ATR-72 for Pakistan Navy

[Fieldmarshal]

the MPA fit is still required - the config will be just like the Fokkers - transport / MPA.

the only VIP / ESM aircraft is the Hawker 850 in PN service.

MPA cant be used as transport. As ur typical military MPA is fitted with a wide range of sensors:
Radar ,Magnetic anomaly detector (MAD) Sonobuoys ,ELINT ,Infrared cameras etc
and this is very basic equipment that i have written above in addition to different kind of weapons ranging from a2a- a2sub surface.
on top that a military MPA typically carries a dozen or so crew members, including relief flight crews, to effectively operate the equipment for 8-12 hours sorties at a time.
Their is no way that any one or any navy will remove all that equipment to convert the ac into a transport over night or ever. plus with all the equipment and crew on board thier is no room for any passenger or cargo.

so in such a situation the trainer will be the only ATR in the PN fleet which could be used for transport purposes.

 

[fatman17]

MPA cant be used as transport. As ur typical military MPA is fitted with a wide range of sensors:
Radar ,Magnetic anomaly detector (MAD) Sonobuoys ,ELINT ,Infrared cameras etc
and this is very basic equipment that i have written above in addition to different kind of weapons ranging from a2a- a2sub surface.
on top that a military MPA typically carries a dozen or so crew members, including relief flight crews, to effectively operate the equipment for 8-12 hours sorties at a time.
Their is no way that any one or any navy will remove all that equipment to convert the ac into a transport over night or ever. plus with all the equipment and crew on board thier is no room for any passenger or cargo.

so in such a situation the trainer will be the only ATR in the PN fleet which could be used for transport purposes.

MPA's in PN service are un-armed. you may be referring to an P-3C ASW configuration.

 

[fatman17]

typical MPA will be fitted with an electro-optical sensor and synthetic aperture radar that will feed data to at least three crew monitoring stations.

 

[Jango]

Looking at the tender of the PA aircraft, looks like only one ATR-72 has been ordered as of this moment.

ANd that aircraft has no provisions whatsoever for a MPA or ASW role. The conditions stipulated in the tender outline that their should be a cargo bay, a cargo door, and a capacity of 4 tonnes.

The seating would be done just like in any other cargo aircraft, those tarpaulin seats on the walls.

Their is also a provision for para drops.

So only cargo and troop carrier...

 

[fatman17]

Looking at the tender of the PA aircraft, looks like only one ATR-72 has been ordered as of this moment.

ANd that aircraft has no provisions whatsoever for a MPA or ASW role. The conditions stipulated in the tender outline that their should be a cargo bay, a cargo door, and a capacity of 4 tonnes.

The seating would be done just like in any other cargo aircraft, those tarpaulin seats on the walls.

Their is also a provision for para drops.

So only cargo and troop carrier...

MPA fit will be done locally by removing the sensors, radars and crew stations from the fokkers and these are in good working condition.

 

[Jango]

MPA fit will be done locally by removing the sensors, radars and crew stations from the fokkers and these are in good working condition.

So why the provision for Cargo and para drop?

I don't think there is enough room to have 4 tonnes of cargo and para drop if you have MPA equipment?

And if it does happen, so old MPA equipment will be taken of the Fokker and aircraft will be retired?

 

[fatman17]

So why the provision for Cargo and para drop?

I don't think there is enough room to have 4 tonnes of cargo and para drop if you have MPA equipment?

And if it does happen, so old MPA equipment will be taken of the Fokker and aircraft will be retired?

sir i am only quoting naval source - plus ATR-72 is larger than Fokker F-27. F-27 = Atr-42

i can be wrong - i was wrong once...!

 

[Jango]

i can be wrong - i was wrong once...!

No probs sirjee...I believe you since I have no info on the issue.

BTW, when were you wrong before?

 

[fatman17]

No probs sirjee...I believe you since I have no info on the issue.

BTW, when were you wrong before?

dont remember.....

BTW all naval fokkers were used in multi-role due to lack of assets.

 

[Jango]

dont remember.....

Abhi app itnay burhay nhn huay!!!

 

[fatman17]

Abhi app itnay burhay nhn huay!!!

59 years young!

 

[Jango]

59 years young!

That's the spirit!!!

 

[fatman17]

Pakistan Navy Acquires Second-Hand ATR72


Posted on: March 4th, 2013

Newly-acquired Pakistan Navy ATR72-212A EC-JAH (c/n 712) seen on the ramp at Las Palmas-Gran Canaria, Spain, on February 28, awaiting delivery. The aircraft departed for Pakistan on March 2.

A SINGLE second-hand ATR72-212A, EC-JAH (c/n 712), has been acquired by the Pakistan Navy. The aircraft was previously operated by Spanish commercial airline Binter Canarias, based at Las Palmas-Gran Canaria, where it was repainted in Pakistan Navy colours before delivery. It departed from Las Palmas on March 2 on its delivery flight, initially routing via Palma, Spain; Antalya, Turkey and Jeddah, Saudi Arabia.

A tender had been issued by the Pakistan Navy on October 31, 2012, for the supply of a single combi-configured ATR72-500, which was required to be delivered within six months. Bids had to be submitted by December 18.

The tender documents specified a requirement for an aircraft with a large cargo door, plus an air-openable rear door for air drop of relief goods and rescue personnel. However, the example acquired does not appear to have been modified and it may be that this will take place later in order to get the aircraft quickly into service for crew training.

Although the tender only specified one aircraft, previous reports had suggested that an order for two was likely to be placed to enable replacement of two of the Navy’s elderly Fokker F27 maritime patrol aircraft (MPA). It had been planned to acquire the ATRs initially in a basic configuration for crew training, converting them later for the MPA role. It is thought likely that lack of funding has probably led to just one aircraft being initially purchased.
AFD-Dave Allport

 

[Fieldmarshal]

Still the atr are multiple in number, 3-4 and not one.

 

[airomerix]

Pakistan Navy ATR 72-212A (former EC-JAH) photographed at Gran Canaria Airport (Las Palmas Airport) on February 28, 2013.

The delivery flight route for this aircraft was:

Gran Canaria Airport->Palma de Mallorca Airport->Antalya Airport->Jeddah Airport.