As Iraq's Kurds eye statehood, a border takes shape

[EgyptianAmerican]

This is the best opportunity for the khurds to establish their long awaited state.
I say grab it with both hands

How about don't grab it, the only thing that will do is cause a full blown out war with the Iraqi government. Maybe Iran will join in that war for the heck of it.

 

[Malik Alashter]

Well, the current useless illegitimate regime that is composed of many, many traitors that fought against Iraq and Iraqis alongside the cancerous Wilayat al-Faqih Mullah's

You are steaming on our government obviously for sectarian reasons other wise your sectarian regime in Ryadh is honestly the real failure one with all the money and the country has millions of people with no houses
with all the support you got from the US and your regime all they could do kill thousands of kids of Yemen
while the country in a war with oil prices going down and your reserve depleting and your priest
al shaikh asking people to donate in all that your corrupted princes buying yakhts that costing half a billion you are corrupted to the bone yet you talk about corruptions some where else.

 

[KediKesenFare3]

Ironically, it all depends on Turkey's position. We all know that Iran only supports the Kurds in Iraq against Daesh but at the same time they are absolutely in favor of Iraq's territorial unity. Tehran will continue backing the Shia-led central government in Baghdad whatever happens.

But Barzani has a very good relationship with Erdogan.

Because he (Barzani) is a conservative and anti-PKK Muslim Kurdish nationalist. He even handed over PKK terrorists to Turkey. It is an open secret that PKK would fight Barzani's leadership after DEASH is defeated.

Last week, in North Syria, PYD/YPG together with PKK arrested hundreds of pro-Barzani Kurds in Syria. The situation is very complicated.

PKK should leave Iraqi Kurdistan, says Barzani leadership
http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/pkk-should-leave-iraqi-kurdistan-says-barzani-leadership-197966202

So, yeah, it sounds ridiculous at first but Turkey could support a Kurdish independence if Baghdad doesn't stop its diplomatic diatribe against Ankara.

 

[EgyptianAmerican]

Ironically, it all depends on Turkey's position. We all know that Iran only supports the Kurds in Iraq against Daesh but at the same time they are absolutely in favor of Iraq's territorial unity. Tehran will continue backing the Shia-led central government in Baghdad whatever happens.

But Barzani has a very good relationship with Erdogan.

Because he (Barzani) is a conservative and anti-PKK Muslim Kurdish nationalist. He even handed over PKK terrorists to Turkey. It is an open secret that PKK would fight Barzani's leadership after DEASH is defeated.

Last week, in North Syria, PYD/YPG together with PKK arrested hundreds of pro-Barzani Kurds in Syria. The situation is very complicated.

PKK should leave Iraqi Kurdistan, says Barzani leadership
http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/pkk-should-leave-iraqi-kurdistan-says-barzani-leadership-197966202

So, yeah, it sounds ridiculous at first but Turkey could support a Kurdish independence if Baghdad doesn't stop its diplomatic diatribe against Ankara.

Well, that certainly tips the scales in Iraqi Kurds favors although Iran will still back the Iraqi government.

 

[GiannKall]

Iraqi Kurdistan is bankrupt and Peshmerga are payed by US which leads to the inevitable corruption and other issues. An independent Kurdistan will not happen

 

[Malik Alashter]

23 billions for m-16 and at-4

who can believe in such crab!!!.

23 billion should get at least 120 f-16 with all the things considered 1200 abrams hundreds of spgs 24 apaches that 24 billions can bring not this.

According to the fact sheet, the United States has already provided Iraq’s security forces over 1,200 military vehicles, approximately 20,000 smalls arms and heavy weapons, 2,000 additional AT-4 anti-tank weapons and nearly 300 counter improvised explosive device equipment and more than 2,000 Iraqi Kurdish Forces received U.S. military training

 

[Serpentine]

So, yeah, it sounds ridiculous at first but Turkey could support a Kurdish independence if Baghdad doesn't stop its diplomatic diatribe against Ankara.

When you live in a glass house, you won't throw stones. You can't play Kurdistan independence against Iraq and don't suffer from its blowback. You already are fighting inside your cities with PKK, and trying to blackmail Iraq with Kurdish issue will only be more trouble for you. Also, Iran supports territorial integrity of Iraq and will do anything to keep it that way. Kurd's best interest is to stay with Iraq, try to build an economy by cooperating with neighbors, while an independent Kurdish state hostile to 2 of its 3 neighbors is doomed to fail.

 

[Malik Alashter]

Ironically, it all depends on Turkey's position. We all know that Iran only supports the Kurds in Iraq against Daesh but at the same time they are absolutely in favor of Iraq's territorial unity. Tehran will continue backing the Shia-led central government in Baghdad whatever happens.

But Barzani has a very good relationship with Erdogan.

Because he (Barzani) is a conservative and anti-PKK Muslim Kurdish nationalist. He even handed over PKK terrorists to Turkey. It is an open secret that PKK would fight Barzani's leadership after DEASH is defeated.

Last week, in North Syria, PYD/YPG together with PKK arrested hundreds of pro-Barzani Kurds in Syria. The situation is very complicated.

PKK should leave Iraqi Kurdistan, says Barzani leadership
http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/pkk-should-leave-iraqi-kurdistan-says-barzani-leadership-197966202

So, yeah, it sounds ridiculous at first but Turkey could support a Kurdish independence if Baghdad doesn't stop its diplomatic diatribe against Ankara.

Hey we have a thick stick for you and your tarzani when ever you like it will hit hard and painfully.

 

[KediKesenFare3]

Well, that certainly tips the scales in Iraqi Kurds favors although Iran will still back the Iraqi government.

It is even more complicated. We should not forget that Peshmerga isn't one single organization. In fact, there are two main Peshmerga groups. One group is controlled by Barzani [KDP] and the other group is controlled by Talabani [PUK].

Basically, the Peshmerga forces are divided. There is no unity among Kurds because they are too different. As long as they have an external enemy, there is everything fine.

 

[Glass]

Some Kurdish groups of course dream of a "Greater Kurdistan" composed of these territories.

Lel Gaziantep and Hatay kurdish. both have like 5-10% kurds

 

[f1000n]

23 billion $ are US expenses on its own military forces in Iraq as well as contractors hired by the US department of defense, not aid to Iraq despite what articles claim. US military aid to Iraq in the form of equipment is far from reaching billions, the most expensive American arms wielded by Iraq are Abrams tanks, F-16's and radars which were paid for.

If Iraq truly received $ 23 billion of US military aid then we'd have over modern 100 fighter jets and hundreds of more Abrams tanks. US spent a lot on airbases and army bases in Iraq as well as the big embassy which I don't know why they made that big as if they were going to make Baghdad their regional operations center.

 

[Kambojaric]

Lel Gaziantep and Hatay kurdish. both have like 5-10% kurds

I have seen a map in which they draw their territory all the way down to Kuwait and the Gulf

 

[KediKesenFare3]

When you live in a glass house, you won't throw stones. You can't play Kurdistan independence against Iraq and don't suffer from its blowback. You already are fighting inside your cities with PKK, and trying to blackmail Iraq with Kurdish issue will only be more trouble for you. Also, Iran supports territorial integrity of Iraq and will do anything to keep it that way. Kurd's best interest is to stay with Iraq, try to build an economy by cooperating with neighbors, while an independent Kurdish state hostile to 2 of its 3 neighbors is doomed to fail.

You don't get it. By supporting conservative, Sunni and pro-Turkish groups among the Kurdish population we have the opportunity to fight back PKK in Turkey and within the separatist Kurdish ideological frame abroad.

It is a simple calculation. If we support Barzani, what does we get in return? Oil, gaz, weaker PKK, delimited Iranian influence. This debate is very advanced in the Turkish society. Some are even ready to accept a pro-Barzani Kurdistan (North Iraq) within the borders of Turkey with extensive self-government rights.

To tell the true, it is not in our interest to make such a farreaching step at this moment. But, who knows, the hole situation could change even tomorrow. And, no, Iran won't fight Turkey. In fact, Tehran couldn't do anything in this case. You may handle the Kurdish terror groups in Iran so far but this is Turkey we are talking about. You won't be able to fight the Kurds, contain the Turkish-Azeri irredentism, kill the Balouch movement, stand up against GCC members and handle Israeli/US interventions and support Shias abroad at the very same time.

Why do you think Turkey has a large base in North Iraq? Why do you think they are training Peshmergas, Shia Turkmens and Sunni Arabs?

 

[Glass]

Some are even ready to accept a pro-Barzani Kurdistan (North Iraq) within the borders of Turkey with extensive self-government rights.

nope

 

[f1000n]

You don't get it. By supporting conservative, Sunni and pro-Turkish groups among the Kurdish population we have the opportunity to fight back PKK in Turkey and within the separatist Kurdish ideological frame abroad.

It is a simple calculation. If we support Barzani, what does we get in return? Oil, gaz, weaker PKK, delimited Iranian influence. This debate is very advanced in the Turkish society. Some are even ready to accept a pro-Barzani Kurdistan (North Iraq) within the borders of Turkey with extensive self-government rights.

To tell the true, it is not in our interest to make such a farreaching step at this moment. But, who knows, the hole situation could change even tomorrow. And, no, Iran won't fight Turkey. In fact, Tehran couldn't do anything in this case. You may handle the Kurdish terror groups in Iran so far but this is Turkey we are talking about. You won't be able to fight the Kurds, contain the Turkish-Azeri irredentism, kill the Balouch movement, stand up against GCC members and handle Israeli/US interventions and support Shias abroad at the very same time.

Why do you think Turkey has a large base in North Iraq? Why do you think they are training Peshmergas, Shia Turkmens and Sunni Arabs?

Overestimating Turkey's influence in this case, Turkey doesn't have much to say about this.