As Turkey Chafes at Erdogan, He Gets Spikier Abroad

[jamahir]

1.The SAA was pressed and fighting on all sides,but the capital was not on the verge of collapse. Aleppo was,yes,but not Damascus.

Yes and in fact other Syrian cities too and Syrians in other countries rallied in support of Assad and the Baath government. I will ask @TNT to go through these vids of such rallies from a playlist maintained on the YT channel of patriotic Syrian member of PDF @Syrian Lion.

And I remembered that I had created this thread in May this year :

3 May، 2021

Paris, SANA- National Union for Syrian Students in France, the Syrian Patriots’ Union, and the French-Syrian Solidarity and Assistance Society in Marseille called for lifting the unilateral Western coercive measures imposed on Syria.

In letters addressed to the Papal Embassy in Paris and the representative of the European Union in France and the United Nations’ Office in Geneva, The Syrian Students and other Associations underlined that those measures are unfair and inhuman which contradict the universal recommendations for human rights and the United Nations Charter, as well as they deprive Syrians from meeting their living needs and severely hinder the reconstruction of the country.

They stressed that the Syrian people carried on a war against terrorism on behalf of the entire world, and yet they found themselves facing huge and tragic economic measures imposed on them that prolonged their suffering.

Bushra Dabin /Mazen Eyon

2.There was no point in the war where "noone supported the rebels". The rebels were supported by Saudi Arabia,Qatar and Turkey from the beginning.

Yes there were a few Syrians who joined the so-called Free Syrian Army but almost all of them are of course Al Qaeda and Muslim Brotherhood. Two high-level defections were Gen. Salim Idris and the retired Syrian cosmonaut Gen. Muhammad Faris. And you are right that these "Syrian" "moderate rebel" headchoppers, cat eaters and human-heart eaters got support from your mentioned countries from the beginning.

From this article :

According to a research paper published this October by the pro-government Turkish think tank, SETA, “Out of the 28 factions [in the Turkish mercenary force], 21 were previously supported by the United States, three of them via the Pentagon’s program to combat DAESH. Eighteen of these factions were supplied by the CIA via the MOM Operations Room in Turkey, a joint intelligence operation room of the ‘Friends of Syria’ to support the armed opposition. Fourteen factions of the 28 were also recipients of the U.S.-supplied TOW anti-tank guided missiles.” (A graph by SETA naming the various militias and the type of U.S. support they received is at the end of this article).

In other words, virtually the entire apparatus of insurgents arrayed against President Bashar al-Assad’s regime — and armed and equipped under the Obama administration — has been repurposed by the Turkish military to serve as the spearhead of its brutal invasion of northern Syria. The leader of this force is Salim Idriss, now the “defense minister” of Syria’s Turkish-backed “interim government.” He’s the same figure who hosted John McCain when the late senator made his infamous 2013 incursion into Syria.

And then about the notorious White Helmet drama artists :

Also present in Afrin were the White Helmets, the supposed civil defense outfit that was nominated for a Nobel Prize, celebrated by the Western media as life-saving rescuers, and heavily funded by the U.S. and U.K. governments. The White Helmets had arrived as auxiliaries of the Islamist mercenary forces, and were operating as Turkish proxies themselves.

Notice who many a time gets Nobel Peace Prizes. Those who somehow or blatantly forward NATO's regime-change and subversion programs. From the time of the Cold War to now for the White Helmets, for the Yemeni MB sympathizer Tawakkol Karman, to that agency OPCW which rushed in to dismantle Syrian chemical weapons while it was mostly Turkish intelligence who provided the criminals rampaging through Syria with chemicals for weapons use.

And among the many crimes Nobel Peace Prize winning Obomba did was send his emissary John McCain to visit the Al Qaeda / Muslim Brotherhood joined Salim Idris in 2013. Please note that McCain crossed over into Syria from Turkey ( @MMM-E, take note. You said somewhere that Erdogan is fighting NATO+GCC since 2013 ) :

‘We need American help’

After crossing the border McCain met with leaders of the Free Syrian Army from across the country, who asked him for increased U.S. support, including heavy weapons, a no-fly zone and airstrikes on Syrian government and Hezbollah forces.

“The visit of Senator McCain to Syria is very important and very useful especially at this time,” the Daily Beast, which first reported the senator’s visit, quoted Idris as saying. “We need American help to have a change on the ground; we are now in a very critical situation.” McCain is the highest-ranking U.S. official to visit Syria since Robert Ford, the U.S. ambassador to Syria, crossed the border into northern Syria to meet with opposition leaders earlier this month.

McCain, the 2008 Republican presidential candidate, has been a fierce critic of Obama administration policy in Syria. While stopping short of backing U.S. ground troops in the country, he supports aggressive military steps against the al-Assad regime. McCain had made a similar visit to Libya early in that conflict.

LOL. So McCain and Obomba were competing on who supports Al Qaeda and Muslim Brotherhood the most.

You are amazed by Jamahir's support for Assad,however I am not amazed by your hate for Assad. Because I know you are one of those who believe the traditional islamist(not islamic,islamist) Sunni narration of "evil Assad,good freedom fighters".

Thank you for making the distinction between Islamic and Islamist but even Islamist need not be used because these criminals have nothing of Islam about them.

I am a Sunni yet I support Assad. This is must be made known to TNT and MMM-E.

Was Gaddafi not a Sunni ?

 

[Foinikas]

Oh no evil dictator Assad is gilling aour boor tzildrens! Halp Mergel halp!

And of course @jamahir like you said,let's not forget the White Helmets

 

[TNT]

If you followed it at the time,you'd have known two things:

1.The SAA was pressed and fighting on all sides,but the capital was not on the verge of collapse. Aleppo was,yes,but not Damascus.
2.There was no point in the war where "noone supported the rebels". The rebels were supported by Saudi Arabia,Qatar and Turkey from the beginning.

You are amazed by Jamahir's support for Assad,however I am not amazed by your hate for Assad. Because I know you are one of those who believe the traditional islamist(not islamic,islamist) Sunni narration of "evil Assad,good freedom fighters". It's the standard narration in Turkey and Gulf monarchies. While Syria was not the perfect democracy,far from it of course,it had been one of the safest and most beautiful countries in the Middle-East to visit. And what do I mean beautiful? I mean,people lived peacefully,there was a lot of culture,museums,entertainment,tolerance for other religions and a good life. Basically in Syria you could do ANYTHING except challenge the government. That was the rule. You can have fun,you do and say whatever you like BUT...don't challenge the authority of the Assad family and don't be a traitor.

Syria was one of the LEAST sectarian countries,even with the Alawis in power. Yes. The only one you CANNOT accuse of being sectarian is the government during the war. The government had and has a lot of support from patriotic Sunnis. Not just Alawis,Christians and Druze.

The protests turned ugly not only because the government,yes,used force to supress them initially,but because there was also firing against the government forces,ambushes of military and police and apparently from the early stages of this uprising,there were armed gangs and groups among the protesters. It was a repeat of the early '80s Muslim Brotherhood attacks.

However,soon Saudi Arabia,Qatar,Turkey and some NATO countries rushed to support these armed groups and rebel soldiers who defected from the army. Turkey played a major role there by transporting volunteers from Libya,providing weapons,money and safe haven to these rebels.

Now,since you said you "followed" the war closely,you should have known all that. Apparently you only stuck on the typical Western media narration of "Assad gasses his own people". It's not late to check it out and change your mind. Not completely,but even just a bit. To say "hey,what's going on here,some things don't add up".

If damascus was safe, why did russia intervene? Russia had to intervene because assad was abt to fall. The rebels were sunni and supported by sunni countries but not openly and strongly. The reason it all turned ugly because assad is a cruel dictator and doznt care abt the ppl and used extensive force first, in retaliation, the ppl started armed resistance instead of peaceful protests. If Egyptian army had killed ppl the same way assad did, Egypt would be in civil war now as well. It shows assad is a dumb autistic moron, who now is completely sold to russia.
Its funny u r blaming me of believing in western propaganda when i debate with u often against that propaganda. It shows that u also know western propaganda but u use that against erdogan when it suits u but then it becomes propaganda when it does not suit ur narrative. The western propaganda is right abt Erdogan and wrong abt assad? Lolz. Do u see ur hypocrisy? Do u see the oxymoron in ur stances???
Also u should know saudi arabia withdrew its support and only Turkey was left to help the civilians, including the millions of migrants. Their own arabs abandoned them while turks gave them refuge.
Now let me expose yet another hypocrisy of urs. Syria was nice and beautiful because it was open? Doznt matter if a dictator was there? Yet Turkey with all its freedom is dictatorship because they dont toe ur line?? China with all the facilities and ooen society is also bad? Seriously i have never seen bigger hypocrites.

 

[jamahir]

Oh no evil dictator Assad is gilling aour boor tzildrens! Halp Mergel halp!


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And of course @jamahir like you said,let's not forget the White Helmets

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Wonderful find, am bookmarking. And though the Pakistani scene and the Syrian soldiers capture scene were tragic I will be dishonest if I said that I didn't laugh at the captions.

 

[TNT]

You are amazed by Jamahir's support for Assad,however I am not amazed by your hate for Assad. Because I know you are one of those who believe the traditional islamist(not islamic,islamist) Sunni narration of "evil Assad,good freedom fighters

No am not, he is a commie, a muslim by name. I am amazed though, by u clutching at straws lolz he blames NATO, ur country is a member, he blames evil capitalist west, u r country is one of them. You have to agree with him just because u cant find support, that is hilarious. In one thread u support NATO and western propaganda, in other thread u oppose it. Make up ur mind.ur hatred for Turkey have made u dumb and blind and u keep contradicting urself.
Its useless to argue with jamahir who thinks libya under Gaddafi was an ideal democracy lolz.
He is a dumb indian, i have worked and lived with arabs, including syrians and Egyptians and i know before the uprising how they saw that autistic assad. You have no idea abt the sectarian and ethnic issues between muslims, there can be rare exceptions but they have a reason as well.

 

[jamahir]

No am not, he is a commie, a muslim by name.

And you are a stubborn ignorant / jaahil. I may have posted to you this but will so one last time. Below is a section from my thread from 2016 whose OP is by the Pakistani journalist Nadeem Paracha and is about Socialist and Communist activism among Muslims since the early 1900s :

During the same period (1920s-30s), another (though lesser known) Islamic scholar in undivided India got smitten by the 1917 Russian revolution and Marxism.

Hafiz Rahman Sihwarwl saw Islam and Marxism sharing five elements in common: (1) prohibition of the accumulation of wealth in the hands of the privileged classes (2) organisation of the economic structure of the state to ensure social welfare (3) equality of opportunity for all human beings (4) priority of collective social interest over individual privilege and (5) prevention of the permanentising of class structure through social revolution.

The motivations for many of these themes he drew from the Qur’an, which he understood as seeking to create an economic order in which the rich pay excessive, though voluntary taxes (Zakat) to minimise differences in living standards.

In the areas that Sihwarwl saw Islam and communism diverge were Islam’s sanction of private ownership within certain limits, and in its refusal to recognise an absolutely classless basis of society.

He suggested that Islam, with its prohibition of the accumulation of wealth, is able to control the class structure through equality of opportunity.

Basically, both Sindhi and Sihwarwl had stumbled upon an Islamic concept of the social democratic welfare state.

Building upon the initial thoughts of Sindhi and Sihwarwl were perhaps South Asia’s two most ardent and articulate supporters and theoreticians of Islamic Socilaism: Ghulam Ahmed Parvez and Dr. Khalifa Abdul Hakim.

Parvez was a prominent ‘Quranist’, or an Islamic scholar who insisted that for the Muslims to make progress in the modern world, Islamic thought and laws should be entirely based on the modern interpretations of the Qu’ran and on the complete rejection of the hadith (sayings of the Prophet and his companions based on hearsay and compiled over a 100 years after the Prophet’s demise).

After studying traditional Muslim texts, as well as Sufism, Parvez claimed that almost all hadiths were fabrications by those who wanted Islam to seem like an intolerant faith and by ancient Muslim kings who used these hadiths to give divine legitimacy to their tyrannical rules.

Parvez also insisted that Muslims should spend more time studying the modern sciences instead of wasting their energies on fighting out ancient sectarian conflicts or ignoring the true egalitarian and enlightening spirit of the Qu’ran by indulging in multiple rituals handed down to them by ancient ulema, clerics and compilers of the hadith.

Understandably, Parvez was right away attacked by conservative Islamic scholars and political outfits.

But this didn’t stop famous Muslim philosopher and poet, Muhammad Iqbal, to befriend the young scholar and then introduce him to the future founder of Pakistan, Muhammad Ali Jinnah.

Jinnah appointed Parvez to edit a magazine, Talu-e-Islam. It was set-up to propagate the creation of a separate Muslim country and to also answer the attacks that Jinnah’s All India Muslim League had begun to face from conservative Islamic parties and ulemawho accused the League of being a pseudo-Muslim organisation and Jinnah for being too westernised and ‘lacking correct Islamic behavior.’

Apart from continuing to author books and commentaries on the Qu’ran, Parvez wrote a series of articles in Talu-e-Islam that propagated a more socialistic view of the holy book.

In a series of essays for the magazine he used verses from the Qu’ran, incidents from the faith’s history and insights from the writings of Muhammad Iqbal to claim:

The clergy and conservative ulema have hijacked Islam.

They are agents of the rich people and promoters of uncontrolled Capitalism.

Socialism best enforces Qur’anic dictums on property, justice and distribution of wealth.

Islam’s main mission was the eradication of all injustices and cruelties from society. It was a socio-economic movement, and the Prophet was a leader seeking to put an end to the capitalist exploitation of the Quraysh merchants and the corrupt bureaucracy of Byzantium and Persia.

According to the Qur’an, Muslims have three main responsibilities: seeing, hearing and sensing through the agency of the mind. Consequently, real knowledge is based on empirically verifiable observation, or through the role of science.

Poverty is the punishment of God and deserved by those who ignore science.

In Muslim/Islamic societies, science, as well as agrarian reform should play leading roles in developing an industrialised economy.

A socialist path is a correction of the medieval distortion of Islam through Shari’a.

Parvez joined the government after the creation of Pakistan in 1947, but after Jinnah’s death in 1948, he was sidelined until he resigned from his post in 1956.

So these Islamic scholars who thought before you were even born knew more about Islam than you. You should read the OP there in entirety, it is long but do it, and then read the subsequent postings of the members. I can tell you a few more things outside of that thread.

i have worked and lived with arabs, including syrians and Egyptians and i know before the uprising how they saw that autistic assad.

1. And where was this ?

2. "Autistic" : Autistic Assad and Greta are infinitely more intelligent than you.

You have no idea abt the sectarian and ethnic issues between muslims, there can be rare exceptions but they have a reason as well.

Tell me then.

 

[Foinikas]

No am not, he is a commie, a muslim by name. I am amazed though, by u clutching at straws lolz he blames NATO, ur country is a member, he blames evil capitalist west, u r country is one of them. You have to agree with him just because u cant find support, that is hilarious. In one thread u support NATO and western propaganda, in other thread u oppose it. Make up ur mind.ur hatred for Turkey have made u dumb and blind and u keep contradicting urself.
Its useless to argue with jamahir who thinks libya under Gaddafi was an ideal democracy lolz.
He is a dumb indian, i have worked and lived with arabs, including syrians and Egyptians and i know before the uprising how they saw that autistic assad. You have no idea abt the sectarian and ethnic issues between muslims, there can be rare exceptions but they have a reason as well.

Your insults and bad language only worsen your position.

Wonderful find, am bookmarking. And though the Pakistani scene and the Syrian soldiers capture scene were tragic I will be dishonest if I said that I didn't laugh at the captions.

Oh there's more. Just to show you a tiny hint of the propaganda and lies used by the rebel side in the Syrian war.

Oh oh evil Assad gas beoble!

OH THEY ARE GILLING AOUR BOOR TZILDRENS! WHERE IS THE WORLD?

 

[jamahir]

Oh there's more. Just to show you a tiny hint of the propaganda and lies used by the rebel side in the Syrian war.

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But poor chicken.

 

[JackTheRipper]

Your İran ( Hashdi Shabi ) is working with USA ( PKK) in İraq
ASSAD Regime is flirting USA-İsrael backed YPG in Syria



Your lies and anti-ERDOGAN propaganda wont work

3 Turkish Military Operations blocked USA-İsrael plan to create PKK/YPG terror State in Syria

ERDOGAN saved and protect Syria's territorial integrity ....
ERDOGAN is blocking PKK and BARZANI to create free Kurdistan in İraq ....


İran backed terrorist groups Hashdi Shabi , IRGC , Houtsis , Hezbolah created chaos in İraq , Syria , Lebanon and Yemen

Erdogan want to create ottoman empire and want to be Sultan,
He want to capture others land,
Turkey, Saudi, Qatar, UAE are involved in terrorism in muslim countries,

And Iranis mullah are truly idiot, they are not able to fight Israel, US, they still threatening them and Erdogan also did same 1st with Russia, then US, now goes in FATF.

 

[jamahir]

Erdogan want to create ottoman empire and want to be Sultan,
He want to capture others land,
Turkey, Saudi, Qatar, UAE are involved in terrorism in muslim countries,

Absolutely !

And Iranis mullah are truly idiot, they are not able to fight Israel, US, they still threatening them

Well, though I dislike mullahs, even in Iran, they still did a great thing of being part of the allies of Assad's legitimate government in Syria and they didn't participate in the NATO+GCC+AQ+MB massacre / war crime / genocide in Libya.

 

[TNT]

And you are a stubborn ignorant / jaahil. I may have posted to you this but will so one last time. Below is a section from my thread from 2016 whose OP is by the Pakistani journalist Nadeem Paracha and is about Socialist and Communist activism among Muslims since the early 1900s :

So these Islamic scholars who thought before you were even born knew more about Islam than you. You should read the OP there in entirety, it is long but do it, and then read the subsequent postings of the members. I can tell you a few more things outside of that thread.



1. And where was this ?

2. "Autistic" : Autistic Assad and Greta are infinitely more intelligent than you.



Tell me then.

So ur talking abt nadeem eff paracha, a filthy rat who have been making fun of Islamic values and Pakistan, that stupid rat used to write for tribune and is a lgbt activist, we know very well such ugly idiots. So kindly bring something from credible people, not sold out rats.
Stubborn and jahil is the one who thinks libya under Gaddafi was an ideal democracy, i mean who can argue with such stupid ppl. Ive told u before, u r tai hai chen and u drag ppl down to ur stupidity level. U r delusional like most indians, even ur threads abt scientific stuff is hilarious and bordering fiction lolz. A typical jahil that passes judgement abt Quran while never bothered to study it, i doubt if uve studied anything beyond abstract.
Autistic assad is nothing more than a dumb spoiled brat who is chained by russia. In essence a puppy wiggling his tail to master putin.

Your insults and bad language only worsen your position.

See thats the propaganda of evil westerners, NATO is an evil western organization, as jamahir said.. u agree?? Now how can we believe propaganda of same westerners against Afghanistan or Pakistan or china??? Once a scumbag always a scumbag, correct???
I have not insulted u, its him calling NATO and westerners evil, im sure u can relate.

 

[jamahir]

Stubborn and jahil is the one who thinks libya under Gaddafi was an ideal democracy, i mean who can argue with such stupid ppl.

I have asked you before to do a logical reply about how wasn't the Libyan Jamahiriya an actual democracy taking into account the text about the Libyan system in practice I have already provided. Please do that instead of the same irrational one-line automatic rejection.