ukraine, South Africa, and South Korea are a possible candidate to position itself in next years. Pakistan doesn't produce any stuff that can be said to be of higher quality than any of those countries, or anything unique for that matter. Aviation and Air Defence? Land systems? Smaller arms like manpads, anti-tank missiles? Basically anything you can think of.

Il make a small list for you my "friend" .. or perhaps you can ask your military officers who train in our institutes.. Made an Azerbaijani friend while my Father was a DS at Arty School...

750 Km.. Land-Sea based .. terrain hugging stealth Cruise Missiles.. Babur ... Babur II with 1200+ Range under development for our Submarines n sea based assets.

500 Km .. Raad Air Launched Cruise missile.

H-4 .. 140 Km Stand off weapon.

H-2 ... 90 Km SOM

Light armoured APCs similiar to humvees.


HAFR-I RPM (Also produced by Azerbaijan under ToT).

Armoured Personal Carriers and their variants... Used by Iraq etc.

Ahan Armoured Posts .. Also exported to several countries.

50-55 Km ranged KRL-122 MBRL with guided Missiles.. exported to BD and other countries.

Fast attack Missile Boats.. Larkana,Jalalat Classes.

Utility Ships,STUS etc.

Zarrar MBT.. Upgrade kits exported to Bangladesh.

K-8 Jet Trainer ... hundreds sold to Venezula,Egypt,Bolivia,Ghana,Burma,Namibia,SL,Zambia,Sudan,Zimbabwe etc

Mushak and Super Mushak trainers n Recon planes... sold to Iran,Syria,KSA,Oman,Egypt,Siera leone, etc... recent deal for 20 planes was worth 100 million dollars the whole package including training 190 million $?

Al Khalid MBT ... The basic variant beats your T-90s.... bought by Morroco,Myanmar,BD,Peru? .. the export version/downgraded per unit cost is 3.9 million $ ..

PIFV (Pak Infantry Fighting Vehicle)

Hamza IFV

Qaswa Armoured logistic carrying APC

Baktar Shikan ATGMs (Laser guided also developed) ... exported to Malaysia,Bangladesh,Egypt, etc.. even Bosnia (free during the war... destroyed serbian T-84s like shit) ..

Various PGMs and Laser guided bombs,Torpedos.

ZDK-3 AWACs produced with China etc...

Burraq UCAV

Shahpar UAVs

Border Eagle,Shadow,Scout,sentry UAVs.... the smaller ones also exported to UK,Austalia n USA homeland protection agencies etc..

Even Turkish ANKA UAV uses parts produced by PAC.

Anza series MANPADs exported to several countries including Malaysia n so on..

POF Eye (Pak Corner Shot type weapon)

etc etc etc etc etc.. can go on and on...

Not including weapons produced under ToT...

Like Agosta-90Bs,F-22 Sword class frigates,Azmat class FACs, etc etc.


JF-17s.. yes it beats mig-29s ..

Its armed with Raad ALCM,H-4,H-2,Takbir PGM,LS-6,SD-10A/B,MAR-1B-2 Anti radiation missiles,PL-5 series short ranged BVRs,CM-400 Hypersonic anti ship missiles,C series anti ship missiles with range till 290 KMs and so on... and yes its a JV... The new Blk-II variant cost 35+ million dollar per unit... comes with new goodies like IFR,IRST,new Pak-European jointly produced Pod among other upgrades not revealed yet..

Blk-I:

PACs customers as per its old shitty website not updated (aviational complex .. one of many):