Artillery Discussions

[Penguin]

Thanks for your information but it's not answer

Angel of fire increases range.
Who wants shot further ranges he must calculate angle.

But my question is different

What if we shot from 50meters on wall or building by hydra rocket or 107mm art rocket?

Another example grad rokets they have also 1000 meter minimum range.
What if 122mm grad shot buildings on 200meters?
Rocket warhead detonation mechanism wouldn't fire?

As the graph indicates, you get to very short distances either by DIRECT fire (flat trajectory) or by extreme angle (i.e.fire near vertical and attack from above). Note that artillery rockets like the ones you mention have typically been unguided (a laser guided Hydra is something of recent years). Unguided artillery rockets tend to be far less accurate than traditional artillery, designed as they are to lay down a large volume of fire over a larger area in a short time.

At very short range, high angle fire risk hitting yourself or friendlies. Direct fire i.e. using a flat trajectory, requires a round that is fires at higher velocity and either spin or fin stabilized. Again, poor accuracy.

Rocket artillery -particularly with guided rockets- may also be called upon to compensate for survivability issues of mortars and weight and cost of system issues of self-propelled howitzers. 122 mm rocket launchers on tripod exist; they were meant for guerillas. Lightweight MRLs can use a SUV or 2 ton lorry as vehicle, and still easily substitute for a 120 mm mortar in range and effect, save for short range or mountainous terrain shots (that would require an expensive guidance to bend the rocket's trajectory). Guided munitions might still be tracked by opposing forces' counter-artillery/mortar radars, but the extrapolation of the shot's origin would be unreliable because of the trajectory manipulation by the guidance. This can be used by guided mortar rounds as well, but mortars fire in the upper elevation group (above 45°), so their projectiles have little time to fake their origin compared to a rocket fired at low elevation.

https://defense-and-freedom.blogspot.nl/2015_03_01_archive.html

If you don't care about inflicting massive collateral damage, and sacrifice range and accuracy for fire power, great weapon.
http://brown-moses.blogspot.nl/2013/11/the-syrian-national-defence-forces-most.html

 

[UkroTurk]

Thank you.
@Penguin
Your link totaly satisfied me.
We see in Ukraine 122mm Grad-Partizan pods very closely.
Yes 122mm rocket has big warhead.

I was interested about 107mm rockets lighter and smarter than Grad.

I understood that 107mm can be use for directfire from Armoured Vehicle. It is cheap and smart forepower.

What's interesting about this is the launch tube is horizontal to the ground, suggesting it's being used for direct fire, not indirect fire, as in Iraq

Source: https://defence.pk/threads/syrian-c...id-not-allowed.333727/page-1177#ixzz4JJRZYrnH
http://brown-moses.blogspot.nl/2013/11/the-syrian-national-defence-forces-most.html


"The Iraqi IRAM was purpose-built for one thing: popping over T-walls and Hesco barriers at short ranges that prevented interception by C-RAM and creating mass casualties on-target."


This weapon was used by Hezbollah forces in Qusayr. He described them as 107mm rockets fitted to something with a higher payload, with the 107mm propelling everything. He said the max range on these was about 1 km, but most of the time they were simply fired across the street horizontally at extremely close range. By his description, one of these could do significant damage to a small house. He said that these rockets really helped Hezbollah shift the tide in parts of that front-line.

 

[Penguin]

107mm artillery rocket with the warhead removed and replaced with a much larger DIY warhead with a simple impact fuze.

"The Iraqi IRAM was purpose-built for one thing: popping over T-walls and Hesco barriers at short ranges that prevented interception by C-RAM and creating mass casualties on-target."

Most of the time they were simply fired across the street horizontally at extremely close range. By his description, one of these could do significant damage to a small house. These munitions are being used for devastating effect against occupied buildings only hundreds of feet away from the launch site.

The enemy was applying a scorched earth policy by firing Iranian vacuum bombs, which caused whole building to fall down.

In effect, this is a demolition charge. For 'no holds barred' urban combat.

Much like the old WW2 era German Wurfrahmen

Wurfkorper 28cm (there ware also 30cm and 32 cm rockets)

28/32 cm Wurfrahmen 40

32 cm Wurfkörper M. Fl. 50: 32 cm Rocket Projectile (Incendiary)

Wurfgerat 28 (28/32 cm Nebelwerfer 41)

Wurfgerat 40 on SdKfz 251 aka 'Stuka zo Fuss' (Stuka on foot)

A 'vacuum bomb' refers to a thermobaric weapon, which is a type of explosive that utilizes oxygen from the surrounding air to generate an intense, high-temperature explosion, and in practice the blast wave typically produced by such a weapon is of a significantly longer duration than a conventional condensed explosive. The fuel-air explosive is one of the most well-known types of thermobaric weapons.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermobaric_weapon

 

[UkroTurk]

Thats why TOS-1 great platform. 24 pieces 200kg thermobaric warhead could be delivered to 3500meters.

TOS rockets sucriface range but they have totally lethal warhead.

Thermobaric materials are still unknown for a lot of country.
For example gasoline blast is not as same as methylene with some oxiders.
Thermobaric warhead probably made from methylene with aluminium powder.
I wish Turkish Roketsan or MKEK researched but we haven't info yet.

 

[Penguin]

ISIS is losing territory on all fronts — here's what the group leaves behind

• David Choi
• Sep. 4, 2016, 3:00 PM

A member of the Iraqi counterterrorism force stands by an ISIS factory in Fallujah.

http://uk.businessinsider.com/items...erses-in-the-historic-city-of-palmyra-syria-1

 

[T-55]

Fake artillery position,World War I.

http://477768.livejournal.com/4305262.html

 

[Georg]

love this one the old phased out LARS Rocket Artillery System of the Bw... the video shows the final firemission
Today only one LARS System is still in use at the research center in Meppen

 

[Penguin]

tri-national (FRG/UK/ITA) RS-80 PROTOTYPE : long 280 mm rockets out to well beyond 40 km
On Leo-1 chassis. Concept forefather of MRLS

http://defense-and-freedom.blogspot.nl/2015/03/battlefield-missile-artillery-from_15.html

 

[Bogeyman]

Lockheed Martin announced that it has successfully tested the 240 km range missile for HIMARS MLRS rockets. Their goal is to reach 500 km range.