As Turkey Chafes at Erdogan, He Gets Spikier Abroad

[Battlion25]

Bhai did you see the purges after the coup? He's been sacking anyone he doesn't like for 5 years. Sometimes the excuse is participation in the coup and other times disrespect to the government. Newspapers, TV channels,journalists,twitter users.
Even now he jails people for "participation in the coup" or "conspiracy".

He's the big boss. The Sultan. He crushes opposition.

That is more like it ''A Sultan'' He would be grateful to hear that

But aside from jokes he had to deal with these coup elements whether it was real or not these folks had to go in order to stablize the power-ranking.. One person gaining absolute power at certain times is not bad for the said country meaning there won't be competiton for top spot bringing harmony but either way I backed him purging these who attempted on him and getting rid of them and Turkey has benefited alot from these purges

 

[Foinikas]

That is more like it ''A Sultan'' He would be grateful to hear that

But aside from jokes he had to deal with these coup elements whether it was real or not these folks had to go in order to stablize the power-ranking.. One person gaining absolute power at certain times is not bad for the said country meaning there won't be competiton for top spot bringing harmony but either way I backed him purging these who attempted on him and getting rid of them and Turkey has benefited alot from these purges

Dude...the numbers. The Coup was an excuse for Erdogan to kick anyone he didn't like.

 

[jamahir]

Erdogan ruled by winning election every time, obviously ur too dumb to understand this. Did assad win any real election? Before u claim fake election where assad gets 99℅ votes, erdogan barely got above 50℅. He even lost istanbul. So yeah he has legitimacy because he won all those election. Just like angela merkel won so many ekections and ruled for more than a decade.

A lot of criminals, genociders and war criminals in the world have existed through the system of elections. Should their crimes be ignored just because oh they won by a thumping majority ? The Anglo style of so-called democracy with political parties, a complicated political structure and four-yearly elections is not democracy but an illusion of democracy, actually an anti-democracy because when the candidate with majority vote wins the people voting for the losing candidates don't have a say in the running of the country until the next election comes around. Why are their rights taken away ? And in fact even the people whose candidate won by majority vote don't have a direct say in the running of the country. It is the PM or the president and his or her ministers who have the final say, not the citizens. How is any of this democratic ?

Real democracy is Direct Democracy where the citizens exist in a system that has no party and no four-yearly elections and they are able to directly influence the management of the country as to its internal needs and external relations, and have their ideas implemented. @Foinikas and @Apollon can say more on this but as per my understanding the word Democracy comes from the Greek word Demokratia which was a concept produced by the Greeks about 2500 years ago where the citizens would directly manage the running of society without any boss lording over them - a king in those days. But this Greek system was flawed because this political system prohibited women from participating and also maintained the slave system where also the slaves too couldn't participate. But such an idea was very good for a time when feudalism and monarchy existed. However in modern Libya in the 1970s, Gaddafi and co. brought out the system called Jamahiriya which was also a Direct Democracy system but where potentially every citizen could participate in the management of society - from neighborhood level to national level to the country's foreign relations and all this guided by progressive people. I will quote from a thread from 2015 :

Under Gaddafi’s unique system of direct democracy, traditional institutions of government were disbanded and abolished, and power belonged to the people directly through various committees and congresses.

Far from control being in the hands of one man, Libya was highly decentralized and divided into several small communities that were essentially “mini-autonomous States” within a State. These autonomous States had control over their districts and could make a range of decisions including how to allocate oil revenue and budgetary funds. Within these mini autonomous States, the three main bodies of Libya’s democracy were Local Committees, Basic People’s Congresses and Executive Revolutionary Councils.

The Basic People’s Congress (BPC), or Mu’tamar shaʿbi asāsi was essentially Libya’s functional equivalent of the House of Commons in the United Kingdom or the House of Representatives in the United States. However, Libya’s People’s Congress was not comprised merely of elected representatives who discussed and proposed legislation on behalf of the people; rather, the Congress allowed all Libyans to directly participate in this process. Eight hundred People’s Congresses were set up across the country and all Libyans were free to attend and shape national policy and make decisions over all major issues including budgets, education, industry, and the economy.

In 2009, Gaddafi invited the New York Times to Libya to spend two weeks observing the nation’s direct democracy. The New York Times, that has traditionally been highly critical of Colonel Gaddafi’s democratic experiment, conceded that in Libya, the intention was that

“everyone is involved in every decision…Tens of thousands of people take part in local committee meetings to discuss issues and vote on everything from foreign treaties to building schools.”

The fundamental difference between western democratic systems and the Libyan Jamahiriya’s direct democracy is that in Libya all citizens were allowed to voice their views directly – not in one parliament of only a few hundred wealthy politicians – but in hundreds of committees attended by tens of thousands of ordinary citizens. Far from being a military dictatorship, Libya under Mr. Gaddafi was Africa’s most prosperous democracy.

On numerous occasions Mr. Gaddafi’s proposals were rejected by popular vote during Congresses and the opposite was approved and enacted as legislation.

For instance, on many occasions Mr. Gaddafi proposed the abolition of capital punishment and he pushed for home schooling over traditional schools. However, the People’s Congresses wanted to maintain the death penalty and classic schools, and the will of the People’s Congresses prevailed. Similarly, in 2009, Colonel Gaddafi put forward a proposal to essentially abolish the central government altogether and give all the oil proceeds directly to each family. The People’s Congresses rejected this idea too.

For over four decades, Gaddafi promoted economic democracy and used the nationalized oil wealth to sustain progressive social welfare programs for all Libyans. Under Gaddafi’s rule, Libyans enjoyed not only free health-care and free education, but also free electricity and interest-free loans. Now thanks to NATO’s intervention the health-care sector is on the verge of collapse as thousands of Filipino health workers flee the country, institutions of higher education across the East of the country are shut down, and black outs are a common occurrence in once thriving Tripoli.

Unlike in the West, Libyans did not vote once every four years for a President and an invariably wealthy local parliamentarian who would then make all decisions for them. Ordinary Libyans made decisions regarding foreign, domestic and economic policy themselves.

So do you think a tyrant like Erdogan or a war criminal / genocider like Obomba would have gotten legitimacy ? Not, because the ideas of those two would have been discussed among the citizens and rejected by the masses. So the Libyan Jamahiriya wouldn't have armed international criminals and financed them and provided them with bases to sally out into Syria and genocide Syrians.

As to how the Jamahiriya concept is laid out in theory you can read this thread of mine. And from this page you can read as to the basis of the political and socio-economic systems of the Libyan Jamahiriya.

The Jamahiriya concept is truly the realization of the desire of Communism where the people rule themselves without a traditional government - the "Withering away of the State". However the Libyans didn't call their country as Communist but yes Gaddafi did write an essay titled something like "Has Communism arrived yet ?"

The Jamahiriya political system can be applied to any human society. You should desire for it for Pakistan, added with a progressive socio-economic system. These will remove the political and socio-economic wrongs, injustices and disparities there. In my thread that I have linked above you will find my proposal for a new socio-economic system that is almost Communist. Don't go by label, please read it and you will find it a progressive one.

Man life mist be so easy for dumb ppl like u. If MB was american stooges then why are americans and saudis paying billions to egypt? Why so mich weapons sold to egypt? Atleast do propaganda that requires some braincells. A si said, u commies and expored ppl witj dumb delusional and twisted logics.

Remember that love letter that Morsi wrote to Israel during his brief presidency ?

And I remember that when Sisi took leadership of Egypt there was a procession in his favor with his photo and some Libyans probably who carried photos of Gaddafi. What do you make of that ?

The same MB supporter erdogan is enemy of west, while syrian MB are pro west? Ur whole arguments are self defeating and twisted.

Who told you that Erdogan is an enemy of the Western governments ? What is he doing in Syria and Libya if not being in cahoots with NATO ? If he is what he says that let him turn around in Libya and support the Green Resistance, let him turn around in Syria and support the Syrian forces, the Russian and Iranian and Hezbollah forces.

 

[TNT]

And he still acts like a dictator. A lot of people like Erdogan in Turkey and a lot of people like Assad in Syria. The Muslim Brotherhood had been waiting to take revenge for decades.

Did u blame bush for acting like a dictator? Or tony blair? No because u ppl think u r the beacon of democracy that can never be wrong. Erdogan might not even win next election, while assad and sisi will remain there until death. Just because someone acts in national interest, doznt make them dictator. He listens to his ppl, not u.

 

[TNT]

A lot of criminals, genociders and war criminals in the world have existed through the system of elections. Should their crimes be ignored just because oh they won by a thumping majority ? The Anglo style of so-called democracy with political parties, a complicated political structure and four-yearly elections is not democracy but an illusion of democracy, actually an anti-democracy because when the candidate with majority vote wins the people voting for the losing candidates don't have a say in the running of the country until the next election comes around. Why are their rights taken away ? And in fact even the people whose candidate won by majority vote don't have a direct say in the running of the country. It is the PM or the president and his or her ministers who have the final say, not the citizens. How is any of this democratic ?

Real democracy is Direct Democracy where the citizens exist in a system that has no party and no four-yearly elections and they are able to directly influence the management of the country as to its internal needs and external relations, and have their ideas implemented. @Foinikas and @Apollon can say more on this but as per my understanding the word Democracy comes from the Greek word Demokratia which was a concept produced by the Greeks about 2500 years ago where the citizens would directly manage the running of society without any boss lording over them - a king in those days. But this Greek system was flawed because this political system prohibited women from participating and also maintained the slave system where also the slaves too couldn't participate. But such an idea was very good for a time when feudalism and monarchy existed. However in modern Libya in the 1970s, Gaddafi and co. brought out the system called Jamahiriya which was also a Direct Democracy system but where potentially every citizen could participate in the management of society - from neighborhood level to national level to the country's foreign relations and all this guided by progressive people. I will quote from a thread from 2015 :

So do you think a tyrant like Erdogan or a war criminal / genocider like Obomba would have gotten legitimacy ? Not, because the ideas of those two would have been discussed among the citizens and rejected by the masses. So the Libyan Jamahiriya wouldn't have armed international criminals and financed them and provided them with bases to sally out into Syria and genocide Syrians.

As to how the Jamahiriya concept is laid out in theory you can read this thread of mine. And from this page you can read as to the basis of the political and socio-economic systems of the Libyan Jamahiriya.

The Jamahiriya concept is truly the realization of the desire of Communism where the people rule themselves without a traditional government - the "Withering away of the State". However the Libyans didn't call their country as Communist but yes Gaddafi did write an essay titled something like "Has Communism arrived yet ?"

The Jamahiriya political system can be applied to any human society. You should desire for it for Pakistan, added with a progressive socio-economic system. These will remove the political and socio-economic wrongs, injustices and disparities there. In my thread that I have linked above you will find my proposal for a new socio-economic system that is almost Communist. Don't go by label, please read it and you will find it a progressive one.



Remember that love letter that Morsi wrote to Israel during his brief presidency ?

And I remember that when Sisi took leadership of Egypt there was a procession in his favor with his photo and some Libyans probably who carried photos of Gaddafi. What do you make of that ?



Who told you that Erdogan is an enemy of the Western governments ? What is he doing in Syria and Libya if not being in cahoots with NATO ? If he is what he says that let him turn around in Libya and support the Green Resistance, let him turn around in Syria and support the Syrian forces, the Russian and Iranian and Hezbollah forces.

U r talking about democracy andd giving examples of dictators, just wow. Seriously are u a lost brother of @tai hai chan? lolz seriously, stop using drugs.

 

[Foinikas]

Did u blame bush for acting like a dictator? Or tony blair? No because u ppl think u r the beacon of democracy that can never be wrong. Erdogan might not even win next election, while assad and sisi will remain there until death. Just because someone acts in national interest, doznt make them dictator. He listens to his ppl, not u.

There were big protests and dislike about Bush and Blair here back then. But even them didn't act erratic like Erdogan. They didn't start purges and they didn't jail thousands of their own people to stop opposition.

You Erdogan fanboys love him. Ok. I understand it. You think he made Turkey stronger. The last 10 years he destroyed Turkey's image with his foreign policy and the way he handles things in his country as well. Palaces,ambitious megaprojects and controversial statetements. Expansionist dreams and regional instability.

 

[jamahir]

U r talking about democracy andd giving examples of dictators, just wow. Seriously are u a lost brother of @tai hai chan? lolz seriously, stop using drugs.

Tai Hai Chen said COVID is like mild flu. Did I say that ?

NATO said Gaddafi was a dictator. Why do you using NATO's tongue ?

When Bliar went to meet Gaddafi in Libya in 2004 and spoke of West-Libya cooperation Gaddafi wasn't a dictator then ?

And the article I quoted speaks of the hostile New York Times who accepted that Libya was a democracy.

And I gave you a lengthy writing on what Democracy really is and isn't and how Libya was one. A true one. Yet you don't accept this.

If Libya under Gaddafi's guidance wasn't a democracy which country is ? India ? Pakistan ? USA ? Or the mullahcracy that NATO hope to install in Libya and Syria ?

 

[TNT]

There were big protests and dislike about Bush and Blair here back then. But even them didn't act erratic like Erdogan. They didn't start purges and they didn't jail thousands of their own people to stop opposition.

You Erdogan fanboys love him. Ok. I understand it. You think he made Turkey stronger. The last 10 years he destroyed Turkey's image with his foreign policy and the way he handles things in his country as well. Palaces,ambitious megaprojects and controversial statetements. Expansionist dreams and regional instability.

We have relationship with Turkey and its ppl, doesnt matter who is leading them. You hate him because he is going his own independent way. Protests happen in Turkey too, still bush killed hundreds of thousands. Internal stuff was due to coup, read history what ur bretheren have done after coups and then blame others.

Tai Hai Chen said COVID is like mild flu. Did I say that ?

NATO said Gaddafi was a dictator. Why do you using NATO's tongue ?

When Bliar went to meet Gaddafi in Libya in 2004 and spoke of West-Libya cooperation Gaddafi wasn't a dictator then ?

And the article I quoted speaks of the hostile New York Times who accepted that Libya was a democracy.

And I gave you a lengthy writing on what Democracy really is and isn't and how Libya was one. A true one. Yet you don't accept this.

If Libya under Gaddafi's guidance wasn't a democracy which country is ? India ? Pakistan ? USA ? Or the mullahcracy that NATO hope to install in Libya and Syria ?

I dont know ur stance om covid but u are twisted like him. First u call Turkey dictatorship and then call libya u der Gaddafi as democracy lolz. U call MB a western ouppet but then the west helped remove morsi and showered weapons and money on sissy. U then go on to use ny times, which previously u called as capitalist propaganda. Then u go on and produce ur own definition of democracy. Seriously, what drugs u use?

 

[Foinikas]

We have relationship with Turkey and its ppl, doesnt matter who is leading them. You hate him because he is going his own independent way. Protests happen in Turkey too, still bush killed hundreds of thousands. Internal stuff was due to coup, read history what ur bretheren have done after coups and then blame others.

That's the difference. You see him as a great leader,while everybody else sees him as a power-loving,warmongering man who destabilizes the entire region. Turkey is supposed to live in the 21st century and trying to lecture others about "human rights" and "justice",that's the purges are contrary to what Erdogan is saying. We don't live in the '70s where Zia or Papadopoulos have taken power. It's supposed to be the 21st century.

 

[TNT]

Tai Hai Chen said COVID is like mild flu. Did I say that ?

NATO said Gaddafi was a dictator. Why do you using NATO's tongue ?

When Bliar went to meet Gaddafi in Libya in 2004 and spoke of West-Libya cooperation Gaddafi wasn't a dictator then ?

And the article I quoted speaks of the hostile New York Times who accepted that Libya was a democracy.

And I gave you a lengthy writing on what Democracy really is and isn't and how Libya was one. A true one. Yet you don't accept this.

If Libya under Gaddafi's guidance wasn't a democracy which country is ? India ? Pakistan ? USA ? Or the mullahcracy that NATO hope to install in Libya and Syria ?

I dont know ur stance om covid but u are twisted like him. First u call Turkey dictatorship and then call libya u der Gaddafi as democracy lolz. U call MB a western ouppet but then the west helped remove morsi and showered weapons and money on sissy. U then go on to use ny times, which previously u called as capitalist propaganda. Then u go on and produce ur own definition of democracy. Seriously, what drugs u use?

That's the difference. You see him as a great leader,while everybody else sees him as a power-loving,warmongering man who destabilizes the entire region. Turkey is supposed to live in the 21st century and trying to lecture others about "human rights" and "justice",that's the purges are contrary to what Erdogan is saying. We don't live in the '70s where Zia or Papadopoulos have taken power. It's supposed to be the 21st century.

If there was a coup in Germany or UK tomorrow, they would deal with it as strictly. You have no idea what ur talking about. You ppl are hypocrites and u think others should follow what u think is right. Erdogan showed u the middle finger and that is why ur crying. If u care so much abt democracy and human rights then y r u buddies with sisi? Why buddies with monarchs like in UAE and saudi? U stupid hypocrites only point at those leaders that are not ur puppets. For too long we have seen ur dramas and we see through ur hypocrisy, so shout and jump as much as u like.

 

[Foinikas]

If there was a coup in Germany or UK tomorrow, they would deal with it as strictly. You have no idea what ur talking about. You ppl are hypocrites and u think others should follow what u think is right. Erdogan showed u the middle finger and that is why ur crying. If u care so much abt democracy and human rights then y r u buddies with sisi? Why buddies with monarchs like in UAE and saudi? U stupid hypocrites only point at those leaders that are not ur puppets. For too long we have seen ur dramas and we see through ur hypocrisy, so shout and jump as much as u like.

First of all,how possible is a coup in Germany or the UK now? Second,no they wouldn't treat it like that. Not even close.
Instead of calling everyone west of Turkey and east of Pakistan a "hypocrite",you should check your Erdogan fanboyism and realize he might not actually be the "benevolent" strong leader you think he is.

Sissi saved his country from the Muslim Brotherhood. From Erdogan's friend. Egypt is happy and not provoking anyone in the region. Sissi's Egypt is in fact a contributor of stability in the region.

Saudi Arabia,I don't like. I don't care about. UAE? It's a pretty nice country. There's no problem with the UAE.

I think you're the one who jumps and shouts.

 

[TNT]

First of all,how possible is a coup in Germany or the UK now? Second,no they wouldn't treat it like that. Not even close.
Instead of calling everyone west of Turkey and east of Pakistan a "hypocrite",you should check your Erdogan fanboyism and realize he might not actually be the "benevolent" strong leader you think he is.

Sissi saved his country from the Muslim Brotherhood. From Erdogan's friend. Egypt is happy and not provoking anyone in the region. Sissi's Egypt is in fact a contributor of stability in the region.

Saudi Arabia,I don't like. I don't care about. UAE? It's a pretty nice country. There's no problem with the UAE.

I think you're the one who jumps and shouts.

Lolz u just keep exposing ur hypocrisy. So a dictator is good as long as u ppl think he is good? UAE is nice because? It benefits u ppl? No human rights allegations? Its ok if they export terrorism and fund it? Sisi is also good because he is a western puppet, yeah ppl are happy as if uve done a survey. The same dictators in belarus are not good. Democratically elected erdogan is not good because he is not ur puppet. Do us a favor and stfu, ur hypocrisy is too evident. Im not a erdogan fanboy but i am a Turkish supporter and support their efforts to not be puppets of the west. I bet if there is an anti west dictator in egyp, u all would start jumping and shouting. Heck it did happen, suppprt sadam then rwmove him, support Gaddafi then remove him.

 

[Foinikas]

Lolz u just keep exposing ur hypocrisy. So a dictator is good as long as u ppl think he is good? UAE is nice because? It benefits u ppl? No human rights allegations? Its ok if they export terrorism and fund it? Sisi is also good because he is a western puppet, yeah ppl are happy as if uve done a survey. The same dictators in belarus are not good. Democratically elected erdogan is not good because he is not ur puppet. Do us a favor and stfu, ur hypocrisy is too evident. Im not a erdogan fanboy but i am a Turkish supporter and support their efforts to not be puppets of the west. I bet if there is an anti west dictator in egyp, u all would start jumping and shouting. Heck it did happen, suppprt sadam then rwmove him, support Gaddafi then remove him.

Who the f exports terrorism and funds it? Oh wait,Erdogan. Erdogan does it.

Don't forget that Erdogan cooperates with Lukashenko,boy. You mentioned Lukashenko,who's cooperating with him to send thousands of immigrants and refugees to Belarus? Oh wait,Erdogan!

Democratically elected Erdogan is not good because he is a megalomaniac corrupt leader who destabilizes the whole region and has an expansionist agenda. You say you're not a fanboy,yet all you do is support Erdogan and whatever he does. Like when you said you don't care about Greece vs Turkey and you are neutral,but heavily supported Turkey in everything. It's ridiculous. At least have the balls to openly support a country or ideology before you say "oh oh you people are hypocrites oh oh I'm not really a fanboy no I don't care".

Turkmenistan has a megalomaniac weirdo ruling it. You know why nobody cares? Because Turkmenistan has a strict neutral policy and doesn't get involved in anything outside its borders. You know why Erdogan gets criticized? Because he f*cks up the entire region and does whatever he wants without taking in mind others. And because he acts like a boss,not a democratically elected leader. He doesn't like someone? Who,well look,the newspaper's gone. What's that? Northern Cyprus' government not that good? I'll change it. Is that guy actually saying I'm not handling the economy well? To jail,he's a traitor. Did this guy protest about rights? To jail,he's a FETO terrorist. Is that Kurd asking questions? Arrest him,he's PKK. Is that guy questioning my son-in-law's dealings? Sue him,he is insulting the head of State.

In your mind,everyone who serves his country is a "western puppet",unless he is some kind of a Muslim Brotherhood or conservative muslim. What do you have to say about Nasser?

 

[TNT]

Who the f exports terrorism and funds it? Oh wait,Erdogan. Erdogan does it.

Don't forget that Erdogan cooperates with Lukashenko,boy. You mentioned Lukashenko,who's cooperating with him to send thousands of immigrants and refugees to Belarus? Oh wait,Erdogan!

Democratically elected Erdogan is not good because he is a megalomaniac corrupt leader who destabilizes the whole region and has an expansionist agenda. You say you're not a fanboy,yet all you do is support Erdogan and whatever he does. Like when you said you don't care about Greece vs Turkey and you are neutral,but heavily supported Turkey in everything. It's ridiculous. At least have the balls to openly support a country or ideology before you say "oh oh you people are hypocrites oh oh I'm not really a fanboy no I don't care".

Turkmenistan has a megalomaniac weirdo ruling it. You know why nobody cares? Because Turkmenistan has a strict neutral policy and doesn't get involved in anything outside its borders. You know why Erdogan gets criticized? Because he f*cks up the entire region and does whatever he wants without taking in mind others. And because he acts like a boss,not a democratically elected leader. He doesn't like someone? Who,well look,the newspaper's gone. What's that? Northern Cyprus' government not that good? I'll change it. Is that guy actually saying I'm not handling the economy well? To jail,he's a traitor. Did this guy protest about rights? To jail,he's a FETO terrorist. Is that Kurd asking questions? Arrest him,he's PKK. Is that guy questioning my son-in-law's dealings? Sue him,he is insulting the head of State.

In your mind,everyone who serves his country is a "western puppet",unless he is some kind of a Muslim Brotherhood or conservative muslim. What do you have to say about Nasser?

Do u know what the arabs do? The UAE ruler chained his own daughter. U look at the ruler in the eye, they take it out. You criticise me? Kill him in a foreign country n cut his body into pieces and then dissolve it in acid. But no no they are good dictators and monarchs because they serve mr pig and if mr pig is happy then dictator is good. But if mr pig is not happy then no matter if u r elected 5 times, u r a dictator and u r a terrorist supporter.
The ME sheikhs fund the most religious schools around the world, fund wahabism and hardline Islam but hey who said they fund terrorism? Mr pig is happy so they get all weapons and all cooperation. Only bad dictators are those that are against mr pig.
Talking abt human rights, there is a child killer state, that openly takes land frequently, openly kills children but dont look that way, they r peaceful and not expansionist, they can get billions of aid as well because they r puppets of mr. Pig.
I said i am suppoter of Turkey, r u dumb to not understand that? I even said we would take Turkey over any western country anyday, greece is a small insignificant nobody, the game is way above ur head.
You think u can come here with ur stupid propaganda? We can shove it up ur hypocrite ***, this is not ur western stupid audience.
Muslim brotherhood have always been a political force, they have a branch in Pakistan too and u know why the sheikhs and dictators hate it? Because they talk of democracy and rule of ppl in dictatorships but hypocrites support dictators because dictators are better puppets. Muslim brotherhood throughout history have never been associated with terrorism or use of force, instead they rely on mass support. Yet they scare mr pig because if MB type parties come in power then those countries will no more be puppets.

 

[Foinikas]

Do u know what the arabs do? The UAE ruler chained his own daughter. U look at the ruler in the eye, they take it out. You criticise me? Kill him in a foreign country n cut his body into pieces and then dissolve it in acid.

You're talking about Gulf monarchies. Erdogan is supposed to be an elected leader of a supposedly democratic country of the modern world.

The ME sheikhs fund the most religious schools around the world, fund wahabism and hardline Islam but hey who said they fund terrorism?

Saudi Arabia and Qatar mostly but also some from Kuwait and Bahrain. And guess who else helps them? Erdogan. Turkey's role in funding,arming and protecting salafi and hardcore sunni groups in Syria is very big. Also transporting jihadis from Libya to Syria,then Syria to Libya and then from both to Azerbaijan.

I said i am suppoter of Turkey, r u dumb to not understand that? I even said we would take Turkey over any western country anyday, greece is a small insignificant nobody, the game is way above ur head.

You had said at some point that you "don't really care". And that you didn't support either side. Back in a Cyprus thread and elsewhere.
It's normal that you as a Pakistani support Turkey,but ffs it's illogical to put them over Pakistan like some people do in this forum.

You think u can come here with ur stupid propaganda? We can shove it up ur hypocrite ***, this is not ur western stupid audience.
Muslim brotherhood have always been a political force, they have a branch in Pakistan too and u know why the sheikhs and dictators hate it? Because they talk of democracy and rule of ppl in dictatorships but hypocrites support dictators because dictators are better puppets.

Why are you so upset? Is it because you are a Muslim Brotherhood fan? You support them? That would explain your Erdogan fanboyism and Hamas love

Muslim brotherhood throughout history have never been associated with terrorism or use of force, instead they rely on mass support. Yet they scare mr pig because if MB type parties come in power then those countries will no more be puppets.

Lol. Just lol.